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vlrms3


Rattie
Rattie
12/16/2007 10:51 AM  

Sad news about Sadie. Artie is not going to be able to manage her and asks that I take her back which is what he and I agreed upon from the beginning. 
This is really sad as we all want to believe in happy endings!! 
I believe that I was too rigid with Sadie and Artie is too laid back and he cannot bring himself to crate her at night but wants her to sleep with him and BB. Thing is if he leaves the doggie dog open she goes out does her business and then barks at 2 or 3am. If he closes the doggie door she peepees on the floor. She was used to being crated at night and was always dry in the morning so I think this is a behavioral thing. Additionally, she is very demanding of his attention and his other rattie does not like that.......Same problem I had so perhaps Sadie is best suited to be the only dog in the house? 
I am going to be out of the state and or country until January 24th. Artie has agreed to keep Sadie until that time. 
Meanwhile, I would ask that if anyone knows of a home where they think Sadie would be happy and well cared for please contact me at vlr3@aol.com If i cannot find her a better home I will take her back as it is my responsibilty but this will be difficult to do as my Macy has just gotten to where she trusts me again and loves being the only dog in the house herself. She is back to her friendly cuddly self and I hate to see her miserable again....something I think Artie is struggling with with Sadie and BB. Sadie is really a good dog. She is just being a rattie and needs the right home environment and structure.........I live in CT if anyone is interested and Artie lives right accross the border in NY.

All my best,
Vickie

vlrms3


Rattie
Rattie
12/16/2007 11:07 AM  
I forgot there is no adoption fee. I payed 350.00 for Sadie but this is not about money. This is about doing the right thing for her. Sadie is 2 years old.
Thanks
LadyLes


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/16/2007 11:09 AM  
Oh how sad...at least you both have Sadie's best interest in mind. I am sure there will be someone here that would love to have such a beauty.

There is nothing better than wine and chocolate!
~Ashley~
vlrms3


Rattie
Rattie
12/16/2007 11:11 AM  

Ashley,

Thanks. Artie and I are both sick about this. Please keep Sadie in your thoughts that she will have a Magical and Happy HOME soon.

Best,

Vickie

LadyLes


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/16/2007 11:16 AM  
I definitely will...there have been many great adoptions here lately and lots of people looking for pups. Stick around I am sure that someone will speak up before you know it.

There is nothing better than wine and chocolate!
~Ashley~
Caesar & Julia's mom


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
12/16/2007 11:21 AM  
How sad~ I hope Sadie will find a good home soon!

Diane~ loved by Caesar and Julia

"Don't count the days, make the days count..."
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
12/16/2007 11:30 AM  
I am going to email this to my SIL and brother in CT, maybe they know someone.

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



vlrms3


Rattie
Rattie
12/16/2007 11:35 AM  

Thank you sooo much Sarah.

best,

Vickie

ladyfern


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/16/2007 11:36 AM  
That's very sad. I hope she finds her forever home soon.

ladyfern & shiloh

If you want the best seat in the house ... move the dog!

mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/16/2007 4:21 PM  
I have so much respect for you taking responsibility for Sadie and trying to find the best home possible. Thank you both for not taking her to a kill shelter or dumping her off at a pound. Sigh
It sounds like she is very high energy and needs a good running partner.... please keep us updated... maybe someone can help from here.
Prayers that Sadie finds that perfect someone!

~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

ARTIE


Rattie
Rattie
12/17/2007 12:14 PM  

Shannon: Sadie is not high energy she is calm and likes to cuddle, but BB does not like the fact that Sadie will not let BB come near me, Sadie wants me all to her self. Sadie needs to be in a home were she can give love and not put up with another dog. Sadie is a great dog with lots of love to give. ARTIE

vlrms3


Rattie
Rattie
12/18/2007 5:29 AM  
Artie is correct. Sadie loves to cuddle. She is just very needy and wants to be with her owner 24/7 when they are home. My dog and Artie's dog did not so much hate Sadie they just didn't like that she hogs all the attention. She is very attentive to her owner...Anyone who is interested in helping us find Sadie her perfect home please let Arite or myself know.
all my best,
Vickie
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
12/18/2007 7:07 AM  
Posted By vlrms3 on 12/18/2007 5:29 AM
Artie is correct. Sadie loves to cuddle. She is just very needy and wants to be with her owner 24/7 when they are home. My dog and Artie's dog did not so much hate Sadie they just didn't like that she hogs all the attention. She is very attentive to her owner...Anyone who is interested in helping us find Sadie her perfect home please let Arite or myself know.
all my best,
Vickie

 

Well, I'm glad you are committed to finding her another home!  I have to say though that your description of her fits my dogs and many ratties (except that they aren't needy like my whippet is, they are just very involved in everything I do).  It is up to me as the "alpha" to divide attention equally and keep a happy "pack". 

Apparently Artie wasn't able to do this (or didn't want to) but I'm just saying that you don't need to automatically rule out a household with other dogs as long as the potential adopters are aware of her personality....many experience multiple dog owners can deal with this just fine!

No offense intended to Artie, just trying to say there may be more options for Sadie than you realize.  Some people can successfully deal with multiple dogs.


Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude
Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org
rattagan's mom


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
12/18/2007 7:49 AM  
I am sorry things didn't work out with Artie, BB and Sadie. We went for a puppy because Phil has never raised a pup and wants too. If I were close to you I would gladly take her but I'm in Florida and not much good to you there. I think the more the merrier. I had 2 dogs in NC but Grungy had to be put to sleep when he could no longer walk or even support himself on his legs. So now I'm down to one for the moment until my adoption is approved through Ratbone Rescues. Good Luck on finding Sadie a new forever home.

Janie,
Ratty,Cameo,Cutter and Nala Belle's Mom

Show your furbaby how much you love them brush their teeth today! It saves them pain "tomorrow." Janie L.
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
12/18/2007 7:56 AM  

It's true, Mary Beth.... and everyone... much depends on the human. It's the responsibility of the human to establish necessary boundaries and teach the dogs how to interact with one another... as well as learning how to control the 'pack' (and yes... it IS a pack.  In a dog's mind, anything more than one is a pack). The first thing to understand about handling a multiple dog household is that you have not simply gathered together two or more dogs to live with you. You have established a "pack" of dogs that has its own hierarchy, communications, benefits and challenges. For a human to operate in his/her rightful spot within the pack, you will need to firmly, but not aggressively, establish yourself as the pack member in charge.

I could set out some things that need to be done to make the transition successful, but if Artie isn't even willing to crate Sadie... then to do so would serve no useful purpose. Sometimes, a particular dog DOES need to be an "only dog" if he/she can't successfully fit into the pack. It does happen this way sometimes. However, it usually takes more than a month to recognize that it won't work. Paul I know had a doberman he rehomed to a family member. He had Sasha for almost two years and she simply did not fit in. Now that she's in another home, she's doing beautifully and he gets to see her often. He gave it a fair shot... and finally did what he felt was best for the dog. So yes... it does happen.... but in all fairness (not meaning to be offensive... simply stating a fact)... people usually do allow more than a month to make that determination.

So all of that having been said....I too am grateful that at least a good home is being sought and they aren't taking the little dog to a kill shelter.

Vickie -- is that Sadie in your avatar picture? If so.. she's really pretty!

redneckhalo


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/18/2007 8:28 AM  
I feel so helpless. Im happy for the moment, she has a home, but I wish I could help find her the home she needs. There's nothing I can do here in Texas. Are you placing ads for her such as on craigslist or your local newspaper? Good Luck finding her a home!

♥No outfit is complete without dog hair♥

Kristin (Zoey's Mom)
vlrms3


Rattie
Rattie
12/18/2007 5:03 PM  
Hi,
Just checking in....
Sadie will not be put in a shelter. If Artie or I can not find her a new home by the time I return (Jan. 24th) I will be taking her back to my home. I tried to get Artie to crate Sadie at night as that is what she was used to but he feels it is not right to crate a dog.
Will continue to check in while I am gone to see if anyone runs across a good home for Sadie.
Sadie is not aggressive. My other dog would get aggressive with Sadie at times and I think BB is doing the same thing as Artie said he was afraid BB would hurt Sadie.
Sadie is very good natured, she is just a rattie!!!!
Nora, yes that is a recent picture of Sadie at Artie's house...She is a very pretty girl!!!
momto3


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/18/2007 6:28 PM  
Posted By rattytatty on 12/18/2007 7:56 AM

It's true, Mary Beth.... and everyone... much depends on the human. It's the responsibility of the human to establish necessary boundaries and teach the dogs how to interact with one another... as well as learning how to control the 'pack' (and yes... it IS a pack.  In a dog's mind, anything more than one is a pack). The first thing to understand about handling a multiple dog household is that you have not simply gathered together two or more dogs to live with you. You have established a "pack" of dogs that has its own hierarchy, communications, benefits and challenges. For a human to operate in his/her rightful spot within the pack, you will need to firmly, but not aggressively, establish yourself as the pack member in charge.

I could set out some things that need to be done to make the transition successful, but if Artie isn't even willing to crate Sadie... then to do so would serve no useful purpose. Sometimes, a particular dog DOES need to be an "only dog" if he/she can't successfully fit into the pack. It does happen this way sometimes. However, it usually takes more than a month to recognize that it won't work. Paul I know had a doberman he rehomed to a family member. He had Sasha for almost two years and she simply did not fit in. Now that she's in another home, she's doing beautifully and he gets to see her often. He gave it a fair shot... and finally did what he felt was best for the dog. So yes... it does happen.... but in all fairness (not meaning to be offensive... simply stating a fact)... people usually do allow more than a month to make that determination.

So all of that having been said....I too am grateful that at least a good home is being sought and they aren't taking the little dog to a kill shelter.

Vickie -- is that Sadie in your avatar picture? If so.. she's really pretty!

Hi Vickie, just out of curosity, our dog Phoenix is never crated, he's great in the house. If we were to get another, that needed to be crated, would that cause problems between the dogs? I'm just asking for info, as we have never had more than one dog, and would like to have another in the future.

Tracy

vlrms3


Rattie
Rattie
12/18/2007 7:52 PM  

Tracy,

I believe that would depend on your own situation. I do not think it is a black and white issue and many people have lots of different type arrangements for their pets sleeping quarters. Perhaps some of the others can give you a better answer than me. My older dog was crated until she was a little over 1  year before she was given free reign of the house. Sadie is 2 y/o this month and she still was crated at night and when unattended. I am sure much of it depends on the dog? 
Anyone, want to answer this for Tracy?

thanks,

Vickie 

DaisysMom


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
12/18/2007 7:56 PM  
Our older, mixed breed, Anna, has free reign of the house. Daisy will be 2 in January and is still crated when we are gone (but sleeps with us at night - with the door shut so still not really "free reign" when we're asleep) The dogs don't have a problem with this.

A lot of it will be in your attitude and the way you project that attitude.

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

LadyLes


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/18/2007 8:49 PM  
Vickie, I just PM'd you...

There is nothing better than wine and chocolate!
~Ashley~
Morgan


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
12/18/2007 9:04 PM  
There have been adoptions left and right lately so I have no doubt that we will find a good home for Sadie. Thank you for being so patient until a forever home is found for her!

-Morgan (Bella's Mommy)
LadyLes


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/18/2007 9:06 PM  
I think we somehow need to get Sadie to Iowaamy....she has been looking for the right pup for about a month now...

There is nothing better than wine and chocolate!
~Ashley~
Katie'sMom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/18/2007 9:31 PM  
I am happy you all are working so hard to find Sadie the right spot. Thank you for taking the responsibility for Sadie. Not everyone would be so conscientious.

Check out Katie Scarlett and Company, KS's new site (includes magazine):
Katie Scarlett and Company

And email her at:
katiescarlettorattie@gmail.com


ARTIE


Rattie
Rattie
12/23/2007 9:09 AM  

Sorry  y'all  but  the crate is not the answer. Sadie loves her freedom and that's normal. I'm going to keep Sadie and we will work things out, were getting to be a team. I think I was beening  selfish. BB was no picnic as a pup,I wanted to kick her butt at times but stuck it out and look at her now. Sadie is a smart dog and must know something was up because she has been good this week and darn it, I love her. And If I have any more trouble, Vicki will have to come and live with me. lol    Thank y'all for all your help I know you want the best for us.

Merry Christmas  Artie , BB and Sadie

erniebenernie


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/23/2007 9:24 AM  
That's great news!!!
Work things out!!! You couldn't have posted better news.

Vicki

~*~I'd rather own an inch of a rat terrier then a mile of a pedigree~*~
momto3


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/23/2007 12:08 PM  

What great news Artie!!! I can imagine how you felt, it tugs at the heart I'm sure it will only get better!

mama2jerry


Ratastic
Ratastic
12/23/2007 5:16 PM  
What great news!

Sarah

....and mama to Darby too!
bratt


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
12/23/2007 5:34 PM  

I'm so glad you are going to work this out!!! Good luck to you and Sadie!!!


Debra~KSSM Queen II
Savanna~Princess Easy Street
LadyLes


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/23/2007 9:18 PM  
Again, Artie, I think you are a saint...you will get there. Just post questions often and the members here can be your support team. I do not crate my pups either, and I know that can be controversial...but I feel that you can work out issues even without the crate. I have posted a couple of times about teaching my dogs to signal when they need out...this is what we did.

Get a string, ribbon, or etc and tie a bell to the end of it and hang it from the door that you will take the dogs out to potty. Each time you take the dog out to potty while teaching this technique, you ring the bell with it's paw. Pretty soon, the dog will understand to ring the bell when it wants to go out to potty. Vino learned it in like 5 days and Mocha has learned it from him. It is great. Please, let me know if I can help you in any way! I want this forum to be a support for you. I admire you courage to work through Sadie's issues.

YOU CAN DO THIS!!

There is nothing better than wine and chocolate!
~Ashley~
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