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| 02/20/2008 11:50 PM |
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Not like Blue which carries health problems when doubled up.
Sad thing is AKC frowns on Isabella. If you plan on showing in AKC you need to join RTCA and work at changing the standard. Same with UKC, changes can only take place from withing the parent club. |
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PeeWeePup
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| 02/21/2008 12:02 AM |
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I bred my black, white and tan tri tuxedo mamma and my tri blue merle daddy and got this beautiful pup, vet checked, alls well, healthy and no issues what so ever, I have been trying to follow yall but not sure of the entire conversation! But I thought I'd show you my cutie pie tri blue merle peeweepup! |
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kristen
Rat Royalty
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| 02/21/2008 12:14 AM |
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soo the litter I'm thinking about getting has two tri colored ratties for parents. They only bred a month ago, so I don't know if the mom is officially pregnant... so cross your fingers!! one is a black/tan tuxedo and one is the traditional black tri, both of them each have one 'blue' parent. What are the odds of my pup being 'blue' and would this produce a healthy blue? The anticipation is killing me!!  |
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kristen
Rat Royalty
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| 02/21/2008 12:15 AM |
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| typo: litter I'm thinking about getting a pup from, haha no I'm not taking home the whole litter! |
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maggiew607
Terrier Terror
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| 02/21/2008 12:20 AM |
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Posted By breshearsratterriers on 02/20/2008 8:32 PM
I am not near a color expert, I have done some research.....but I am still not sure of Louie's patterns, or color.....I know that he has some blue, he has a tan undercoat (reverse sabling)? Anyone with opinions, it would be appreciated!
Brandii
I read the stuff fom the Arta as I am fascinated by colors. They have a dog that looks something like Louie. the dog they have is listed as a Blue Fawn or a Blue Sabled tan as they also have under the same category. From the looks of him, he's a blue fawn with intense blue sabling???? I have no idea if I understood this right, but that's what I got for ya...
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**Maggie**Owned by COCO and new guy ANGUS**
"In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semihuman. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland |
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Azrats
Obsessed
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| 02/21/2008 9:43 AM |
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| Well I will join and fight it, isabella is a color in the rat terrier gene pool. I don't see any other small dog that look like ours. Also if anything we worry about is double dilutes. AKC can be so stupid, they still register merle+merle litters even though it produces lethal whites. (Deaf, blind, other genetic defects.) My camper is isabella, carrying blue, chocolate, and possibly if I matched him just right lemon. (But we can't be sure, it's so far back. |
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And as we lie beneath the stars
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If they could love like you and me
Imagine what the world could be~Nickleback
For my dogs teach me everyday, and in their eyes I see the person I strive to be-Karen, about Camper |
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GoldRushKennels
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| 02/21/2008 12:37 PM |
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It took years for UKC judges to understand the colors of the Rat Terrier. AKC will be harder, the judges are clueless on our breed. We accually got into it with one that swears that the RT is just a large TFT.
On the same hand UKC judges that raise TFT's are the worse judges of our breed IMHO.
On a blue out of black tri parents I would only be worried if it was carried by both parents. We will know first hand in April.
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Jeff & Janet
Gold Rush Kennels - Rat Terriers |
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Azrats
Obsessed
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| 02/21/2008 1:05 PM |
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| I will breed camper to frankie, she carries blue really far back.. so far I'm not sure it will even matter. Her mother had a blue relative, though her pedigree screws me up. Honestly her pedigree goes so far bak (13 generations, old old generations, that some of the colors listed on her pedigree, the pairings are impossible. No two black bi colors, who have black bi color parents can create a blue tri. But I'm dealing with times when they still allowed outcrossing. At least i know I have some really old registered rat lines. My male isn't as far back, but more accurate. |
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And as we lie beneath the stars
We realize how small we are
If they could love like you and me
Imagine what the world could be~Nickleback
For my dogs teach me everyday, and in their eyes I see the person I strive to be-Karen, about Camper |
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talatzkomom
Ratastic
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| 02/21/2008 1:08 PM |
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the breeder that I got Shamus,Domino n Lacie from has a TINY toy female that is blu/wht pibold and her white had hair but her blue is BALD! its the strangest thing! I wish I had a pix of her he won't even breed her,as she is so tiny he is afraid she will die... he has lost her sister already! she is out of his blk/wht stud and triblk/wht tan dam,really odd looking thing.. pretty though... |
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talatzkomom
Ratastic
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breshearsratterriers
Ratterific
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| 02/21/2008 2:53 PM |
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Posted By maggiew607 on 02/21/2008 12:20 AM
Posted By breshearsratterriers on 02/20/2008 8:32 PM
I am not near a color expert, I have done some research.....but I am still not sure of Louie's patterns, or color.....I know that he has some blue, he has a tan undercoat (reverse sabling)? Anyone with opinions, it would be appreciated!
Brandii
I read the stuff fom the Arta as I am fascinated by colors. They have a dog that looks something like Louie. the dog they have is listed as a Blue Fawn or a Blue Sabled tan as they also have under the same category. From the looks of him, he's a blue fawn with intense blue sabling???? I have no idea if I understood this right, but that's what I got for ya...
Thanks a bunch!!  Ever since I got Louie, there has been so much debate about his color--especially since it changes so much. Neither of his parents were merle...however they could have had a spot of merling on their tails where they were cropped. That unfortunately I would never know. I have even called around to different vets in the area to get genetic testing done, to see what colors/patterns he carries and they all laughed at me! I think they thought that I was crazy. Here in my town Rat Terriers are not very well known. The vets also told me the same thing when I asked about OFA testing....which suprises me because she breeds dobermans (our normal vet anyway.) It seems like with her being a breeder and a rat terrier owner she would keep herself more updated.  I called other vets too though and they told me the same thing! GRRRR. I may have to take my babies to the big city to get their testing done!! It is very frustrating when you try to do the right thing, and lack of knowledge of the vets hold you back!! Sad. Okay I went way off of the topic!! Sorry 
Thanks again for the helpful info!!
Brandii
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talatzkomom
Ratastic
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| 02/21/2008 6:21 PM |
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HEY! Did you see my thread about Shamus's cousin is a pibald blu/wht her white is long and her blu is ALL BALD! really weired not unusal! I guess! I wish I had a pix of her... |
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Linda talatzko
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Darla
Ratterific
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| 02/21/2008 8:01 PM |
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Your boy Louie looks have merleing to me. |
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(link)
Breeders Of Champion and Grand Champion
Rat Terriers and American Hairless Terriers
Striving For Health, Temperament and Conformation In All Our Terriers
KnD
Breeding For A Better Tomorrow- Today. |
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breshearsratterriers
Ratterific
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| 02/21/2008 8:14 PM |
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I can't wait to find a vet to do genetic testing. I have had so many opinions, that at this point I don't have a clue. I thought that it was the merle pattern at first, but he doesn't look like most merle ratties. Thanks! I appreciate all of the educated guess' that I can get. Since I am not so educated . |
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Darla
Ratterific
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| 02/21/2008 8:23 PM |
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Posted By breshearsratterriers on 02/21/2008 8:14 PM
I can't wait to find a vet to do genetic testing. I have had so many opinions, that at this point I don't have a clue. I thought that it was the merle pattern at first, but he doesn't look like most merle ratties. Thanks! I appreciate all of the educated guess' that I can get. Since I am not so educated .
I know I'm not going to spell this right..lol I have seen Catahoula cattle dogs with type of merleing. I'll see if I can find a pictuer for you.
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(link)
Breeders Of Champion and Grand Champion
Rat Terriers and American Hairless Terriers
Striving For Health, Temperament and Conformation In All Our Terriers
KnD
Breeding For A Better Tomorrow- Today. |
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Darla
Ratterific
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| 02/21/2008 8:23 PM |
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Posted By breshearsratterriers on 02/21/2008 8:14 PM
I can't wait to find a vet to do genetic testing. I have had so many opinions, that at this point I don't have a clue. I thought that it was the merle pattern at first, but he doesn't look like most merle ratties. Thanks! I appreciate all of the educated guess' that I can get. Since I am not so educated .
I know I'm not going to spell this right..lol I have seen Catahoula cattle dogs with type of merleing. I'll see if I can find a pictuer for you.
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(link)
Breeders Of Champion and Grand Champion
Rat Terriers and American Hairless Terriers
Striving For Health, Temperament and Conformation In All Our Terriers
KnD
Breeding For A Better Tomorrow- Today. |
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breshearsratterriers
Ratterific
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| 02/21/2008 8:27 PM |
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Darla
Ratterific
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| 02/21/2008 8:33 PM |
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Here are some catahoula pictures. This is the coat pattern I thought of when I saw your baby. I am not sure what they would call the color ?? It's like a blue merle with a tan sable thing going one... just do not know....???
 
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Breeders Of Champion and Grand Champion
Rat Terriers and American Hairless Terriers
Striving For Health, Temperament and Conformation In All Our Terriers
KnD
Breeding For A Better Tomorrow- Today. |
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breshearsratterriers
Ratterific
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| 02/21/2008 8:37 PM |
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That does resemble Louie's color, but he doesn't have any white hairs mixed in--just blue, black, and tan. Most of the merle ratties that I have seen also have the white/silver hairs mixed in just like the two that you have pics of. He has a white splotch of hair on his chest, but there are no other colors mixed in, in that spot either. Let me find pics of Louie's parents real quick. |
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breshearsratterriers
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| 02/21/2008 8:46 PM |
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 Louie's Sire
 Louie's Dam
 Louie's siblings (I do see some white hairs mixed in on some of these pups...)
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Darla
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breshearsratterriers
Ratterific
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| 02/21/2008 8:57 PM |
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Thanks a bunch, they do resemble Louie's coloring quite a bit. I think with the genetic tests, I might be able to find out for sure |
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Darla
Ratterific
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| 02/21/2008 9:01 PM |
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Posted By breshearsratterriers on 02/21/2008 8:57 PM
Thanks a bunch, they do resemble Louie's coloring quite a bit. I think with the genetic tests, I might be able to find out for sure
It would be interesting to know what you find out. Please let us know
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Breeders Of Champion and Grand Champion
Rat Terriers and American Hairless Terriers
Striving For Health, Temperament and Conformation In All Our Terriers
KnD
Breeding For A Better Tomorrow- Today. |
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talatzkomom
Ratastic
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| 02/22/2008 7:53 PM |
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very pretty! kind of like a Furr Seal!? is the regestry's going to accept meryl? didin't I read somewhere that they were going to be allow'd?I hope Im wrong! I like /um! and the pretty eyes! |
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Linda talatzko
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tiggarat
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| 02/22/2008 8:14 PM |
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Even though I don't plan on ever being a breeder, this color info is interesting. I read the ARTA info and can see why the breeder thought Lucy would be an apricot when she really is a lemon...only difference is the nose color.  You learn something new every day. |
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Lisabeth
furbabies: Lucy and Molly (1 1/2 yr old decker ratties), and Rosie (3 yr old dobie)
Buddy - gone but never forgotten.
"I don't think he has any idea he's a dog, really. Of course, he thinks he has a rather odd figure for a man" - Dodie Smith |
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Azrats
Obsessed
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| 02/22/2008 10:23 PM |
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| No. Registring merle would be bad, breeding merle can be very difficult. If you think blue to blue is different, see how pitiful a lethal white aussie or double dapple dachshaund is, one who is born death, born blind, born missing an eyeball. It's bad genetically. |
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And as we lie beneath the stars
We realize how small we are
If they could love like you and me
Imagine what the world could be~Nickleback
For my dogs teach me everyday, and in their eyes I see the person I strive to be-Karen, about Camper |
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talatzkomom
Ratastic
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Susan
Terrier Terror
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| 02/23/2008 5:07 PM |
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| We don't need that sort of "breeder" in rat terriers. I have all mine reg. with Akc so that I can change to UKC. I belong to a UKC club too. Between school and life with kids I am wondering if I have enough time for this before I graduate. Oh well, I got into breeding before I started school so I just cope for a few more months. I call Pearl, Pearl not Isabella. I like the fact that Pearl isn't like what other breeds call it. I breed pearl tri to black tri or chocolate tri or bi. In all just staying away from blue to blue breedings is best. You also won't find merle ratties at my house. There are so many problems with the merle gene and lethals that I studied with Aussies that I just don't want to deal with the fall-out! I saw lethal whites that were blind and deaf with some of the other Aussie breeders. It is an ugly thing to happen to a dog. The part though that freaks me out is that the brindle pattern has no genetic defects attached to it, BUT THAT IS A BAD THING? Confusing but to my opinion all breed registries are! |
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ANYTHING WORTH DOING IS WORTH OVERDOING Mom of eight. Pack leader to ten ratties: Maggie, Mysty, Berry, Simon, Ceecee and five puppies, Star,Sari, Bluebelle, Double stuf,and Snortie. As well as Ginger the Border Collie and Taffey the mini Aussie and Taffey's half rattie daughter Nedd (nasty evil devil dog and she really is too). |
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talatzkomom
Ratastic
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| 02/23/2008 9:41 PM |
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HOW DID YOU GET YOUR AKC? I thought they could only be UKC or International?Did I MISS SOMETHING?i DON'T THINK IVE EVER SEEN A akc>>> |
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Linda talatzko
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Darla
Ratterific
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| 02/23/2008 9:56 PM |
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One of the things about CDA is.. it might not show it's ugly head until a dog is 6 years of age. If this dog is used to breed..how mnay puppies can that dog produce in that 6 years??
Scarry huh? |
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Breeders Of Champion and Grand Champion
Rat Terriers and American Hairless Terriers
Striving For Health, Temperament and Conformation In All Our Terriers
KnD
Breeding For A Better Tomorrow- Today. |
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