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DaisysMom


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<b>Moderator</b>
01/01/2008 7:59 AM  
Artie: I don't believe anyone is saying that you're a "bad" person or that your home is a "bad" one, just that perhaps it's not the right home for Sadie. Sadie obviously provides a few challenges that you are having problems addressing so I think by "good" home (and Morgan wasn't the only one who said it) what is meant is a home that can more proactively address Sadie's "issues".

I do commend you for stepping up and offering and for keeping her until she can be placed into a real home and not just dumping her off a shelter. I can't stress taht enough!!

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
01/01/2008 9:20 AM  
I'm thankful that Artie didn't keep her... don't think that was the best choice and he recognized it. Thanks for NOT taking her to a shelter. I think we all recognized that you were having some ups and downs with the situation... things work out for the best.
bethann


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
01/01/2008 11:13 AM  
This post is just breaking my heart. This poor little dog. I also think that everyone is getting a little defensive. I'm sure everyone tried their best. And are obviously doing what's best for her now. It makes me so sad because I would LOVE to take her, but just can't right now. Nickle's Mom, God Bless you for taking her in.

Beth, Sadies pooper scooper
LadyLes


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
01/01/2008 1:13 PM  
I agree Bethann...I think that everyone is over reacting just a little bit about this situation. Yes, it is sad, but the bottom line is everyone involved is trying to do the best for Sadie and for their other dogs. I think Nickle's Mom is a saint for stepping up to help Artie, and I commend Artie for doing what he feels is the right thing for Sadie and BB.

There is nothing better than wine and chocolate!
~Ashley~
bethann


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
01/01/2008 1:50 PM  
I commend Artie as well. It takes a lot to be a big person and admit that you can't do something. He didn't just drop Sadie off at a shelter which is great. God bless everyone for doing what is best for precious Sadie. I think Nickle's Mom is a saint as well.

Beth, Sadies pooper scooper
PamWh


Rattitude Problem
Rattitude Problem
01/01/2008 3:42 PM  
Artie, I'm glad you tried to give Sadie a home and I'm sorry it didn't work out. I hope that Sadie does better at Nickel's Mom's house. Artie, please stay on the site and let us know how you and BB are doing. We'd like pictures of BB as well.

PamWh
aka Bob's Mom

If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!
vlrms3


Rattie
Rattie
01/01/2008 4:42 PM  
UH OH............please everyone Artie is a very good man. He did the best he could...
If anyone wants to blame anyone blame me for getting her in the first place though i wouldn't trade it for anything.
Things will work out...Sadie will be fine. She is not going to a shelter. No one is going to let that happen. It is my understanding that patricia is getting her this weekend from Artie. Patricia has assured me that she will keep me updated on Sadie.
Artie's heart is breaking right now.....
LadyLes


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
01/01/2008 4:45 PM  
AWWWW...that makes me so sad for him. Everyone needs to BE NICE! We aren't in his shoes.

There is nothing better than wine and chocolate!
~Ashley~
PamWh


Rattitude Problem
Rattitude Problem
01/01/2008 4:58 PM  
I feel for Artie. I'm sure he tried his best and I hate that he feels he failed Sadie. I'm glad Patricia is taking her and I hope everything works out for the best for everyone concerned.

PamWh
aka Bob's Mom

If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!
ARTIE


Rattie
Rattie
01/01/2008 5:10 PM  
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ARTIE


Rattie
Rattie
01/01/2008 5:23 PM  
WHEN VICKI GAVE ME SADIE I FELT BAD FOR HER GUESSING HOW SHE MUST HAVE FELT TO WATCH HER LITTLE SADIE GO. NOW I HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING AND WATCH SADIE'S LITTLE FACE LOOKING AT ME AND WONDERING WERE I'M GOING WITHOUT HER.THIS IS NOT EASY MY EYES ARE TEARING UP JUST WRITING THIS. BUT IT HAS TO BE FOR BOTH DOGS SAKES. BB DON'T EVEN WAT TO PLAY BALL WITH ME ANYMORE AND WE PLAYED EVERYDAY. I'M NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING THIS.
I HOPE PATRICA HER HUBBY AND HER RATTY'S WILL MAKE SADIE FORGET VICKI , ME AND BB.
THATS RIGHT FOKES!! I'M CRYING RIGHT NOW JUST THINKING OF OF DOING THIS. LOVE TO ALL ARTIE
LadyLes


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
01/01/2008 5:26 PM  
Artie...you have my support and you, Sadie, BB and all involved are in my prayers. This is obviously not easy for you.

There is nothing better than wine and chocolate!
~Ashley~
yogis mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
01/01/2008 6:13 PM  

WOW!  Rescue-Drama! I actually read all of this thread!

JMHO...but don't "get" the many "kill-shelter" comments on here???? From the get-go could clearly read that these two doggie-lovers were NOT the "dump-at-a-shelter" kind of people! Jeez!..I think I might be a little bit "put off" if I were congratulated for not dumping a difficult dog at a shelter....um, just saying.

And don't comprehend the "poor Sadie" either? Sounds like she is a VERY lucky little dawg! She has two humans who love her and want the best for her And A NEW Human who also wants her!!! Whew!!! AND has already had two great loving homes to date! Lucky little dawg!

Think "Artie" is a helluva guy to take on a new dog-personality and then admit it is not a safe enjoyable fit. Like roommates. Doesn't always work out.

Glad to read that so many wanted to help them all reach a good place!!!

Artie's dog BB is a lucky dawg too!!!

Hugs to Artie, BB, AND Lucky Sadie!!!

HAPPY 2008!

LadyLes


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
01/01/2008 6:15 PM  
That's a good way of putting it Yogi's Mom.

There is nothing better than wine and chocolate!
~Ashley~
LadyLes


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
01/01/2008 6:15 PM  

Sorry...double post!


There is nothing better than wine and chocolate!
~Ashley~
Azrats


Obsessed
Obsessed
01/01/2008 6:28 PM  
I feel with Artie, I own a pushy dog who is a BIG challenge. Her personality needs so much attention, and it takes a special person to even take on such a tenacious rat. I had the same thing happen with my other dogs when I got Frankie, it took 3 months and two seperate yards to prevent fighting as well as an obiedence class to get all my dogs balanced out and happy again. I commend you for trying artie, and I know how hard it is to let a dog go. Thank you for loving sadie as best as you could, and realizing how much more you could give BB and Sadie by getting Sadie a new home.

And as we lie beneath the stars
We realize how small we are
If they could love like you and me
Imagine what the world could be~Nickleback
For my dogs teach me everyday, and in their eyes I see the person I strive to be-Karen, about Camper
Katie'sMom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
01/01/2008 6:49 PM  

Okay, been out of the loop on ths. It takes a big person to ask for help and that is what Artie is doing. Artie, I don't think Morgan meant to say your home was not a good home -- just not a good situation with the personalilties of your dogs. I think it was awesome you tried with Sadie and I think it is awesome to step up and say it's not working and to be trying so hard to find the right home for Sadie (Morgan is a sweet girl, and I know she was not meaning to offend). I know this must be very hard for you and it must be hard for Vicki too -- everyone is a little stressed over the situation -- so let's all take a deep breath and know that the forces are all at work to find Sadie the right home. And, she will get over all of this when she is settled into her home and gets the right match of personalities (doggie and human). She will find her home and settle in and be a happy girl. She definitely is a loved little girl, as both Artie and Vicki seem to care for her and so do lots of people on this board. Over the last few weeks, I find myself saying "this too shall pass" very often. I will say it here -- this too shall pass -- Sadie will be settled in a home and everyone will know that they all did what they could to help this little girl. Let's all be a little kinder to ourselves and each other  (remember we are only human, we can only do what we can do) and know that everyone has a common goal - a home for Sadie!


Check out Katie Scarlett and Company, KS's new site (includes magazine):
Katie Scarlett and Company

And email her at:
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vlrms3


Rattie
Rattie
01/01/2008 7:37 PM  
Artie...........it is going to be fine. Patricia sounds just like the right parent for Sadie and with her two rattie boys sadie will have two brothers instead of a sister who is jealous of her as was the case for both of us.
And yes, it was hard to give Sadie to you but I know she has had a great time there having all that freedom and attention you gave her so hold your head up....be proud and know that we both, along with everyone else want what is best for Sadie.
Again, thank you all for your undying support over the past couple of months.
all my best,
Vickie
yogidiogi


Ratterific
Ratterific
01/01/2008 8:14 PM  
Aww I agree with the last few posts, it's not always a great fit and honestly, if I took in a dog that was making Yogi unhappy it would be hard for me make it work because I first and foremost have made a commitment to him and his happiness. Not that I wouldn't give it my all, but it sounds like this situation is going to work out just fine and Yogi's mom is right, this is a lucky dog! They are much more adaptable to new homes than we give them credit for and I bet she'll find a place she can thrive. This online community is awesome and unique that there's people we can turn to when in need and a helping hand with our dogs is always nearby.
Morgan


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
01/01/2008 8:55 PM  
Posted By ARTIE on 01/01/2008 7:49 AM

SADIE IS IN A GOOD HOME !!!!  I RASIED BB FROM A PUP AND SHE IS A WELL ADJUSTED DOG AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY. MY MASTAKE WAS THINKING BB WOULD LIKE A PLAY MATE. I WAS WRONG SO MORGAN , DON'T BE SO QUICK TO JUDGE.



Oh Artie!  I am SO sorry that my comment came across the wrong way.    I did not mean that Sadie was in a "bad home" while she was with you.  I in fact think you are a great person for being patient and taking care of Sadie until you are able to find a home that works for Sadie.  And, you are also a good person for taking Sadie in the first place.  I know that you only meant for the best.  When I said "good home"  I just meant that when Sadie finds a home that she fits into better, things will probably calm down some and she will fit in nicely.  I know that until she finds a new home, she is in a good home for now.    Please forgive me if I worded my previous comment the wrong way.


-Morgan (Bella's Mommy)
ARTIE


Rattie
Rattie
01/01/2008 9:25 PM  

I'M SORRY ALSO MORGAN , I WAS JUST UPSET IN GENERAL.

I JUST LOST MY WIFE OF 491/2  YEARS IN MAY 2006 WITH BREAST CANCER AND SOME- HOW THIS THING WITH SADIE TOOK OVER MY EMOTIONS. MY WIFE WANTED ME TO HAVE A DOG SO I WOULD NOT BE ALONE AND BB WAS IT, WHEN MY WIFE SAW BB SHE NAMED HER BOTTON'S & BOW'S  DON'T KNOW WHY, SO I CALL HER BB.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT   ARTIE XOXO

Morgan


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
01/01/2008 9:31 PM  
Situations like these are NEVER easy! You are just trying to do what is best for Sadie AND BB and that is what is important. No one can blame you for that.

-Morgan (Bella's Mommy)
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
01/02/2008 7:04 AM  
Posted By yogis mom on 01/01/2008 6:13 PM

WOW!  Rescue-Drama! I actually read all of this thread!

JMHO...but don't "get" the many "kill-shelter" comments on here???? From the get-go could clearly read that these two doggie-lovers were NOT the "dump-at-a-shelter" kind of people! Jeez!..I think I might be a little bit "put off" if I were congratulated for not dumping a difficult dog at a shelter....um, just saying.

And don't comprehend the "poor Sadie" either? Sounds like she is a VERY lucky little dawg! She has two humans who love her and want the best for her And A NEW Human who also wants her!!! Whew!!! AND has already had two great loving homes to date! Lucky little dawg!

Think "Artie" is a helluva guy to take on a new dog-personality and then admit it is not a safe enjoyable fit. Like roommates. Doesn't always work out.

Glad to read that so many wanted to help them all reach a good place!!!

Artie's dog BB is a lucky dawg too!!!

Hugs to Artie, BB, AND Lucky Sadie!!!

HAPPY 2008!

 

Ok, Sadie is going to a good home now and everything should be fine.  I DID want to address this comment that was made (highlighted above).  YogisMom, you're relatively new to the site and may have missed a rather horrible situation that we members went through a few weeks ago.  This situation is what is causing the "kill shelter" comments and there may be times in the future when these comments are made so I'll fill you in.

A new person signed on and posted in the Training Forum (please note - the TRAINING forum) asking for training help with her rattie.  The rattie had apparently nipped the woman's child.  She said nothing about asking for her finding another home for the dog - she said she wanted TRAINING help.  So we helped/advised/gave opinions as best we could.

She then later posts (I don't remember the time in between posts) that she had taken the dog to animal control (kill shelter) and they were euthanizing the dog as it "was agressive"....of course going only on this woman's word.  The time in between her post on her asking for training help and the day she took the dog to animal control was only a FEW DAYS.  If she had told us she needed to find a home for the dog we would have tried to help her, tell her about Ratbones Rescue, Petfinder, etc. if no one on here was interested in taking the dog.  But instead she simply dumped the dog off to be killed.

THAT is what all the "kill shelter" comments are about.


Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude
Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
01/02/2008 10:49 AM  
Wow, this is so sad. Please let us know how Sadie settles in with two new brothers! It may be all she needs, two women are a handful! lol Artie, you are doing what is right here for all of you.

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
01/02/2008 12:09 PM  

Thanks, Mary Beth. I started to address this, but felt it was best to just let it drop... but I'm glad you did. Also... please remember Pepper's parents who "didn't have time for him anymore" and took him to a kill shelter. I went to get him on Friday.. he was scheduled to be euthanized Monday a.m. He now has a loving home with Mario07 (Shannon) and Mario.

So if we appear to be a bit sensitive to the "kill shelter" scenarios... please understand. None of us really knew Artie, but realized he was having issues one day and deciding to rehome Sadie... the next day or so he would decide to keep her. It appeared to be a roller coaster type of situation... and from my experience (and I'm OLD and have lots of experience... haha)... people can sometimes end up so frustrated, emotional, and "at wit's end" that they do the quickest, easiest, spur of the moment thing which is to take the dog to a shelter. (which is exactly what happened in Pepper's case).  All of us here were so thankful that Artie did NOT do that.   

So after having "lived" through many of these situations where it DOES happen and HAS happened, we were all thrilled that Artie was making the decision NOT to do that.

Not sure if this makes sense.. but it is what it is.
Now... the end result is that the best decision has obviously been made and Sadie has been accepted into a new, forever home. It's a happy ending and that's what we need to be concentrating on.. regardless of the reasons behind the decision.

rattagan's mom


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
01/02/2008 12:20 PM  
Artie, you are great, caring guy. And I appreciate all you are doing to make sure Sadie finds the home that is right for her. I also agree Sarah, 2 women are handful and then some. lol Bless you for what you have done for Sadie and for what you are doing for her now. You and Vicki have done your best, and your best is all anyone can ask. My tears fall with yours, because I know your heart is breaking. May the Great Spirit bless you and BB and Sadie with a beautiful year and many more for the future.

Janie,
Ratty,Cameo,Cutter and Nala Belle's Mom

Show your furbaby how much you love them brush their teeth today! It saves them pain "tomorrow." Janie L.
yogis mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
01/02/2008 2:35 PM  
Thanks Mary Beth for the clarification on why some on here seemed to fear a shelter-dumping in the Sadie situation.

Wow!Just read that story..... That poor little dog (so misnamed)"Lucky"...!! How terrible!!! Can't figure some people out.....hard NOT to be jaded sometimes!

Like my Yogi...he was tossed over a (12' fence) at a rural shelter (kill shelter) late at night. (Least it was at a shelter and not into a dumpster.)

But also..reading the reactions of both Vickie & Artie one can sense they would never do that or even come close!

Sounds like Artie has has a rough time this past year! Hope he and his BB have a better 2008 and are able to now relax.
And...Sounds like little Sadie is going to be more than fine!

So wonderful that there are so many folks here who are willing to jump in and help out!
Great community!
Happy New Year! LD & Yogi
momto3


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
01/02/2008 3:19 PM  
Posted By yogis mom on 01/01/2008 6:13 PM

WOW!  Rescue-Drama! I actually read all of this thread!

JMHO...but don't "get" the many "kill-shelter" comments on here???? From the get-go could clearly read that these two doggie-lovers were NOT the "dump-at-a-shelter" kind of people! Jeez!..I think I might be a little bit "put off" if I were congratulated for not dumping a difficult dog at a shelter....um, just saying.

And don't comprehend the "poor Sadie" either? Sounds like she is a VERY lucky little dawg! She has two humans who love her and want the best for her And A NEW Human who also wants her!!! Whew!!! AND has already had two great loving homes to date! Lucky little dawg!

Think "Artie" is a helluva guy to take on a new dog-personality and then admit it is not a safe enjoyable fit. Like roommates. Doesn't always work out.

Glad to read that so many wanted to help them all reach a good place!!!

Artie's dog BB is a lucky dawg too!!!

Hugs to Artie, BB, AND Lucky Sadie!!!

HAPPY 2008!

DITTO..

treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
01/02/2008 6:54 PM  
Becuse Im on vacation, I just want to stop in a get an update on Sadie....everyone involved seems to truly want whats best for her! YAY! So...whens the transfer? this weekend?

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
Ratbone Rescues Database Manager
and Applications Coordinator

vlrms3


Rattie
Rattie
01/02/2008 10:26 PM  
Patricia is supposed to call Artie tomorrow to work out the arrangements for the weekend. PLEASE send posiitve thoughts that this will be Sadie's forever home....thanks
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