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wmars1776

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Mitzy's Mom

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| 08/29/2007 7:40 AM |
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Everybody duck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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dogparkdawn

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| 08/29/2007 8:34 AM |
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WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO UNWANTED DOGS IN SHELTERS? THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT BREEDING YOUR DOG DOES. UNWANTED IGNORED ABANDONDED TOO MANY TOO MUCH. ICK. Why should we try to improve a breed if it only gets sent to a shelter because it is too old, unloved, unwanted? Not good for your breeding program. Not making any MONEY. You all can kiss my grits. |
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Build a little Bird House in Your Soul.
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Natasha

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| 08/29/2007 8:43 AM |
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i do have a question about this, as you know i have 2 ratties a type A and a type B Toby the type A hasnt been neutered yet and Jasmine the type B hasnt been spayed, toby is 5 months and jazzy is 3 months old. I was wondering what age normally female dogs go into the first heat? i do not want them to have pups but i am going to need to recodnise the signs so i can be sure to keep them apart, i cant afford a neuter and spay for a cpl of weeks yet. Another question just a curious one but can tyoe a pups be bred with type B pups? (lol i say again i dont want to breed mine as i am not expierienced i am just curious) Thankies  |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 08/29/2007 8:47 AM |
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Yes, the 2 types can be bred BUT they shouldn't be....not that it will cause physical problems but because the types are distinctly different and should stay that way. The type B's are now called Teddy Roosevelt Terriers and eventually the 2 types will be further separated if the AKC completely recognized the Rat Terrier breed. Females can come in heat any time from 4 months to a year. Toby is almost old enough to be neutered, maybe you can just get him done first? I think neutering is cheaper. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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Natasha

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| 08/29/2007 8:48 AM |
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tyvm i got to the vet with jasmine next week for more shots i will talk to him about it then ^^ |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 08/29/2007 8:53 AM |
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Posted By dogparkdawn on 08/29/2007 8:34 AM
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO UNWANTED DOGS IN SHELTERS?
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT BREEDING YOUR DOG DOES. UNWANTED IGNORED ABANDONDED TOO MANY TOO MUCH.
ICK. Why should we try to improve a breed if it only gets sent to a shelter because it is too old, unloved, unwanted? Not good for your breeding program. Not making any MONEY.
You all can kiss my grits.
Well, I'm sorry if my humor was misplaced as I realize this is a serious topic. I am totally against people who breed "just because the neighbor's dog is cute" , etc. A breeder should be totally educated in what they are doing, hopefully mentored by a responsible breeder, be prepared for the financial cost of breeding and raising puppies, have all the proper tests done on their dogs and know the family tree of both male and female for any genetic flaws - physical or personality.
I do think that we need reputable breeders to continue the breed...but these people aren't doing it because they're getting rich doing it. They do it for the improvement of the breed...whether they have 1 dog or several. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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DaisysMom

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| 08/29/2007 9:07 AM |
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Posted By Monte on 08/29/2007 1:31 AM
Hey, I heard on here when I first started that everyone was friendly and there would be no yelling.
Having bred dogs for many years, I don't know everything either, but have my opinions and such too. After reading many books on breeding and genetics, etc. I have read and talked to several vets about continuous breeding, heat after heat. The vets I talked to said if the dogs are in good health it is fine. Having said that, who and why would you unless you have a reason for it. People in the great usa can make $$ from breeding if they want to it is a free country even if people don't agree with it. Some people are puppy mills, some people are uninformed, some people are informed and want to. I preferred not to as we only bred about 4 bitches a year even tho we had more, we didn't need more puppies for our breeding program. Lots of ways to look at things.
I also believe that Dr. Hutch. is a very well regarded expert in his field. Monte
People in the great USA can make $$ from a lot things - even if it's illegal, immoral, or unethical, but that still doesn't make it "right".
This is a friendly site and we try our best to avoid yelling and/or drama; however, as with most situations involving human beings - things happen and tension cannot always be avoided.
This subject in particular is one that causes emotional, sometimes heated, responses. We see that there are thousands of rat terriers, most of them apparently "purebred", and thousands more rattie mixes on sites like petfinder or available with rescue groups like Ratbones, and it's makes most of us ill to think of all these ratties needing a good home. IMHO - I think there are probably enough legitimate, knowledgeable and loving rat terrier breeders now to sustain the breed and sustain it well. |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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rattytatty

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| 08/29/2007 9:39 AM |
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I agree 150% with Tracey's comments. I'm not a breeder... have never been a breeder... and do not claim to be an expert at all. But there are some basic facts which I do know and which apply to breeding in general... regardless of the breed. Here's a very informative website for those of us who are interested.
http://www.doginfomat.com/schmidt.htm
I own a full-blooded rat terrier who has one of the best dispositions of any dog I've ever trained or owned. SO many people have made comments to me about how "sad" they are that I had him neutered because they would love to have a puppy from him. I just kinda (to myself of course) roll my eyes because if these people were truly knowledgeable they would see that Bailey would not be considered by ANY reputable breeder as a dog to use as a stud.
He's a GREAT pet, and has been one of the easiest dogs I've ever had the privilege to train. He has an awesome personality... he's energetic yet not hyperactive. He would make a great dog for ANY family with or without children. I love this little dog with all my heart and soul... as I have never loved any other dog. But his rear angulation isn't what it should be. He has an underbite... and his ears are not conformationally (is that a word? haha) correct. His right hip would not pass OFA requirements (it's borderline). Why would I wish to pass these genetic "defects" on?
Just because you own a super duper pet, doesn't mean it should be bred. It's ok to disagree on this issue. Yes... it's a free country and people can choose for themselves to make money any way they wish, regardless of whether it's ethical or legal. I, for one, do not choose to do so and don't have a huge amount of respect for those who do...and I highly suspect that any RESPONSIBLE breeder would agree with me. |
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dogparkdawn

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| 08/29/2007 12:41 PM |
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sorry. Just a crabby morning. My neighbor decided to breed his rat terrier, Ginger. She does not have papers and she had four pups. Two lived. The neighbor is a nut case and still has all three dogs. He had the boy pup neutered and still not spayed the mom and female pup. I get so darn upset with the situation. He has to move from his apartment because they do not allow three dogs and he will not part with any of them. I appreciate his wanting to keep them, but he is the one who gave those pups the life they have. And believe me, it is a meager one. I realize that what I wrote was wrong and I am truly sorry, but from as pet owner, I find it hard to swallow that there are so many dogs that are given up and put down due to the fact that there are so many. I am not yelling at anyone and do not feel the need to defend myself either. |
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Build a little Bird House in Your Soul.
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wmars1776

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| 08/29/2007 12:50 PM |
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Everybody has a bad day .....don't worry about it. Like you website! |
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Bill - "Smokey's" Dad Cumberland, Rhode Island
"To everything, there is a season" www.myspace.com/wmars1776 |
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NellBell25

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| 08/29/2007 1:44 PM |
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| Dawn, it's hard for me to be diplomatic about these issues sometimes, I am right there with you with the frustration sometimes... I work at a shelter on the weekened and not only does it sometimes break my heart it makes me very angry and I get irrational at times. |
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Susan

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| 08/31/2007 12:52 AM |
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I understand the emotional issues here and sympathize and agree with most of what is said. But you guys are just funny! Please don't be upset with me. It is better than a debate at the college where I go and they have some pretty good ones in the student center! Nora I love it when you finnally say something on the breeding thread! Mostly cause I do agree with what you say. I have some wonderful dogs that I would never breed, but they are freinds and family so they will stay untill God takes them away from me to heaven. Every one is entitled to their opinion, but don't get mad just cause somebody else doesn't agree with you. Find out what the facts are and back them up! I would love to see two experts in any field agree on anything, as a perpetual student I am unfortunatly aware of proffessional infighting amoung the PHD.s and the battlefield there is quite bloodly! I was not mad at anybody and I enjoy a food fight from time to time. Hit me with chocolate!!! But don't run off mad. LOL |
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ANYTHING WORTH DOING IS WORTH OVERDOING Mom of eight, only three left at home! Pack leader to ten ratties: Maggie, Mysty, Berry, Simon, Ceecee and five puppies, Star,Sari, Bluebelle, Double stuf,and Snortie. As well as Ginger the Border Collie and a herd of turkeys! |
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swatson6

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| 08/31/2007 10:00 AM |
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Posted By Susan on 08/31/2007 12:52 AM
I understand the emotional issues here and sympathize and agree with most of what is said. But you guys are just funny! Please don't be upset with me. It is better than a debate at the college where I go and they have some pretty good ones in the student center!
Nora I love it when you finnally say something on the breeding thread! Mostly cause I do agree with what you say. I have some wonderful dogs that I would never breed, but they are freinds and family so they will stay untill God takes them away from me to heaven.
Every one is entitled to their opinion, but don't get mad just cause somebody else doesn't agree with you. Find out what the facts are and back them up! I would love to see two experts in any field agree on anything, as a perpetual student I am unfortunatly aware of proffessional infighting amoung the PHD.s and the battlefield there is quite bloodly! I was not mad at anybody and I enjoy a food fight from time to time. Hit me with chocolate!!! But don't run off mad. LOL
Ohh Me too!! Me too!!   
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rattytatty

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| 08/31/2007 10:33 AM |
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Susan -- very funny (re: chocolate comment!). I don't post on this forum much because I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to breeding so I usually TRY to keep my mouth shut on issues I'm not very knowledgeable about. I just hate to see people become irate when someone doesn't agree with them. I usually hang out in the training forum cuz that's where I'm most comfortable. I can be hit with most anything and feel knowledgeable enough to stand my ground. haha |
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BonitaKaz

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| 08/31/2007 12:21 PM |
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| Chocolate? Where? |
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*Bonita* Mom to Nibbler! |
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dogparkdawn

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| 08/31/2007 4:29 PM |
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I love chocolate and coffee. Dark Chocolate and Dark Coffee. I love my ratties and if not for a few breeders out there, I would not have them. They were rescued, but not from any group. Someday I'll tell you the stories. Thanks for making my day. I'm glad to see we can all get along. |
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Build a little Bird House in Your Soul.
Dawn Muscarella |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 08/31/2007 5:13 PM |
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I'm up for the dark chocolate! Just make my coffee a latte.  |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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dogparkdawn

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| 09/01/2007 6:41 AM |
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Sure Mary Beth. Will DO. I used to work at the Rocky Mountain Chocolate Factory and we would specialize in Latte, Capocinno, Espresso. Expresso Love alright! How did you get that pup to wink? Sure is a cutie with that sparkle boa costume. I love to see puppy pics, when the breeding is complete. They totally make my day. Hugs... dawnee |
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Build a little Bird House in Your Soul.
Dawn Muscarella |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 09/01/2007 6:47 AM |
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Hey Dawn, thanks for the latte! LOL Mitzy isn't winking, she's missing an eye - but thankfully it DOES look like she's winking and isn't ugly looking. She was a stray that a friend of mine found on the road when she was 7-8 weeks old and had been attacked by another dog, vet had to remove the eye. BTW - I've 2 rescue dogs (Mitzy and Skipper, a ratchi mix) and 2 from breeders - Loco the whippet and Mayfly the rattie. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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dogparkdawn

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| 09/01/2007 8:42 AM |
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OH my goodness. I would have never thought that. She just looks like a winker to me. I just love them all and thank you for your rescue. I was doing some google and saw that NRR>>> White tigers are a product of cross breeding and that there are many many throw aways...How awful. I wish I had a penny for every band wagon I wanted to jump on. I think it is linked to a cat rescue.. Thanks for listening. I'm going back to bed with my rats. Not even 7 am here and had to get up for a cuppa joe!! I am so insane. |
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Build a little Bird House in Your Soul.
Dawn Muscarella |
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Hnl912

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| 09/26/2007 4:04 PM |
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Hi... I was wondering... I have a miniature rat terrier named Lucy... she is 6 months old. I would love to breed her. At what age is it good to start breeding? Also how do I go about finding a male to breed her with? Help!!!!!!
HNL912@yahoo.com
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Susan

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| 09/27/2007 8:26 PM |
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| First of all read all the breeding threads. There is some great advice here. Second you have lots of time before you will want to start. Two years old is the best earliest time to breed. By two you have had all the tests that need done, IE Pattellas checked, eyes checked, and hips checked too. This is not extreemly expensive but can run into some money. Then you need to send in all your test results. Then you can start looking around for a good stud. Try the UKC shows, there is a UKC web site and shows are a fun way to meet rattie breeders and maybe see how your baby does. You never know you might love showing. But you will mostly learn what proper structure is, and what every body else likes in ratties. Join a UKC Rat Terrier club in your area too. |
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