spence9118
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| 02/26/2008 3:53 PM |
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Just read this add and you will understand! I cant believe how stupod some people are!
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=218&ad=2636142&cat=&lpid=
$50.00
Rat Terrier Male Dog
Ogden, UT 84404 - Feb 9, 2008
Eight months old. Gimpy is not fixed. When he was born, his right leg was deformed. He hops around on 3 legs. He is kennel trained. He is a very good dog. He has his paperwork for UKCI. So he could be a stud. He is a really cute dog. Just a bit handicapped but you would never know it. We were going to keep him for a older lady (my mother), but she was unable to take care of two dogs. We have two rat terriers already.
Umm okay he was born with a deformed leg and they think he would be a good stud? WOW!
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Erica- Charlie and Tucker's Mommy
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PamWh
Rattitude Problem
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| 02/26/2008 4:12 PM |
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| I guess they don't think that was genetic? Maybe it was damaged during birth? |
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PamWh
aka Bob's Mom
If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy! |
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spence9118
Terrier Terror
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| 02/26/2008 4:20 PM |
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| Oh it is genetic they had another post about it that they removed after people emailed them syaing that he could not be a stud. So they changed this one. |
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Erica- Charlie and Tucker's Mommy
www.myspace.com/ricka9118
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winnihoohoo
Bratty Ratty
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| 02/26/2008 8:04 PM |
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| OMG, Poor little guy. So did they amputate his leg? Goodness, some people! |
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tauney4
Pack Leader
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| 02/26/2008 8:14 PM |
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| so all in all he would not be a good stud but would be a great assest to someone s family and go to a forever home. i bet he is really cute. you really cant see anything the picture is so blurry. but he looks cute enough. |
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Aubers
Terrier Terror
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| 02/26/2008 8:50 PM |
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| This might sound dumb... but saying a handicap dog cant be a stud startles me... does that mean handicap people shouldnt mate/breed? Im confused, why exactly does it matter? sorry just confused, dont know much about this... |
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Aubrey
*Corona's Mommy*
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tauney4
Pack Leader
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| 02/26/2008 9:00 PM |
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| i dont know about this subject either i think they are just wanting to get rid of him if you ask me. stupid people |
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SYLVIA
Ratterific
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| 02/26/2008 9:44 PM |
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I LOGGED ON SO YOU WOULDN'T BE BY YOURSELF |
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tauney4
Pack Leader
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| 02/26/2008 10:09 PM |
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| so why cant a handicapped dog breed? |
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Cyrus2007
Newbie
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| 02/26/2008 10:22 PM |
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You're not supposed to breed dogs if they have a genetic disorder because it will get passed on. People don't want to BUY dogs with genetic disorders, so breeders don't breed dogs with disorders. Dogs aren't like people. You don't SELL people...I would hope not anyway...Does that make sense?
I have a friend that has a Golden with hip problems and cronic ear infections and she refuses to get him fixed cuz she wants to breed him.
I also know a lady who breeds dogs, and she had just gotten a new stud, bred him once, found out he had a disorder and got rid of him. I just don't get it. They are PETS...I don't understand why you wouldn't just get them fixed if it was such a problem? You don't stop loving them!
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tauney4
Pack Leader
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| 02/26/2008 10:29 PM |
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| well people are stupid.even if htey have a disorder i would still love my dog you learn to live with it, treat it and go on and take them to the vet when needed. so if people have a disorder do you get rid of htem too? take them to a nursing home or such and forget about them? |
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Cyrus2007
Newbie
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| 02/26/2008 10:44 PM |
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Unfortunately some breeders see their animals as disposable because they are only in it to make money. Not for the pleasure of the animal. I mean, it doesn't even have to be a disorder. It could be the wrong size, or the wrong color etc. But it's a dog-eat-dog world.
This is REALLY sad, but in my Child Develpment class the other day my professor was actually talking about an institution they used to have in the neighboring town where you could take your children with disorders. And they wouldn't recieve the quality care they need like positive human interaction, and nurturing and things like that, which in turn leads to larger problems. Thankfully places like that have been shut down. I hate to say it, but things like this PROBABLY happen to humans as well. Some people just don't....I don't really know what I'm trying to say...but they just aren't as caring?
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talatzkomom
Ratastic
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| 02/27/2008 12:06 AM |
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saddly its because its just $$$$ and Cents! if people are in the BREEDING! market,a stud that is NOT going to make them $$$!!! is expendable!! PET quality PUPS are and expence not a profit....and if there is no profit...well your OUT OF BUSINESS!!! not many breeders are in it to make a LOSS!  there is not a lot of reputable(good) breeders that JUST make PET QUALITY rats, MOST want SHOW quality,(I should hope so)And sell the pet quality...Keep the show stock! well I should hope so! or this breed is NEVER GOING to achieve AKC conformation statice |
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Da'Boys! L'Caesar,Cash-Man,Polo,& ShamusO'Reiley Black N White Rules! |
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Mitzy's Mom
PAWesome
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| 02/27/2008 7:00 AM |
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Posted By Aubers on 02/26/2008 8:50 PM
This might sound dumb... but saying a handicap dog cant be a stud startles me... does that mean handicap people shouldnt mate/breed? Im confused, why exactly does it matter? sorry just confused, dont know much about this...
A dog that can pass something on genetically to it's offspring should not be bred. For example, a dog with luxating patellas can pass on the tendancy for this and the resulting puppies suffer - just ask Janie and Phil who have had to deal with Rattagan being in pain and lame from this condition. Same with bad hips (not common in ratties but in some large breeds) - this is a painful condition - just ask Jan aka Katie's Mom whose lab has this. These dogs are suffering from these medical conditions - why would a breeder breed a dog knowing they could pass this on and cause pain and suffering in the puppies?
Now, true, Rattagan and Dixie (Jan's lab) are well cared for and have everything they need to control and correct their conditions done for them. But you wouldn't want to purposely put a dog through this - this is why dogs need genetic testing done on them before breeding and why dogs with any genetic conditions should not be bred. It's really very simple.
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude
at www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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tauney4
Pack Leader
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| 02/27/2008 7:24 AM |
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| but if i dog has a handicapp then people are stupid for giving away their pet they can love it just the same if it was normal. would you stop loving a family member if they were handicapp? this is all i am going to say for this, to me this subject is getting way to deep and we dont want to open a can of worms all the way. can we just close this subject please? |
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Mitzy's Mom
PAWesome
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| 02/27/2008 7:30 AM |
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I'm just discussing the aspect of breeding a dog with a genetic condition.
Of course you shouldn't get rid of a dog with a handicap!! They are still wonderful pets! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude
at www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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DaisysMom
Moderator
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| 02/27/2008 7:32 AM |
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I'll just agree with the above posts. Dogs are not people (despite our urges at times to treat them as such). Dogs do not have the human emotions associated with "breeding" and creating offspring, for them it's nothing more than a basic instinctive biological function in place to guarantee the survival of the species (not the breed). Since humans have domesticated dogs and created specific breeds based on our needs, it is now our responsibility - and will be forever more - to see to it that they breed "appropriately".
I hate to be harsh, but in reality this is not a bad thing done by humans to dogs. If dogs were on their own in the wild, diseased, deformed, or disabled dogs would likely never reproduce. They would die at birth or very early into their lives either because their own mother would not care for them, or they would be prey for some other animal, or because they could not fend for themselves. That's nature. So, take heart that many, many dogs who would otherwise never have lived actually have fantastic lives (blind, 3 legs, deaf, etc.) because Humans take them and love them and provide for them. (That's the glass half-full way of looking at it.) Just to point out that dogs have benefitted greatly from the relationship with humans. It's not always bad ... just look at our ratties.
As a p.s., I'm still hoping the AKC takes a good long time (if ever) to approve ratties as a "real" breed. I think it's going to make things worse, not better. |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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Mitzy's Mom
PAWesome
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| 02/27/2008 7:36 AM |
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| Amen to the AKC taking a long time to approve ratties! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude
at www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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Aubers
Terrier Terror
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| 02/27/2008 7:40 AM |
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| After reading some of these, I understand. It all makes sence when you think of it that way. I gues when I think of breeding I alway think of making pets, not agility/show dogs. But I completely understand now. Thanks guys :0) |
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Aubrey
*Corona's Mommy*
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spence9118
Terrier Terror
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| 02/27/2008 2:10 PM |
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| Sorry this was so confunsing. These people have been trying to sell this dog for a long time. They first had him up for 200 and said he could be s stud since it was very unlkely that this genetic disorder could happen again, then after people emailed them saying he should not be bred they took off the genetic part and lowered the price trying to get someone to buy him. I just hope they find him a good home and whoever gets him is smart and has him neutered. |
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Erica- Charlie and Tucker's Mommy
www.myspace.com/ricka9118
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