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DaisysMom


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09/25/2008 12:09 PM  
Based on what you said, I'll make a couple of suggestions to you:

1. I think you need to go back to square one and start all over with the house training. Go to the first page of this thread and read the original post.

2. Change her food (and your other dog's as well) ASAP. Pedigree is a very low-quality food with lots of poor ingredients. Personally, I recommend (and use) Nature's Variety Prarie formula. Poor quality foods like Pedigree lead to (among other things including serious health risks) increased amounts of poo because their bodies are eliminating the unnecessary or undigestible ingredients which are many. Nature's Variety is an all-stages food meaning it meets the nutritional needs for puppy, adult, and senior dogs, so you don't have to worry about that. There are also many other good quality choices out there, but you can't get any good food at a grocery or "mart" store. Read through the health/diet section. There are TONS of threads on this topic as well.

3. Definitely start to use the long leash in the house and outside. You need to be able to give her IMMEDIATE feedback for unwanted and wanted behaviors so she can understand what it is you want from her.

4. Limit her time in the yard to ONLY potty times. Use one door for taking her outside (always on a leash with you present) and take her to one consistent area. If you want her to get some exercise or play time, take her out another door and for a walk or to a completely different area, not the potty area. If she does potty while out to do something else, praise her like mad...GOOD GIRL, GOOD POTTY!!!!!!

5. Thoroughly, with a good enzyme based cleaner, clean and scrub her crate and anything that goes in it as well as any area in the house where she has pottied. It's important that any leftover scent be completely removed, and she can smell a lot better than you

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

MindiK


Ratterific
Ratterific
09/25/2008 12:26 PM  

I never knew that about Pedigree....my husband swears by it, so it'll be hard to get him to change. But I'm pretty good at changing his mind, whether he knows it or not!!

Oh, and I'm all for limiting her yard time to pottying only. That'll make nighttime trips to poo a lot easier. She's getting where she likes to pee in one specific area, so we may just use that as the designated spot.

Enzyme-based cleaner...check. I need to make a list before we get to the store again!!

Thanks for all your help!!!

DaisysMom


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09/25/2008 12:37 PM  
No problem Keep us posted with how it's going. Go to www.dogfoodproject.com for some information on convincing hubby. Also, even though good quality food is more expensive, keep in mind that 1.) small dogs don't eat much and 2.) they require usually quite a bit less of good food than poor food, because they absorb and get more out of it.

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

DaisysMom


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09/25/2008 1:00 PM  

Sorry for the lengthy explanation, but this food is AWFUL.

Pedigree ingredients:

Ground Whole Corn, Meat And Bone Meal, Ground Wheat, Corn Gluten Meal, Animal Fat (Preserved With Bha/Bht), Wheat Mill Run, Wheat Flour, Natural Flavor, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Caramel Color, Chicken By-Product Meal, Rice, Vegetable Oil (Source Of Linoleic Acid), Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Dl-Alpha Tocopherol Acetate [Source Of Vitamin E], L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate [Source Of Vitamin C*], Vitamin A Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate [Vitamin B1], Biotin, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement [Vitamin B2], Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement), Minerals (Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Sulfate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Potassium Iodide), Added FD&C And Lake Colors (Yellow 6, Yellow 5, Blue 2, Red 40).


Notice the amount of corn, wheat and corn gluten meal, wheat mill run and wheat flour (5 of the first 7 ingredients, which are listed by amounts from most to least) - this is HORRIBLE. They are nothing but fillers and provide no nutritional value whatsover. Not to mention, many ratties have poor tolerance and/or allergies due to corn.

Salt has no place this high in the list, if at all. While salt is a necessary mineral, it is also generally present in sufficient quantities in the ingredients pet foods include. Just like for humans, too much sodium intake is unhealthy for animals. In poor quality foods it is often used in large amounts to add flavor and make the food more interesting.

Note that the animal fat is preserved with Bha/Bht: Banned from human use in many countries but still permitted in the US. Possible human carcinogen, apparently carcinogenic in animal experiments. The oxidative characteristics and/or metabolites of BHA and BHT may contribute to carcinogenicity or tumorigenicity.

Meat and Bone Meal: AFCO: The rendered product from mammal tissues, with or without bone, exclusive of any added blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents except in such amounts as may occur unavoidably in good processing practices.

The animal parts used can be obtained from any source, so there is no control over quality or contamination. Any kind of animal can be included: "4-D animals" (dead, diseased, disabled, or dying prior to slaughter), goats, pigs, horses, rats, misc. roadkill, animals euthanized at shelters and so on. It can also include pus, cancerous tissue, and decomposed (spoiled) tissue. 

Chicken By-product meal:  AAFCO: Consists of the dry, ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs, and intestines -- exclusive of feathers except in such amounts as might occur unavoidably in good processing practices.

Chicken byproducts are much less expensive and less digestible than the chicken muscle meat.The ingredients of each batch can vary drastically in ingredients (heads, feet, bones etc.) as well as quality, thus the nutritional value is also not consistent. Don't forget that byproducts consist of any parts of the animal OTHER than meat. If there is any use for any part of the animal that brings more profit than selling it as "byproduct", rest assured it will appear in such a product rather than in the "byproduct" dumpster.

The caramel colorings and other added colorings are also completely unnecessary, and maybe, in terms of the Yellow , Blue and Red Dyes, carcinogenic. They are added solely for visual appeal to humans - which is idiotic.


Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

MindiK


Ratterific
Ratterific
09/25/2008 1:24 PM  
Well, ick on the food....I kinda brought up the subject with the husband on the phone, and he totally balked at the idea, since "Jake has been doing ok on it." I'll copy and print what you posted on here, though...it convinced me...
DaisysMom


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09/25/2008 3:09 PM  
Jake may "appear" to be doing well on it, but point out to him that the ramifications once he is a little older and after years of eating this food can be dire. It will (In My Opinion) shorten his lifespan and likely lead to health problems that can include obesity, digestive issues, cancer, skin/allergy issues, heart problems, etc.

It can perhaps best be described as feeding a child / person nothing but McDonalds for years and years....yes, of course, they can exist on it, and may appear fine, but eventually we all know that a diet like that will result in problems.

We all want our animals to live as long and as healthy a life as possible.

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

momandriss


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11/08/2008 8:59 PM  

HI, I am new here. We are getting our puppy next saturday, the 15th. She will be six weeks old. I am a little concerned about my work hours and her training. I work from 7:30-5:00 m-f. I don't want to leave her in a crate all day, I know she will have to "go" during the day, should I get a play area fence for her and some of those pads I have heard about for her? That way she can go and still play and still have her crate all in one place. Is that a good idea? I need help with how to handle this.  Thank you. 

Rascal's new mom

kp_in_scott


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
11/08/2008 9:03 PM  
At six weeks, she will definately not be able to hold it all day, so you will have to use the pad and a xpen set up. Jubilee was set up like that and she was 11 weeks old when I got her. She also peed in her crate at first but as she's gotten older she has learned to hold it at night. Welcome to the board and I hope your pup transitions to her new surroundings without any major drama.

Kim, owned by one sweet Rattie mix and one sweet Toy Rattie and a house full of parrots
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