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abermea

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| 02/21/2008 2:00 PM |
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I have a 13 month old Type A (Zeus) who is appears to be ready, willing and able to be used for his studding ability!!! He's a happy and healthy guy who has been raised with 2 other dogs and 2 kids. One of the other dogs is a female Type A (Dizzy), too young to be bred with. Zeus has been (VERY) sexually inquisitive since he was about 3 months old, trying to have his way with any stuffed toy he could mount! We've taken away and/or kept him away from the stuffed toys although when Dizzy came in to her first heat recently, it fired Zeus up all over again. Is this an indicator that he should be or could be used for studding and would this help relieve him of the constant desire to mount things? |
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Morgan

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| 02/21/2008 2:07 PM |
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Posted By abermea on 02/21/2008 2:00 PM
I have a 13 month old Type A (Zeus) who is appears to be ready, willing and able to be used for his studding ability!!! He's a happy and healthy guy who has been raised with 2 other dogs and 2 kids. One of the other dogs is a female Type A (Dizzy), too young to be bred with. Zeus has been (VERY) sexually inquisitive since he was about 3 months old, trying to have his way with any stuffed toy he could mount! We've taken away and/or kept him away from the stuffed toys although when Dizzy came in to her first heat recently, it fired Zeus up all over again. Is this an indicator that he should be or could be used for studding and would this help relieve him of the constant desire to mount things?
Dogs, male AND female will mount things such as stuffed animals and anything else for that matter, but that does not mean that they "SHOULD/could" be bred. Is there a particular reason you are wanting to stud him out? Is it for the money? Studding him out is not going to relieve his desire to mount things...if anything it will proabably just make things worse, especially if he is around female dogs. If you want to remove his desire to mount things, I think it would be best to have him neutered.
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 02/21/2008 2:13 PM |
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Posted By abermea on 02/21/2008 2:00 PM
I have a 13 month old Type A (Zeus) who is appears to be ready, willing and able to be used for his studding ability!!! He's a happy and healthy guy who has been raised with 2 other dogs and 2 kids. One of the other dogs is a female Type A (Dizzy), too young to be bred with. Zeus has been (VERY) sexually inquisitive since he was about 3 months old, trying to have his way with any stuffed toy he could mount! We've taken away and/or kept him away from the stuffed toys although when Dizzy came in to her first heat recently, it fired Zeus up all over again. Is this an indicator that he should be or could be used for studding and would this help relieve him of the constant desire to mount things?
Humping toys at 3 months could also just indicate a dominance thing, regardless just because he WANTS to breed doesn't mean that he should. Have you had all the genetic testing done on him? Unless you are really sure you want to be a breeder and have researched all you need to know, etc. (are you going to breed the female when older?) you should have him neutered ASAP. Neutering also lessens his chances of cancer.
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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BonitaKaz

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| 02/21/2008 2:13 PM |
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Dogs, unlike humans, do not have sexual desire or sexual feelings. Mounting or humping is used primarily to show dominance, not because he's "horny." When he goes crazy while a female is in heat, it is not because he is "turned on" but because that is just his animal instinct. I think that is the most important thing you must remember. It is nto that he wants to have sex, but that it is his instinct. If you decide to breed him, for whatever reason you may choose to do so, there are many steps you need to take before just letting him have at it. Discuss this with your vet. He/She will give him a full vet check and certify that 1 he is healthy and 2. he has no major hereditary problems. You will also need to look for problems with the hips and knees. How much do you know of his background (pedigree) that will also help in determining if he is a dog that should be bred for the advancement of the breed as a whole. |
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*Bonita* Mom to Nibbler! |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 02/21/2008 2:16 PM |
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| Please read Tracey's post pinned at the top of this forum called "Looking to Breed Your Rat Terrier". If you do choose to breed there are several experienced breeders on here who can give you advice. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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talatzkomom

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abermea

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| 02/21/2008 2:29 PM |
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I don't want him neutered just yet because I do intend to breed Dizzy and Zeus one time when she comes of age - but I am not trying to make money off of them. I just didn't know if allowing him to mate before then (assuming his is clinically ready to go) would help him (and me) out. He has a vet appointment next week but thought I would ask here first. |
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breshearsratterriers

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| 02/21/2008 2:35 PM |
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I would definately rethink breeding him. If he is a house dog, breeding him is going to give him a big ego boost! Some dogs take it so far as to snap at their owners. I know my Benny to start with was one of the sweetest dogs you could ever ask for. He was really lovable, got along well with other dogs, and of course he has great conformation. He is a beautiful example of the teddy roosevelt style terrier. (He is the adult in my avatar.) After him breeding one time at 2.5 years old, he completely changed. He started snapping at me and my husband....he turned extra aggressive toward any men, or boys, which included my 3 year old son. I completely freaked out because he had bit my son on the hand and brought blood, after many times of snapping. I started emailing everyone that I could think of asking them what to do and why he was acting the way he was. All gave me the same answer, it is because he has now been bred and now he is the pack leader. Some told me that it would be best to put him to sleep-which there was no possible way I would EVER do that!! Benny was still my baby even though he was turning psycho on me. Today Benny isn't the least bit aggressive, because of some extensive training and a lot of patience. I am not saying that all male dogs that are bred do this, but why take the risk with your what is no happy go lucky pet? Since Benny's first breeding I have allowed him to breed one other time and he is doing well, but still I am strongly thinking of getting him neutered, just because it is not worth the risk. I was scared to death that he would never be sweet little Benny dog again. I honestly thought that he had completely lost his marbles!! If it would not have been for a lot of friends and a lot of research, he probably would have stayed a rabid monster. Now he is the best dog you could ask for again. |
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abermea

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| 02/21/2008 2:51 PM |
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Thank you! I truly appreciate your (non-judgemental) response. This is my first post and nearly every response I got was as though I was trying to start a puppy-mill in considering breeding them. Truth is, we have a large family and extended family who are not familiar with Rat Terriers and absolutely love our dogs. They have asked (if not begged) us to breed them so they could have a puppy. That's where the idea of having a litter came in to play. Anyway, again, I appreciate your response and will take into consideration Benny's temperment change after breeding. |
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Spanky's Mom

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| 02/21/2008 2:54 PM |
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I have a 4 month old Rattie male I just had neutered Tuesday. This little guy has great bloodlines,conformation,temperment,coloring,etc.But,IF I would have bred him, it would have not been before the age of two, only after ALL testing was clear, I would still have been breeding for ALL the wrong reasons. I am NOT a breeder nor do I want to be and I am NOT saying there aren't any good breeders, just that this is a lot to think about, it's not just about putting 2 dogs together to "let them have at it".
Breeding is a serious subject not to be taken lightly, so many things can go wrong. You have to sit and ask yourself
1. Can you afford all the testing that needs to be done, not ONLY on the male but the female as well, are you willing to fork out the money to have the testing done.
2.Are you ready for anything that can happen,can you AFFORD it IF something does happen?? emergency vet bills are not cheap.
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When you own a Rattie....you KNOW you are in your right mind 
THE MEANING OF RESCUE
Now that I'm home, bathed, settled and fed, All nicely tucked in my warm new bed. I'd like to open my baggage Lest I forget, There is so much to carry - So much to regret. Hmm... Yes there it is, right on the top Let's unpack Loneliness, Heartache and Loss, And there by my leash hides Fear and Shame. As I look on these things I tried so hard to leave - I still have to unpack my baggage called Pain. I loved them, the others, the ones who left me, But I wasn't good enough - for they didn't want me. Will you add to my baggage? Will you help me unpack? Or will you just look at my things - And take me right back? Do you have the time to help me unpack? To put away my baggage, To never repack? I pray that you do - I'm so tired you see, But I do come with baggage - Will you still want me?
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 02/21/2008 3:04 PM |
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Exactly. One member on here had to get an emergency c-section for her female for $1300. Also, just because many family members and friends say NOW that they would take a puppy - doesn't always mean they will once the puppies come. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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Spanky's Mom

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| 02/21/2008 3:07 PM |
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| Excellent point I forgot to include!! |
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When you own a Rattie....you KNOW you are in your right mind 
THE MEANING OF RESCUE
Now that I'm home, bathed, settled and fed, All nicely tucked in my warm new bed. I'd like to open my baggage Lest I forget, There is so much to carry - So much to regret. Hmm... Yes there it is, right on the top Let's unpack Loneliness, Heartache and Loss, And there by my leash hides Fear and Shame. As I look on these things I tried so hard to leave - I still have to unpack my baggage called Pain. I loved them, the others, the ones who left me, But I wasn't good enough - for they didn't want me. Will you add to my baggage? Will you help me unpack? Or will you just look at my things - And take me right back? Do you have the time to help me unpack? To put away my baggage, To never repack? I pray that you do - I'm so tired you see, But I do come with baggage - Will you still want me?
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breshearsratterriers

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| 02/21/2008 3:07 PM |
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In all honesty, I don't think the other members are trying to come off as judgemental. I think that alot of them have rescued ratties and work closely with the rescues like Ratbone Rescue and they realize that there is honestly a very low demand for ratties. Of course we all love our ratties and that is why we are here. The way I look at it, if everyone had their ratties spayed or neutered the breed would very quickly go extinct. I not only breed my dogs for the betterment of the breed, but also to see smiles of the new owners! To get pictures of the pup and its new room. I love to see how badly my puppies are getting spoiled!! When the new owners send me pics I put them up on my myspace page to show them off. I definately don't breed for the money--believe me, I am way in the hole!! It is my love for the breed and my love for rattie lovers. For me I honestly would rather give one of my pups away to a good home than to sell a pup to bad home for a thousand dollars. As for the judgemental posts, as a rescuer myself I understand their side and as a breeder that many times got those same responses, I understand your side. They just want to make sure that you are trying to better the breed and giving ratties a good name so that they will become a more popular breed, so that there are not so many ratties in foster homes, kill shelters, etc. I hope that this helps you to understand. I honestly think that most would agree with me. If not I am very sorry, and know that I am not trying to offend anyone . |
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Crystal

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| 02/21/2008 3:08 PM |
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If your famil and extended family want a Rat Terrier there is the option to adopt one and save a rats life. Because if you are only going to breed for that reason I would say it is the wrong reason. I would have talk to them about adopting before I breed. I'm not trying to be mean but there are so many rats that need a home . Look into Ratbones Rescue and you will see why I say this. |
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Mom to Guenhwyvar, When life gets hard, take a long hot bath and enjoy knowing the door locks and your phone is on silent!!

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talatzkomom

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| 02/21/2008 3:10 PM |
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YA KNOW.. i GUESS THAT IS WHY i DESIDED TO FINALLY cut SHAMUS TOO! HE ONLY COST ME 200$ W papers! AND 5 YRS PEDIGREE!!IT WOULD HAVE COST MORE TO DO THE TESTING!!! and! HE ENDED UP WITH A OVERSHOT BOTTOM TEETH!!! SO I SAVE'D A LOT A TROUBLE! YOU CAN'T EVEN SHOW'M WITH THAT! AND HIS BREEDER IS IN BUS. 30 YRS!!! CAUSE NOW I DON'T FEEL BAD THAT I ONLY SPENT 200$+75 TO FIX HIM AND SHOTS AND I'M DONE!!! AND I GOT A REALLY NICE DOG!! WHAT DOES IT COST NOW FOR LET S SEE..
PUP?=2-3HUNDRED $$$$
SHOTS=SAY75$
TESTING!!!$$$$= mom DIES...opps! SORRY NO PUPPYS! OH YA PUT MOM DOWN TO!humm
COSTSAVINGS? PAIN AND SUFFERING P R I C E L E S S !!!!! |
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breshearsratterriers

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| 02/21/2008 3:23 PM |
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P.S. Part of my sales agreement states that if for any reason, they would not be able to keep the dog or did not want the dog anymore, the dog at whatever age or whatever kind of health he/she is in, they are to come back to me for proper placement. I feel that these babies did not ask to be brought into this world, therefore me as the breeder should be held responsible for the pup/dog for his or her entire life. To me that is one very important part of the breeding process. (I'd say probably the most important part.) I would much rather get a 10 year old rattie back then to see him or her go to a shelter or a bad home. So many times new owners don't realize how much vet bills can cost and I think that is one of the number one reasons people give up their dogs. No matter what I would take any of my babies back in a second.  |
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talatzkomom

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breshearsratterriers

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talatzkomom

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