KathyGH

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| 08/23/2008 2:33 PM |
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Hi, Everyone-
A friend of mine found a rat-terrier in her neighborhood about a week ago, and after making an attempt to find the owner decided to find him a permanent home. since my husband and I were looking for a dog, we took him in yesterday. He's really a good dog- totally not agressive with anyone, and seems to really love kids, but here's the problem- actually three problems: 1. MAJOR seperation anxiety- we can't even go into another part of the same room without him frantically barking and jumping. 2. "Marking" our brand-new kitchen cabinets 3. "Humping" anyone who comes near him- expecially my 7-year old daughter. It looks as if this is his favorite way to deal with stress (you should have seen me trying to drive home with him in the car!!!)
I never had a RT (or any terrier) before, and I understand this is an energetic breed, but at this point, we can't even pet him without him trying to mount us. We've got him gated in our kitchen right now, but I can tell he wants to be with us. He won't even eat if he knows we're around- ALL he does is bark, jump, hump! We plan on getting him fixed ASAP, by the way. I feel terrible, as my whole family has fallen in love with him- but I'm questioning whether I want a dog that (at this point) I can't even pet! I think he's just stressed out and I REALLY want to give him a chance, but... is this normal for this breed? Does anyone have any tips for me? I'm ready to call a rescue group... |
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storm

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| 08/23/2008 2:45 PM |
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Someone more knowledgeable will likely follow up, but I wanted to put your mind to rest a bit. The little guy to the left is my first Rat Terrier, and I love him to pieces! The breed is wonderful, loving, intelligent, and loyal. If the little guy at your house is a foundling, he obviously lost his people in some way that was traumatic to him. Ratties are very attached to their people. Having had someone take him in, he is likely frantic that he might lose you as well. Hence, the heightened separation anxiety. Granted, my Ripley has some separation anxiety issues, too, but it's not nearly as bad as what you describe. It has lessened considerably over a short time as he continues to learn our routines and that we always come back after a trip out. Ratties can be very energetic, but are also very cuddly and loveable dogs. Just from my limited experience and from what I have read and researched, it sounds like the guy you have taken in is very stressed out. Hopefully, someone who has dealt with rescues and this type of stress will reply quickly. You are wonderful for taking this little guy in. Please hang in there and give him a chance. I am sure you will not regret it! |
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Minniezmomma

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| 08/23/2008 3:15 PM |
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| please don't give up on him. I had time where i though i would lose my mind with my ratty, but it gets better. they have ALOT of energy. take him for a long walk, wear him out. and get him fixed asap. he needs bonding time with you, to ease the separation ax. get him a crate and make it his quite safe spot, but put it where he can still see you. don't force him to use it, just a few minutes at a time and reward him with praise and treats. things will settle down when he gets fixed. Im not sure if you confind him because of the marking or? but i have a great solution for that, get a male belly band, you won't have to worry about the marking. but just until he gets fixed. it will ease your mind and may help ease his if he can walk around and follow you. my girls follow me every where at home, even in the bathroom, but it doesn't bother me. also remember the rat terriers are very sensitive, so watch your level of correction. a shot very stern no, or ah ah/ shhtt will do it. get a squit bottle fill it half way with water, a few treats and carry it with you, get your daughter one to, if he trys to jump and hump spray him once and say down,this will not hurt him and is very affective. once he is down tell him to sit. when he does this give him a treat, if he trys to jump again, spray and say down/no. try it again. you just have to have patients and be the pack leader. You run your house and he needs to know that. I hope i helped :-) |
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LuvMyPoundPup

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| 08/23/2008 3:46 PM |
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Rescuing a ratty is an amazing experience. I rescued my girl and although i can't offer any advice on the marking or humping I was in your same situation with the seperation anxiety. I can tell you that with time it will get better. As others have said he probably lost his people and is in fear of losing you as well. They do become attached and are so loving. Let him know that you will always come back. You can leave him alone in a room or however you will leave him if you go out and leave for a few minutes then come back. doing this often may be a bit time consuming but it works. After a while begin to leave him for longer periods of time. He will begin to understand that even though you're leaving you will come back. It may take some time but trust me they are smart dogs and will learn. Walks may help also not only to help you bond but also to get some of that energy out. Thank you for saving this little guy and don't give up hope. The first week i had Jasmine i swear sometimes i wanted to throw her out the window (her thing is loud constant whining) cause i just couldn't take it. Then she will come over and hop up on my lap and just lay for a cuddle and some love. he will settle into your home and begin seeing things as normal. hope to hear more from you soon this site is very helpful especially for those of us who haven't had the breed before. |
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RatsRule!

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| 08/23/2008 3:52 PM |
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| wow, sounds like he is very stressed out the poor guy, but thank goodness he had you to take him in. Like the others said things will improve over time if you are patient with him. Ratties are wonderful dogs- I have 2 now- both females- and they do like to be with their humans but in his case it sounds extreme and I think its because he frightened and not sure of his surroundsing yet. He really doesn't understand what is happening to him or where is family is. Sounds like he'll need lots of love, patience, patience and yes, to be neutrered ASAP. That should cut down at least on some of the humping and marking. I'm sure Nora the training moderator can help out a lot, and she may want a few more details. Hang in there and keep us posted. |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 08/23/2008 7:20 PM |
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Like the others have said - neuter him ASAP that will help a lot. But also, lots of quality exercise will help with that excess energy! With the humping thing...this can be a dominance act rather than a "sex" thing. He should not be allowed to hump ANY human...dogs do this between themselves to sort out pack hierarchy but never let him hump you or your child. He probably sees your child as his equal in the pack and needs to be made aware that the child is alpha over him. Nora and others will have some good advice but meanwhile neutering and exercise!! JMO And thank you for giving him a chance. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org |
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Lucy's Mommy

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| 08/23/2008 8:40 PM |
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| Don't give up on him. Obviously, he was stressed because he was alone and now he's excited because he has a family. Getting him neutered will help, as will patient, loving training. Please keep us posted. |
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Baileydukedavis

Terrier Terror

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| 08/23/2008 10:12 PM |
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Please give us a update on your new family member. It sounds like you have some good info from the post above. Just dont give up on him. Let us know how things are going. Thanks |
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"If your dog doesn't like someone you probably shouldn't either." - Unknown
Bailey Duke Tazman Davis, Sydney Grace Davis and Chance Tazman Davis. |
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tauney4

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| 08/23/2008 10:49 PM |
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| walk walk walk walk him. maybe take him to obedience class. when you get him fixed it should stop all that. ratties are really good dogs and all. please dont give up on him, he probably needs alot of TLC. |
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KathyGH

Rattie

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| 08/25/2008 9:46 AM |
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I'm so upset! This is just NOT working out! I totally don't see ANY affection in this dog AT ALL! I'm reading all these descriptions of affectionate people dogs and he is so totally the opposite! The poor thing must have been so mistreated- he tolerates us petting him but it's obvious he does not enjoy it - he flinches if we move a hand toward him.
We can't get him off my daughter (a very small 7 year-old). NOTHING works- I've tried getting between them and saying "down!" - a few times he did, but as soon as I say "Good dog" he's back on her. I told her to face him and tell him "Down!" but he just jumps right on her- it's like he's obsessed! If she goes into her room he throws himself against her door. Trying to distract him doesn't work- he doesn't seem to be at all food motivated (which I've never seen in a dog!) The worst was last night- my husband had enough of "Spot" jumping on her (my daughter had climbed up onto the back of the sofa, and he went right after her)- my husband grabbed his collar and yelled "No!" and Spot went ballistic- full fangs-bared, growling, snapping at my husband's face! Now, of course my husband's terrified of the dog. I'm also concerned because Spot seems to be afraid of my 90 year-old mother- I think maybe it's her cane. He looked like he was actually stalking her the other day, and he growls when he sees her.
My whole family is heartbroken because it seemed like a great fit- now I need him out of my house ASAP before he really hurts somebody (my poor kid is covered in scratches). I feel like an utter failure!! Does anyone know someone in the northern New Jersey area who could help me out? A rescue group or no-kill shelter- I want him to be happy and safe. |
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rattytatty

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| 08/25/2008 9:54 AM |
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Sounds like he may need a more experienced owner... (no fault of yours). But one wee bit of advice in the meantime concerning the dog jumping on your daughter. Instead of telling her to face the dog and say "DOWN"... tell her to turn her back on the dog. If the dog doesn't get any reaction, he's less likely to have any incentive to continue jumping. I use the "down" command if I want a dog to lay down. If I want a dog to get off of me.. I use the "OFF" command. But the thing is... the dog you have hasn't learned either command yet... so using the verbal commands in a "crisis situation" will serve no useful purpose. Hopefully one of the rescue groups here can help you out. I'm sorry things didn't work out. Who knows what this poor dog's history is.. he may have been abused. It's a sad situation. |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 08/25/2008 10:12 AM |
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First let me say, you've only had him a few days - please give him time to adjust before you try to re-home him.... he may have been abused and needs time to realize that he's safe in your care. Neutering him will help with the marking issues.
Kathy where are you located? Can you please post some pix of him?
Thanks!
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, etc... www.ratbonerescues.com Fostermom to Oh Mickey and Prince Ratbone
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KathyGH

Rattie

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| 08/25/2008 10:13 AM |
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Thank you so much to you, Rattatty and to everyone who tried to help out- The problem with her turning her back on him is that he wants to hump her from the back- that's when he does it to my husband and me, too, but with us he gets down if we face him and say "NO!" He's just not intimidated by her at all. He actually seems to understand some commands. When we play with him, he'll lay down with the ball between his paws if we say "Down" , and occasionally he'll listen when I say it when he's on my daughter, but he won't stay down- praising him doesn't work, and like I said before, neither does food (I tried beggin' strips, milkbones and pieces of steak).
I can only imagine what the poor thing has gone through. He really needs someone who can spend the time to help him overcome his fear- I'm in tears about the whole situation. |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 08/25/2008 10:20 AM |
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Getting him neutered will also help the humping. Have your daughter carry a squirt gun or squirt bottle with her and every time he does that, have her turn around, squirt him and give him a FIRM NO! I have 6 Ratties, (2 are fosters) and the squirt bottle method works great for me. You can also use it if you see him raising his leg to mark, but you MUST catch him in the act or else the correction is not effective.
What state are you in if you don't mind me asking? |
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, etc... www.ratbonerescues.com Fostermom to Oh Mickey and Prince Ratbone
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rattytatty

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| 08/25/2008 10:26 AM |
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The squirt bottle of water is a great idea... but it will be hard to get a 7-year old to remember to keep it with her, so you as the responsible adult.. will have to do this... especially if turning your back to the dog yields no results. Sue -- she said she's in the northern New Jersey area. Any way Ratbones can help with this? |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 08/25/2008 10:29 AM |
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Well, I need a picture to verify it's a Rat before we can do anything... I'm thinking GAP maybe or if I can find an open fosterhome... let me see what I can do..........
He will need to be neutered and up-to-date on shots also before (if) we can take him. |
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, etc... www.ratbonerescues.com Fostermom to Oh Mickey and Prince Ratbone
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SuzieRedhead

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| 08/25/2008 10:30 AM |
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How old is he? And any additional info would be appreciated. Thanks! |
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, etc... www.ratbonerescues.com Fostermom to Oh Mickey and Prince Ratbone
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KathyGH

Rattie

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| 08/25/2008 11:23 AM |
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I'm in Clifton, NJ (corner of Passaic County near Essex/Bergen Counties). We took him to my friend's vet to see if he's microchipped (which he's not). The vet techs there said he looked like RT- though I can try to take a picture of him (I'm at work right now). They're the ones who said they think he's 2 or 3 years old (by the shape of his teeth). |
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KathyGH

Rattie

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| 08/25/2008 2:09 PM |
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Hi, SuzieRedhead-
I just put some pictures I took at lunch time in "photos:ratties" with the subject "Spot, part 1". I'm pretty sure he's Rat Terrier! I'm more than happy to pay for him to be neutered and see a vet, but I need someplace for him to go by the end of the week. I just can't let him in the house with my daughter- I have no place to confine him inside. Plus, this is very traumatic on the whole family and on the poor dog- first he loses his home, then he's with one family for a week, then my family- I'm sure he can't figure out what the heck is happening! |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 08/25/2008 2:15 PM |
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Kathy,
I cannot guarantee I can find a place for him to go by the end of the week. Finding available fosterhomes takes time. I understand your frustration, but please be patient while I try to work something out. In the meantime, please get him neutered and try the squirt bottle for correction. I have a few emails out, and will let you know when I hear something. For your information, my direct email address is suzie_redhead01@yahoo.com if you need to contact me directly.
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, etc... www.ratbonerescues.com Fostermom to Oh Mickey and Prince Ratbone
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Philo

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| 08/25/2008 2:33 PM |
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Here is an article from Dr Jon's Petplace.com on humping, maybe it can give a few ideas: petplace.com/dogs/humping/page1.aspx |
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Rattie Daddy to Cameo, Nala Belle, Cutter & Rattagan Foster Dad to Cricket (aka Philo)
"Beauty such as this is a gift, and I'm often in awe of this world we've been given." Mrs Bonnie |
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rattytatty

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| 08/25/2008 2:43 PM |
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| Can you not put him in a crate? |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 08/25/2008 2:46 PM |
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Kathy,
Please email me and I'll give you my phone number, ok? suzie_redhead01@yahoo.com we can talk sometime this week. |
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, etc... www.ratbonerescues.com Fostermom to Oh Mickey and Prince Ratbone
Who do YOU GoodSearch/GoodShop for? Go to www.goodsearch.com and type in Ratbone Rescues! |
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KathyGH

Rattie

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| 08/25/2008 4:07 PM |
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Hi, Nora-
The only crate I have right now is home to our bunny Benjamin- and I'm guessing that it probably wouldn't be a great idea for them to room together!!!! We tried containing him (the dog, that is) in the kitchen with a baby gate and a 3-foot high "puppy corral" but he jumps right over! He figured out how to get into my daughter's platform bed by jumping up onto her dresser, then into the bed! He's very smart, all muscle, and I swear he has springs in his feet! He just leaps straight up in the air like a cat! I caught him snooping around my counter-tops by using a kitchen chair. I have a friend who is going to loan me a crate and I'm going to see how he'll do. |
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rattytatty

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| 08/25/2008 4:27 PM |
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| I suspect he won't like it at first... so ask your friend if she's got some earplugs you can borrow! LOL Seriously.... be tough with the crate training. I think therein lies your answer, at least temporarily until something more permanent can happen. |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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PamWh

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| 08/25/2008 4:56 PM |
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| Ratties feed on our anxiety and excitement, so if there is any way you could be calm around him that might help him calm down too. Giving him commands in a calm, matter-of-fact voice would work better than an excited or angry voice. Good luck and I hope everything works out the best for your family and for Spot. |
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PamWh aka Bob's Mom
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KathyGH

Rattie

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| 08/26/2008 3:21 PM |
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uh.... Would you all hate me if I said I changed my mind and want to keep him??  |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 08/26/2008 3:23 PM |
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No way Kathy!! I think it's wonderful. He just needed time to adjust and I give you tons of credit for stepping back, taking a deep breath and wanting to help him.
We are here for you if and when you need help!! Good luck and thanks for letting us know!
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, etc... www.ratbonerescues.com Fostermom to Oh Mickey and Prince Ratbone
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alice4512

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| 08/26/2008 3:23 PM |
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I think that would be great, what changed?? |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
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DaisysMom

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| 08/26/2008 3:24 PM |
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| LOL...silly question. Of course not! How are things going? I think truly and sincerely if you can give him the time and training he needs and work on developing the right attitude for you and your family, then he will be ok - even better than ok, but it won't likely happen overnight |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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