myarger

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| 03/13/2008 9:29 PM |
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Hi,
We have a beautiful Decker rat terrier female (Roxi). She is of course spirited and is very strong. I have two children 7 and 5 that cannot handle her when she gets rowdy when playing. I am therefore looking for a home preferably with no small children since she is rough and should get to around 25+ pounds. I also do not recommend her for a family that has a cat since she has repeatedly jumped on ours. She was born 11/25 and is up to date on all shots. She came from Bluegrass Kennels in Scottsville Kentucky (check out his website to see the pups at play 4 weeks ago. I have done everything I know to do and this is my last option. I have had ratties in the past but I did not have the kids then. I am not looking for money I just want Roxi to go to a good home where she will be loved and well cared for.
Michael
Email at mlyarger@hotmail.com and I can forward some pictures if interested. |
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tauney4

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| 03/13/2008 9:32 PM |
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| have you taken her to any type training classes? my rattie always tries to beat up on the cats i have 3 and they 1 either fight back or jump away from her. |
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BETTYLOO35

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| 03/13/2008 9:33 PM |
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| bummer so sorry that you need to get her a new home. have you tried everything to calm her and your girls down? seems such a shame for her to lose you and you to lose her. |
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DaisysMom

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| 03/13/2008 9:34 PM |
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| I am sorry to hear it's not working out. Have you contacted the breeder? Many prefer that any of their pups be returned if things don't work out. If that's not the case here, I would suggest that you also contact Ratbone Rescues at www.ratbonerescues.com - they are a FANTASTIC organization that rescues ratties and places them in foster homes for adoption; however, in your case their Guardian Assistance Program might be the better option. Your Roxi would stay with you, where she is safe, while they post her on their site and get the word out to their very numerous contacts that she needs a new home. You can find more information on their website. |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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tauney4

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| 03/13/2008 9:36 PM |
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you are so awesome tracey!!!!  |
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myarger

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| 03/14/2008 7:54 AM |
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Thanks for the advice. I have contacted the breeder by email and have not heard back. We have not been to puppy school mainly because every evening is spent at the park (we do take Roxi) for Soccer and Inline Hockey. We may try to keep her after all. The boys and wife were both mad when they found out I am trying to get her a new home, although they are scared and mad at her constantly. I guess now they can be mad at me and the pup. Hopefully, they will get over their fear. I am going to find a puppy school to go to since they are already mad about me trying to locate a new home they can add being mad about missing games and practices to the list. |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 03/14/2008 8:05 AM |
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Posted By myarger on 03/14/2008 7:54 AM
Thanks for the advice. I have contacted the breeder by email and have not heard back. We have not been to puppy school mainly because every evening is spent at the park (we do take Roxi) for Soccer and Inline Hockey. We may try to keep her after all. The boys and wife were both mad when they found out I am trying to get her a new home, although they are scared and mad at her constantly. I guess now they can be mad at me and the pup. Hopefully, they will get over their fear. I am going to find a puppy school to go to since they are already mad about me trying to locate a new home they can add being mad about missing games and practices to the list.
If you decide to keep her it really sounds like she needs some training. Puppies really need this in order to know their place in the pack and their limitations (don't be too rough with children, etc.). A good trainer could work with you and your family together as the children need to be taught how to act with her, too.
Also, there are tons of tips in the training forum section here. And we have an excellent training moderator, Nora, who provide some online help for you.
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude at www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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Toni

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| 03/14/2008 8:09 AM |
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| Ratties are very smart and learn quickly. It does take patience and persistence with puppies but is well worth it. Good luck and hope everything works out so you can have many happy years with Roxi. |
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Toni Mom to Daisy, Ringo, Chance and Sophie |
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DaisysMom

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| 03/14/2008 8:10 AM |
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She's not quite 4 months old, correct? I'm glad that you think perhaps you might be able to work it out after all. Puppy classes will help. Are you crate training her? If not, I cannot recommend it strongly enough!!! If you look at the top of the training forum you will find two great posts on how to go about it. Keeping her on a leash in the house might be a good idea, as well. (Only when you are there to watch her, of course!) This way when things might be leaning towards getting out of control, you can offer a correction - for instance if Roxi attempts to jump on the girls - you could give a quick correction and say, "no jump" and have her come to you and sit, then immediately offer a treat for her good behavior. I'm sure we have tons of advice on how your Roxi can become your daughters' best friend! You will need to work with them as well regarding understanding puppy and dog behavior and setting some rules. Also, a good walk and exercise regimen will greatly help Roxi's ability to be more subdued in the house Good luck! Please keep us posted and ask any and all questions that you think might help your family!!!! P.S.: We need some pics (hint, hint)  |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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swatson6

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| 03/14/2008 9:36 AM |
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| Sounds like nothing a little training won't fix. She seems to have not learned her manners yet and she is a puppy. Just like kids they need us to teach them what is okay and what is not. I hope you are able to give her a chance. If not ratbones is the way to go. Like Tracey said.....We need pics!!! |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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PamWh

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| 03/14/2008 10:28 AM |
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Training the puppy is the first step in making her a valued family member. Don't take this the wrong way, but the kids also need to be trained in how to interact with the puppy. If they squeal or run away from her, she will think they are just playing with her. They need to learn how to make her behave and give her commands too so that she will see them as above her in the pack. |
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PamWh aka Bob's Mom
If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy! |
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ladyfern

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| 03/14/2008 10:42 AM |
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I too have a giant decker rat terrier named, Shiloh. She's a jumper to be sure but has been raised with 2 cats and 4 kids. I sense your frustration but rest assured this can work out and your family will get over their mad. It sounds as if you were trying to find a way to make everyone happy. If possible do try the puppy training classes, these little guys are so eager to please. As for hopping on the cats? That will work itself out in time too especially if you discourage it. Our two have very special relationships with their rattie, Cinder, a big black tom cat rules our roost with a mighty heavy paw and Shiloh has felt his wrath more than once due to her enthusiasm... the other cat Icky thinks play is supposed to be rough and if she has had enough she simply gets on something high up that Shiloh can't reach. When Shiloh was just a little thing and going wild. we kept her leash on her to calm her down and keep her under control. Perhaps the same would work for you and your young ones. Good luck and let us know how it goes. P.S. welcome to the site, you'll find lots of good information here.  |
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ladyfern & shiloh
If you want the best seat in the house ... move the dog!
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rattytatty

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| 03/14/2008 10:57 AM |
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Posted By PamWh on 03/14/2008 10:28 AM
Training the puppy is the first step in making her a valued family member.
Don't take this the wrong way, but the kids also need to be trained in how to interact with the puppy. If they squeal or run away from her, she will think they are just playing with her. They need to learn how to make her behave and give her commands too so that she will see them as above her in the pack.
I absolutely agree with this comment, Pam. Children can be intimidating to dogs.
Thank you for making the decision to train your rattie. These dogs are highly intelligent and catch on very quickly. They have often been referred to as "humans in dogs' bodies"... and this can be verified through any research you do on the breed. Adding a pup to your already hectic environment may not have been the wisest choice, but now that the choice is made... a commitment toward whatever it takes to allow this dog to become a well behaved and appreciated member of your family, will be worth the time and effort you put into it!
Please let us know if we can assist you in any way!
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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kp_in_scott

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| 03/15/2008 8:32 AM |
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I'm so glad you are gonna try and work things out with your rattie. The puppy days are very trying, especially with a large rattie that wants to PLAY! If you can work with her as described, she will probably calm down a great deal. Amos is now 1 year old and a LOT of the worst behaviors we had problems with have begun to work themselves out. EVERYBODY in my house resented Amos because of his rowdy behavior. Crate training saved us a lot of grief and I didn't start until he was probably almost 5 months old. Wishing you much luck and please keep us posted on how Roxy is doing. |
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tiggarat

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| 03/18/2008 3:20 AM |
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I have 2 Decker girls...their dad was from Bluegrass Kennels, Roxi and my girls could be related. I'm glad you are going to give her a second chance...she's just a puppy, and pups are hyper and wild and need training to calm them down a bit. My girls are over a year old and are settling down (maturing) into great dogs. Give Roxi time, training and a lot of love, and she will become an awesome part of your family.  |
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Lisabeth
furbabies: Lucy and Molly (1 1/2 yr old decker ratties), and Rosie (3 yr old dobie) Buddy - gone but never forgotten.
"I don't think he has any idea he's a dog, really. Of course, he thinks he has a rather odd figure for a man" - Dodie Smith |
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BobDog

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| 03/19/2008 12:01 PM |
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Gald you're going to keep trying with Roxi. She's still very young and just needs training.
Our rescue dog Jake is a jumper. (He's big too, maybe part Decker.) I'm so afraid that he's going to land on and hurt our little Chi Terrier Sami that I signed him and Chris up for classes at Petsmart.
There are several families there with their kids. It's a great way to teach the kids as well as the puppy!! The kids need to learn how to work with Roxi too.
It's only an hour a week and you can pick up supplies while you're there!! They have various days and times, so I'm sure you could find a time that fits into your schedule.
  
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myarger

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| 03/20/2008 6:45 PM |
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After another week, the youngest son does not like the dog and is acting out and I am afraid he is going to hurt the dog. To keep peace and sanity (my children came from Russia 8 months ago) I am going to have to give the dog to a loving home. She will be free and I have a PetSafe fence I will include. I am going to post pictures on one of the other sections subject will be Roxi--free to good home. Thanks for the advice and I have really enjoyed the site and the puppy for that matter. Michael |
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BobDog

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| 03/20/2008 7:07 PM |
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Michael,
Sorry to hear that it's not working out with Roxi and the kids. Did you adopt them from Russia? That's awesome!! My good friend has been helping orphans in Romania for 15 years. I've seen that some of the kids from from these countries have difficulties. How are they doing otherwise?
So did you ever hear back from the breeder regarding Roxi?
If somebody doesn't pop right up to adopt her Ratbones is a great way to go.
  
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myarger

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| 03/20/2008 7:24 PM |
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| Thanks, They had been doing good until the dog came. My oldest loves her but he does not really have much to do with her. The youngest is either terrified or trying to attack the dog. I think the cat would be fine. We were very lucky on our adoption. They are for the most part extremely healthy and have picked up English quickly and are great students -- Until the Roxi came. I will check out ratbones. I have left a message for the breeder a minute ago at his home, but my email went without response. I do remember that he was having computer troubles when I picked her up. |
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DaisysMom

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| 03/20/2008 7:27 PM |
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| Michael: Also, where are you located? |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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myarger

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| 03/20/2008 7:44 PM |
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| Sorry, We are in Gallatin TN which is a suburb of Nashville. |
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LadyLes

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| 03/20/2008 8:06 PM |
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| Would you consider Ratbone's GAP program? That is where they list the dog on their website while you keep her until they find a good home. Pups usually go fast. There are others here that probably know more about it than I do... |
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There is nothing better than wine and chocolate! ~Ashley~ |
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BETTYLOO35

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| 03/20/2008 9:16 PM |
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| Glad you tried and so sad that it isnt working out. Im in Ohio and if i could i would take her. I hope someone will take her who can offer her a loving home as she is a puppy she should adjust well to new owners. my prayers are with her. |
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tauney4

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| 03/20/2008 9:23 PM |
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| i am sorry you are having trouoble but i have to agree with everyone else..give her some training. but i wish you the best of luck in finding her a forever home. all that i ask is that you dont take her to a kill shelter please!!!!!!!! |
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Baileydukedavis

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| 03/20/2008 9:50 PM |
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| Hey I maybe interested. I am in NC and I am looking to adopt a new Rattie. Is she fixed?? Send me a IM and we can talk more about it. Do you have any pictures of her?? |
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"If your dog doesn't like someone you probably shouldn't either." - Unknown
Bailey Duke Tazman Davis, Sydney Grace Davis and Chance Tazman Davis. |
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tauney4

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| 03/20/2008 9:53 PM |
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| her email address is at the bottom of her post trying emailing her and see what happens |
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RattieGurl0102

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| 03/20/2008 10:13 PM |
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I am sorry to hear that you may need to get rid of your rattie. Mine ir very high strung, and LOVES to pounce on our older dog, Licorice, Licorice is 9 and she has arthritis in her right hip, and Daisy has so much fun jumping on her, and she barks at new people that enter the house. I was pretty upset that she wouldn't stop pouncing on our other dog. But I have not given her up. I take her on walks every night, and is seems to wear her down a little bit. I think if you and your kids kind of "bond" with her a little bit, and take her for a walk, and then when she gets home, she might want to take a nap, and maybe have the kids pet her, and kind of settle her down, so Roxi thinks that being around the kids means that she needs to settle down, and not be so wild. Taking her for a walk might not COMPLETELY take all of her energy out of her, but it should settle her down some. It works with my rattie, and she is 1 yr. old. ( Well, she is one year and 4 days. ) I am only 12, and I can tell you, I am not an expert at this, but I deal with this quite a bit around my place, and if you try it out, maybe it'll help.  |
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tiggarat

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| 03/21/2008 1:52 AM |
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| I'd take her in a heartbeat, if I could have another dog...I hope you are able to find her a forever home. |
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Lisabeth
furbabies: Lucy and Molly (1 1/2 yr old decker ratties), and Rosie (3 yr old dobie) Buddy - gone but never forgotten.
"I don't think he has any idea he's a dog, really. Of course, he thinks he has a rather odd figure for a man" - Dodie Smith |
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myarger

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| 03/24/2008 7:33 AM |
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Just to give everyone an update. Roxi went back to Bluegrass Kennels on Saturday. They are really wonderful people there and I can't say enough good things about them. She was happy she still had a brother and sister there from her litter. Thanks to Tracey who posted my pictures of Roxi in the other thread and just to let everyone know I did not want to give her up but I had to do what was best for my adopted children. The youngest was really having trouble with the pup. Not that he did not want to play with her but he did not understand how to play with her. He would get rough so Roxi would and of course the puppy would win the battle. When he showed fear she just kept coming and I was afraid one of them was going to get hurt. We will wait to he gets adjusted and try socialize him with some other dogs before acquiring another puppy (probably not for a few years). Anyway I am sad. I loved the little pup and she was definitely going to be mine. Thanks to all who gave advice and offered to help. I will continue to read the posts and hopefully I will be able to offer sound advice or help someone else in the future. Thanks, Michael |
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DaisysMom

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| 03/24/2008 8:04 AM |
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Michael: Thanks so much for the update. I'm glad the breeder was able and willing to take Roxi back. I can only imagine the many issues that must accompany adopting foreign children, especially at your children's ages. Hopefully in the future, when they are older and have had more time to adjust, you will be able to add a dog to your family and teach them all of the joys that can add. Of course, I would hope also that you will still consider a rat terrier --- maybe even a rescued one Please feel free to stick around! Sending tons of good wishes your way !!! |
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