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trotnin2000


Newbie
Newbie
05/13/2008 12:10 PM  

Against my better judgment, I bought a rat terrier for my (then pregnant) daughter-in-law for Christmas. Because of the demands of the baby, Patches needs some training and a family who has the time to love her and teach her the right way to be a dog. Patches got pregnant her first heat (in a by-chance meeting with a local Jack) and they have fell in love with one of the babies. I'm trying to keep my personal feelings out of this posting, but it's very difficult. My dogs are my family too, but they are talking about putting her down because of her bad habits.

Please is there someone who has the love and patience to give to this young dog? (She is only a little over a year old.) She is brown and very cute. I would train her myself, but I have a very rambunctious Boston and a part Chow and I don't think the breeds would mix. Please, please someone help me with Patches!! I begged a little time from the kids to try to find her a home. No children, please, she needs adult help first! You can email me at trotnin2000@hughes.net. I'm in Indiana.

swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
05/13/2008 12:14 PM  
So they are keeping a puppy and dumping the mom?! Wow. Is there anyway you could keep her and possible list her with the Ratbones Rescue site? Ratbones also may be able to help out, they have a website you can contact them through. ratbonerescues.com. Have they put any training into her? These are amazing dogs, but they are terriers, and with no training or attention can be a handful.

Sarah

Non teneas aurum totum quod splendet ut aurum

DaisysMom


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
05/13/2008 12:19 PM  
What "bad" habits does Patches have? Do you have a pic? And where in Indiana are you located.

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

The Animal Rescue Site


alice4512


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/13/2008 12:21 PM  

That is really heartless to put down the mother. She should have been spayed first off and what did they do in the way of obedience training? the dog will pay the ultimate price because owners did not work with her? This is a very intelligent breed, had Patches been taught some obedience this wouldn't be an issue. It really boggles my mind there are people in this world that think putting a dog down is an acceptable optionl. I won't even go into what I think of those people. This poor dog is a product of her enviroment. I don't know if stories like this make me madder than they  make me sad.

Also, what happens when the puppy grows up and does something they dont like?


The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too

~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~
trotnin2000


Newbie
Newbie
05/13/2008 12:35 PM  

She is only partially house trained. I'll try to locate a picture or call the kids. I'm located in Union City on the Ohio line east of Muncie. She also nips at everyone but the one I bought her from. She needs some socialization, attention, and probably everything a puppy needs to learn. She just hasn't had enough attention.

trotnin2000


Newbie
Newbie
05/13/2008 12:37 PM  

Thank you so much for the information. Honestly, I don't know if they know how to train a dog. As we all know, it takes a ton of work for us to teach them what we want them to do. (I definitely subscribe to there are no bad dogs.) I have had both rat and toy fox in my life and I love these little guys. It really breaks my heart. My other son has one, but he also has a Bull Mastiff and part Lab. We are definitely a dog lover family, but the rest of us are full up!

I will contact ratbones and see if they can help, too.

DaisysMom


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
05/13/2008 12:39 PM  
Definitely contact Ratbones! How are they planning to have her 'put down' - by a vet, or taking her to the pound?

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

The Animal Rescue Site


lynnygal


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/13/2008 12:42 PM  
Wow.....what a very sad situation for this pup. You know, this type of post tends to create alot of upset on this site. The people here are true animal lovers and treat their animals as part of their families....not as disposables. I think there are several lessons to be learned from this:

1. Do not give other people animals as gifts for any occasion
2. Get your pets spayed or neutered as soon as your vet feels they are old enough to do so
3. If you get a pet, realize they take time, effort and dedication and if left untrained and unattended to,
just like children, they become unruly
4. When you get a pet.....it's for life.....not just till you feel like you don't want them anymore

My only recommendation is that you contact Ratbones and get both the pup and mother to them so they can be rehomed into a forever home.

Lynn



--------------------- lynnygal ---------------------------------
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
05/13/2008 12:43 PM  
Please don't let her be put down over this. Thise "problems" are all owner related in my opinion, and to punish the dog is not fair. Please contact ratbones and keep us posted. If we can be of any more help, we will do our best.

Sarah

Non teneas aurum totum quod splendet ut aurum

alice4512


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/13/2008 12:44 PM  

Posted By lynnygal on 05/13/2008 12:42 PM
Wow.....what a very sad situation for this pup. You know, this type of post tends to create alot of upset on this site. The people here are true animal lovers and treat their animals as part of their families....not as disposables. I think there are several lessons to be learned from this:

1. Do not give other people animals as gifts for any occasion
2. Get your pets spayed or neutered as soon as your vet feels they are old enough to do so
3. If you get a pet, realize they take time, effort and dedication and if left untrained and unattended to,
just like children, they become unruly
4. When you get a pet.....it's for life.....not just till you feel like you don't want them anymore

My only recommendation is that you contact Ratbones and get both the pup and mother to them so they can be rehomed into a forever home.

Lynn

 

Lynn,

This is an excellent post.

 


The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too

~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~
trotnin2000


Newbie
Newbie
05/13/2008 12:49 PM  

I share your feelings. My two dogs are part of the family, as well as the third dog that died two years ago and I went into mourning. They are too young and too busy I think. She should have been taught, but I wonder how many people who have a dog have a clue how much time that it entails. We have a neighbor that keeps their puppy on a chain and it hardly ever gets any attention. It infuriates me! But all I can do is try to find this young dog a home with someone that has the patience to "untrain" her and "retrain" her.

rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
05/13/2008 12:50 PM  
Very well said, Lynn....
and I would definitely encourage them NOT to keep one of the pups! What's to say the pup won't suffer the same fate? PLEASE encourage them not to keep one of the puppies.
I'm hoping Ratbones Rescue can help out in this situation. Geez Louise...


~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ
Mitzy's Mom


Pack Leader
Pack Leader
05/13/2008 12:51 PM  
I will post this on Ratbone right now but Ratbone Rescue can only take her if the owners are willing to surrender her to them. They can also give her to you and YOU can surrender her to Ratbones or foster her under the GAP program. Information on both is available at www.ratbonerescues.org .

Mary Beth, mom to Mitzy, Mayfly, Skipper, Skeeter and Loco

RBR Foster Mom
www.ratbonerescues.com
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
05/13/2008 12:53 PM  
trotnin2000 -- you are doing what you should be doing in this situation. Certainly no one here is "judging" you. You are absolutely, tee-totally correct when you said "I wonder how many people who have a dog have a clue how much time that it entails". Most people honestly do NOT have a clue and even when they are enlightened to the fact that the dog needs at least SOME training... aren't willing to put forth the effort.
But that's life... and we can't fix it.
Hopefully your daughter-in-law will have better sense than to keep any of the puppies.


~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ
Mitzy's Mom


Pack Leader
Pack Leader
05/13/2008 1:03 PM  
Too young and too busy is no excuse. Sorry, I've heard that before. I can understand that they got in over their heads and need to find a home for her but to allow her to get pregnant and then to want to euthanize her is horrible! They certainly do not need a puppy.

If you can get with Ratbones and a foster family is available this little girl's life can be turned around. I'd take her myself if I didn't already have my 4 dogs and 1 foster dog.

Mary Beth, mom to Mitzy, Mayfly, Skipper, Skeeter and Loco

RBR Foster Mom
www.ratbonerescues.com
SuzieRedhead


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/13/2008 1:07 PM  
Posted By trotnin2000 on 05/13/2008 12:10 PM

Against my better judgment, I bought a rat terrier for my (then pregnant) daughter-in-law for Christmas. Because of the demands of the baby, Patches needs some training and a family who has the time to love her and teach her the right way to be a dog. Patches got pregnant her first heat (in a by-chance meeting with a local Jack) and they have fell in love with one of the babies. I'm trying to keep my personal feelings out of this posting, but it's very difficult. My dogs are my family too, but they are talking about putting her down because of her bad habits.

Please is there someone who has the love and patience to give to this young dog? (She is only a little over a year old.) She is brown and very cute. I would train her myself, but I have a very rambunctious Boston and a part Chow and I don't think the breeds would mix. Please, please someone help me with Patches!! I begged a little time from the kids to try to find her a home. No children, please, she needs adult help first! You can email me at trotnin2000@hughes.net. I'm in Indiana.



How would you know if they'd mix or not unless you take her and try?  Would you rather see her be euthanized than get that poor girl out of that situation and have more time to find her a safe place to go?  Also, if they didn't have time for the Momma, why would you think they'd have time for the puppy?  Puppies grow up to be adults and I'm afraid that dog will become just as disposable as the Momma once the puppy looses it's "cuteness"...


Sue Carello
Ratbone Rescues Fostermom and State Coordinator
www.ratbonerescues.com
dnorton


Obsessed
Obsessed
05/13/2008 1:23 PM  
So, they gonna "put down" their child when they can't "train" it. I'm sorry, but these people don't need children, much less animals! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr

Mimzy's Mom
RatBones Rescue Foster Mom
That Big Tall Gal Jay Married
Mother of Two
GrandMother of Three
Gardener
Ponder
RatsRule!


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/13/2008 5:17 PM  

trotnin2000- I beg of you .... please tell your son and daughter in law NOT to keep one of those pups!  If they were so irresponsible as to let Patches around other dogs when in heat and didn't bother to spay her - and are now willing to KILL her because they don't have time to train her....  what do you think is going to happen to that cute little pup when it starts to grow up without training & altering !??!?! 

I'm glad Patches has you trying to help save her, but I sure hope you refrain from purchasing any other pets for others in the future.  Especially if there is any inkling they might not be responsible owners!

Good luck Patches!! Chloe and I wish you the best!  

 


~~ Life is awesome when you share it with a couple of Ratties! ~~
Terri, proud mom of Chloe & Bonnie!
trotnin2000


Newbie
Newbie
05/13/2008 10:27 PM  

Just an update to all. I talked to my husband, and we are going to take Patches. At least she will learn her place among the pack and get some love and attention. Yes, yes, I learned my lesson. My youngest son is just like me. He loves his animals and treats them as members of his family. I bought him a Toy Fox for Christmas and Bailey will be 9 this year. He is a great "dad". But no more pets, period. If they want them, they have to be responsible. But I feel responsible for her, so we will do right by her. The poor little thing didn't ask to be brought into this world and has gotten a really rotten deal. Maybe we can make a difference for her.

yogis mom


Obsessed
Obsessed
05/13/2008 10:54 PM  

YAY TROT!

Lesson (painful one) learned....NEVER get a Family member a pet...ANY pet...unless you KNOW they are capable of nurturing pet for life!

Been there....learned same lesson the hard way!


Glad you are helping out Patches...any way you can disuade  them from keeping a pup?

Seems logical that they do NOT need to be pet owners..at least now.

To want to destroy an animal for "misbehaving" is NOT conducive to responsible pet-ownership. Nor caring. (pretty cold in my personal opinion)

 

If you end up feeling overwhelmed with Patches, Ratbones Rescue is your answer..they WILL place her in a GREAT loving home and one that will be the best for the dog. They are very careful in their screening processes.

Thanks for sharing your story and situation!~ Good luck to you and Patches!

 

Yogi's Mom...LadyDi

erniebenernie


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/13/2008 11:17 PM  
That's wonderful you're going to take Patches and give her a chance. I do still have to wonder about the puppies and keeping any of them with your son and daughter. The situation still remains, they have children. Are they planning on keeping any of the puppies?
Could you possibly convince them to find families for the puppies?

Vicki

~*~I'd rather own an inch of a rat terrier then a mile of a pedigree~*~
Mitzy's Mom


Pack Leader
Pack Leader
05/14/2008 4:26 AM  
Thank you for giving Patches a chance. If you need any advice/help on her training or integrating her into your pack please feel free to post here - we have many members with experience in this and also a great Training Moderator.

And please, try to find homes for those puppies. Your DIL does not need to screw up another dog and then want to throw it away. The same thing WILL happen with the pup that happened with Patches....

Mary Beth, mom to Mitzy, Mayfly, Skipper, Skeeter and Loco

RBR Foster Mom
www.ratbonerescues.com
gwacie


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/14/2008 7:02 AM  
Thank you for taking Patches in and working with her. Many here do rescue work so if you run into problems with integrating or retraining please feel free to post and we will try to help. Are you familiar with crate training at all (I know you have dogs but not sure what your background is)? It can really help with a dog that has not been properly house trained. As to the biting, I think I'd quickly put her on a 'work' program where she has to earn everything by her behavior (like the Nothing in Life is Free NILF method). It has always worked wonders here. Hugs to you for making the effort. I know you meant well giving the dog but as you discovered, some folks are just not good animal care givers.

If there is any way to dissuade them from keeping another dog (and not training it) please dissuade them. Barring that, please consider buying them a training package which, though not your responsibility, would be a huge kindness for this doomed puppy. As you know, they don't train themselves and if your family members are unwilling or unable to be responsible they will shortly have another badly behaved animal.

gwacie (Bethany)
http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
RatsRule!


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/15/2008 11:55 AM  

Chloe and I are so happy to hear that!  Yeah for Patches!!

Will you keep us posted on the pup they are keeping? 


~~ Life is awesome when you share it with a couple of Ratties! ~~
Terri, proud mom of Chloe & Bonnie!
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