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Lance


Rattie
Rattie
12/31/2009 2:17 AM RE: Seizures with Ratties  
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allnew2me


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
12/12/2011 8:22 AM RE: Seizures with Ratties  
My rattie hasn't had any problems with seizures, but I have a border collie who used to have mild ones. (A fairly common problem with the breed.) I did some research into herbal therapy, and found that there is a lot of support for a holistic approach to preventing them. He hasn't had one in a long time, and I don't know if that's because of his diet or not. I switched him to grain-free kibble, interspersed with raw feedings. He was always an itchy dog, and since he's been eating healthier, that's changed for the better too.

Sometimes a dog will have one seizure, and then it'll never happen again. There are a number of things that can cause it.

"If you don't own a dog, at least one, there is not necessarily anything wrong with you, but there may be something wrong with your life.” (Roger Caras)

Shirley -- Jubal's mom-person
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Peekapuppy


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
12/12/2011 8:26 AM RE: Seizures with Ratties  
Welcom SnowCajun!
The first "wheezeing" episode is probably "reverse sneezing" which is common and benign in small breed dogs. It is unrelated to seizures though.
While epilepsy is something that can happen to any dog breed, some are more susceptible, and luckily rat terriers aren't in that group. That said, I had a German Shepard (which is common in that breed), with epilepsy, and I know how you feel, it is frightening to see it happen the first time.
Listen to your vet, some dogs have one or two seizures, and then never have another, some have them infrequently and don't need medication. Keep a little note sheet on them if she has another. If they start becoming more frequent, the vet will prescribe a drug (most likely phenobarbital, it's not expensive) to control them.
Unfortunately for my dog, she went from having a seizure on a Friday evening, to having them every 2 hours by Monday morning, and was then placed on phenobarb, which she took for 8 years, and lived to a ripe old age for at GSD.
Since you went to EMT training, you basically know what to do during a seizure, move objects away that could injure the dog, don't try to pull out their tongue, or even put anything near their mouth. After the seizure is over, the dog will seem not aware, breathe raggedly, and their gums may be slightly blue, which will resolve quickly. They will often "reorient" themselves by walking the perimeter of the room or yard a few times. Some dogs lose control of bladder and/or bowels during the seizure.

Ratties are special little blessings, and ours sleep between us in the bed too. Hope that that was a one time even, and she is well and happy with you. Overworrying, heck no, we all do that. My hubby wants me to "call the vet" if their belly gurgles.
BTW, we LOVE pictures, so feel free to post some of your sweetie!

Bobbi
Mom to Lacey and Pokey
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rattagan's mom


Pack Leader
Pack Leader
12/12/2011 9:16 AM RE: Seizures with Ratties  
Welcome to Rattie Land, though I hate you had to find us under such frightening circumstances. We have 4 ratties and none of them has ever had seizures. But it does happen on occasion. You've received some great advice which I can't add to not having experience with this. I wish you and your little one well and no you are not over worrying, we all do that over the least thing. I panic if they start to limp just the least little bit all because of my Rattagan who had to have 2 leg surgeries with LP and torn ACL. He did well and lived to be 14 years before he went to the Rainbow Bridge. Let them wheeze and both my husband and I are right there. Jack has choked on treats before and I've had to stick my fingers down his throat or do the doggie Heimlich maneuver. Fortunately it always works so far. One day he choked on one, fell over with his legs straight out, scared me silly. I grabbed him up stuck my fingers in his throat but he still wasn't moving, I did the Hiemlich and got it out, but I thought for sure I had lost him. Please let us know how things are with your "baby" and what the vet says if you take her in. Oh and our 4 sleep in the bed with us too. Thank goodness for a Cal. King bed....

Janie, Mom to the Palm Bay Rat Pack
Rest in peace our darling Girl Baby, Cameo Nora 10/24/07-11/06/09
Rest in peace Cutter Bug Gotcha 8/2/08 Died 11/17/09
Rest in Peace Rattagan Lee 2/16/1997-3/29/11 Rest in Peace Jack Goodboy 11/27/00-11/2/14
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ShellyeJo


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/12/2011 10:32 AM RE: Seizures with Ratties  
I'm sorry you found us under such scary circumstances. I can only imagine how frightening it was to see your baby having a seizure. Hopefully it will be an isolate incident. You've gotten great advice from Janie, Bobbi, and Shirley so I don't have anything to add.
Please stick around and let us know how your little girl is doing. There is a lot of great information and support here.

Mom to Tucker (Rattie/Chi), Maddy (Rattie), & Jackson (Ridgeback Mix)
RIP Lucky (Chi) 06.04.10
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SnowCajun


Newbie
Newbie
12/13/2011 2:34 PM RE: Seizures with Ratties  
I want to thank you all for your responses, I guess any animal lover understands the depth of love we have for these little things that follow us around in our world and demand so much of our attention. They are true blessings to us.

Our little Rat is named Peevie, she got her name because we wanted her name to be unique, the shelter had named her Trixie but she didn't look like a Trixie to me, if that makes sense. We watched her play for a few hours and realized she was truly full of, well as the old saying goes, maybe I can't say it here exactly, but "full of pee and vinegar" .. so we thought, "PV", but didn't like the initials, so lengthened it to "Peevie."

Her tail was never cropped, which we're happy about, we like to see that long tail wagging. Leslie and I are both disabled and Peevie has been trained, and is in perpetual training, as a service dog for us. Our last service dog was a Black Lab whom we miss with all our hearts. She had to be put down in our kitchen and we had her cremated, she'll be mixed with our ashes when we go, she was as much a part of our hearts as any human could have been. As for Peevie, there's not been another seizure thank God, the vet told us virtually what most have told us here, make note of when they happen, the length, and what she was doing before they start, and if they become too frequent to bring her in for epilepsy tests. I pray for no more, they are awful to watch.

I've got this forum bookmarked, I love it, I had my first Rat Terrier when I as eleven years old, back in 1963, a little male I named Spot .. real creative name huh? LOL I always wanted another and we just happened to stop into this animal shelter run by a vet just 30 minutes after someone dropped off this one and we wasted no time snatching her up. We live in apartments, but the amazing thing is she doesn't bark, we got lucky on that, she was five months old and it didn't take but a couple of days to house train her. Ratties are smart little things for sure. I'm not sure how to display a picture but I'll copy over a link, hopefully you can click on it to see her, we took this the day we got her at the vet, she was five months old then. If it's not clickable then copy it over to your url bar. Thanks again everyone.

http://home.comcast.net/~snowcajun/peevieforum.jpg
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allnew2me


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
12/13/2011 9:33 PM RE: Seizures with Ratties  
What a pretty girl. I love that picture. She's so shiny!

Jubal is my first rat terrorist. It's been a ride, learning about the breed first hand ...especially after years of having herding breeds. I don't know what I'd have done without this site.

"If you don't own a dog, at least one, there is not necessarily anything wrong with you, but there may be something wrong with your life.” (Roger Caras)

Shirley -- Jubal's mom-person
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ShellyeJo


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/13/2011 9:34 PM RE: Seizures with Ratties  
Peevie is very cute and looks like she lives up to her name! I'm glad to hear there hasn't been another seizure. These ratties are truly amazing little dogs. I don't know what I'd do without mine.

Mom to Tucker (Rattie/Chi), Maddy (Rattie), & Jackson (Ridgeback Mix)
RIP Lucky (Chi) 06.04.10
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Philo


Feisty
Feisty
12/16/2011 9:19 AM RE: Seizures with Ratties  

Welcome Peevie and family, she's a pretty little girl.  I think Janie blocked the memories of Kiara's two episodes.  The first, probably caused by something she ingested, left Kiara at the EVet overnight with horrible scares in both of us and I was out of town that night.  A few weeks later she had another, much milder episode, but was still very scary.  Nothing since then, but the slightest unusual behavior puts us on alert immediately.

This little guys and gals have a way of getting into one's heart quickly and deeply.  Our Briar Rose has taken the role of daddy's girl and is rarely away from me during the night, almost always touching me some way until the sun comes up and she's off chasing things outside.

Hopefully Peevie's seizure was an isolated incident.


Rattie Daddy to Kiara Rose, Briar Rose, Nala Belle & Woody
Rest in peace sweet Girl Baby Cameo Nora 10/24/07-11/06/09 ~ Jack Goodboy 11/27/00-11/02/2014
Rest in peace Little Master Cutter Bug With us from Aug 2, 08 to Nov 17, 09 ~ Rest in Peace Rattagan Lee 2/16/1997-3/29/2011

"Beauty such as this is a gift, and I'm often in awe of this world we've been given." Mrs Bonnie
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syalston@comcast.net


Newbie
Newbie
01/13/2012 10:58 PM RE: Seizures with Ratties  

Hello.  I'm also new to the site and found your post about your rat terrier's seizure.  I hope that she is doing better and it was just a one-time event.  I also have a female rattie named Ruby that just turned three this month and has been having seizures for about a year now.  She has had as many as two in a single day, and as far apart as 3 to 4 weeks from the last occurence.  She is one of a litter of 4 pups who have not had any incidents of seizure according to to their owner (all three are with a single owner), however, I have learned that the father of the litter has experience some seizsures.  We have seen the veteranian and I keep a record of each incident so that the frequency can be tracked.  If the occurences are too close together we may start medication, but in the meantime I have tried to make some dietary changes by reducing the amount of artificial ingredients and fillers in her food and treats, but I have kid and its hard to keep Ruby from eating things that may not be best for her.  I have considered taking her to a veterinary neurologist in the near future, but I'm bracing myself for what that might cost. 

I feel for you and know what it is like to watch your dog sufferr though these seizures.  I have even had to explain to my children how to handle her if they occur when I or my husband are not home.  I'm glad to hear that this condition is not common to ratties, but that doesn't make me feel any better when we're nursing poor Ruby though her bouts of trembling, drooling and nausea. 

I will eventually take Ruby to see a specialist  if only to get some better information on managing her condition and learing what to expect as she gets older.  If you or anyone else has has some insight or information that might be helpful, or you just need to talk, I'm willing to listen. 

Take care.

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ShellyeJo


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
01/14/2012 6:01 PM RE: Seizures with Ratties  
Hello Syalston and Ruby. Welcome to the board. What a scary thing to be going through with your rattie. This board is a great source of information and support. I hope you will stick around and let us know how Ruby is doing.

Mom to Tucker (Rattie/Chi), Maddy (Rattie), & Jackson (Ridgeback Mix)
RIP Lucky (Chi) 06.04.10
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BamaEskies


Obsessed
Obsessed
01/14/2012 6:53 PM RE: Seizures with Ratties  

I'm so sorry! I totally understand how you feel since one of our dogs (our very hyper Eskie Cheyenne) was diagnosed with idiopathic seizures (which are the most common and there is no known cause) when she was a puppy. She had mainly grand mal seizures, which were absolutely horrible. I remember after each episode, she would come out of it without being able to see. She would be screaming and trying to stand up and run. If I didn't hold her, she would smash into things. It was absolutely horrific.

Now, to the good news. Even if it turns out that your dog does have epilepsy (which would be several seizures instead of a few isolated ones), it's not usually a death sentence. There was a time that I thought we would have to put down Cheyenne because we couldn't get her seizures to stop. We started her on Phenobarbital (which can be bad for the liver). Then we added Potassium Bromide (which we had compounded at the local pharmacy. The medicine was cheap and with a peanut butter flavor!). Cheyenne hasn't been on any medicine in a few years since it's been years since she's had a seizure. In the meantime, she's earned 13 agility titles, so please don't lose hope as I once almost did! (For lots of details about Cheyenne's seizures as a puppy, start here: http://forum.eskie.net/index.php/topic,8286.75.html .)

There are several great online resources. Here's one I remember right off hand that I used a lot: http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/site_map.htm . I can look up some other resources I used and recommend some books if needed, so just let me know.

Keep us posted.


Andrea and the Bama Eskies and Ratties:

Emmy (RT), Cheyenne, Leela (RT), Tecumseh, & Dakota
http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1193671
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BamaEskies


Obsessed
Obsessed
01/14/2012 7:19 PM RE: Seizures with Ratties  
Posted By BamaEskies on 01/14/2012 6:53 PM

I'm so sorry! I totally understand how you feel since one of our dogs (our very hyper Eskie Cheyenne) was diagnosed with idiopathic seizures (which are the most common and there is no known cause) when she was a puppy. She had mainly grand mal seizures, which were absolutely horrible. I remember after each episode, she would come out of it without being able to see. She would be screaming and trying to stand up and run. If I didn't hold her, she would smash into things. It was absolutely horrific.

Now, to the good news. Even if it turns out that your dog does have epilepsy (which would be several seizures instead of a few isolated ones), it's not usually a death sentence. There was a time that I thought we would have to put down Cheyenne because we couldn't get her seizures to stop. We started her on Phenobarbital (which can be bad for the liver). Then we added Potassium Bromide (which we had compounded at the local pharmacy. The medicine was cheap and with a peanut butter flavor!). Cheyenne hasn't been on any medicine in a few years since it's been years since she's had a seizure. In the meantime, she's earned 13 agility titles, so please don't lose hope as I once almost did! (For lots of details about Cheyenne's seizures as a puppy, start here: http://forum.eskie.net/index.php/topic,8286.75.html .)

There are several great online resources. Here's one I remember right off hand that I used a lot: http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/site_map.htm . I can look up some other resources I used and recommend some books if needed, so just let me know.

Keep us posted.


Also, when you visit  forum.eskie.net, make sure you're on the home page and then type "Cheyenne seizures" in the search box. You can find all sorts of extra information about Cheyenne's seizures such homeopathic medicine we tried, advice from a well-known canine doctor or two, our visit to Auburn University's vet school, Cheyenne's prescribed medicine, and lots of support and suggestions from fellow dog lovers.

Something in all that might help your baby.


Andrea and the Bama Eskies and Ratties:

Emmy (RT), Cheyenne, Leela (RT), Tecumseh, & Dakota
http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1193671
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WendyandMardi


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
01/15/2012 7:33 AM RE: Seizures with Ratties  
My friends Golden retriever had one seizure and never again. Be strong! Hopefully we can help, at least by being here for you Hugs!
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Emylee


Rattie
Rattie
01/26/2012 7:19 AM RE: Seizures with Ratties  
My cat has had a few seizures. It's a long shot, but did you happen to put any flea meds on her before she had the seizure? I found out that is what caused my cats.

I hope your baby is doing better!
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