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mario07
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| 04/23/2007 10:30 AM |
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Paul, Nora, Tracey, anyone....
Just wondering if anyone out there can give me some pointers with teaching Mario recall. In light of his recent neighborhood excursion, I'd love to start working on this. We'll be at the meet up in TN this weekend and I'm feeling nervous about my little convict escaping again!!  |
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~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~
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Pamiknows
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
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| 04/23/2007 10:30 AM |
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| Me too Shannon. Abby is used to being free inside the fence but never without it. |
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/pamiknows/
Somedays it's just not worth chewing thru the restraints.
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PamWh
Attention Starved
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| 04/23/2007 10:32 AM |
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| Bob too. I'm afraid he will be like that dog in the Chevy Chase movie where he moves to the country, lets his lab or setter out of the car and it immediately runs away. |
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PamWh
aka Bob's Mom
If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy! |
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mario07
Bratty Ratty
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| 04/23/2007 10:35 AM |
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| I know!! After my big scare from yesterday...I am feeling a bit insecure about it. Mario will run with other dogs so let's hope Lucy and Bailey behave!! They will have to herd our hooligans!!! |
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~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~
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Paul
Feisty
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| 04/23/2007 10:42 AM |
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I started working w/ Lucy on "recall" when she was still very little. I started out with her in a fenced in area, so there was no chance that she could run off, had little pieces of cheese (her favorite is mozzerrella) and every time I called her and she came to me, I'd give her a little piece of cheese. After she got the idea, I'd wait till she was pretty far away from me, or even busy investigating a smelly thing in the grass, and call her. She came, and got a piece of cheese! Now she will stop mid-pee if I call her and come to me, whether I have cheese or not, because she always has the hopes that I WILL have some!
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"Train now, or forever hold your leash"
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mario07
Bratty Ratty
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| 04/23/2007 10:46 AM |
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| Oh, thank you!! I will start working on it today with Mario. He likes grilled chicken the best! (the little booger!) |
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~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~
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Paul
Feisty
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| 04/23/2007 10:51 AM |
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I think that the dogs will pretty much all hang out together, anyhow. They will be so busy playing and sniffing. 
Everytime I've had Dar & Lucy at a dog park, it seems that they all run around like a big group most of the time. The meetup might be a great place to practice "recall" too! |
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"Train now, or forever hold your leash"
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JenMax
Firehouse Big Dog
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| 04/23/2007 10:52 AM |
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Posted By Paul on 04/23/2007 10:42 AM
I started working w/ Lucy on "recall" when she was still very little. I started out with her in a fenced in area, so there was no chance that she could run off, had little pieces of cheese (her favorite is mozzerrella) and every time I called her and she came to me, I'd give her a little piece of cheese. After she got the idea, I'd wait till she was pretty far away from me, or even busy investigating a smelly thing in the grass, and call her. She came, and got a piece of cheese! Now she will stop mid-pee if I call her and come to me, whether I have cheese or not, because she always has the hopes that I WILL have some!
Impressive! 
If Max came, he would be sticking to me like glue so there would be no danger of him running away. |
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Jenny - Max's sister
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PamWh
Attention Starved
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| 04/23/2007 10:54 AM |
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Posted By JenMax on 04/23/2007 10:52 AM
Posted By Paul on 04/23/2007 10:42 AM
I started working w/ Lucy on "recall" when she was still very little. I started out with her in a fenced in area, so there was no chance that she could run off, had little pieces of cheese (her favorite is mozzerrella) and every time I called her and she came to me, I'd give her a little piece of cheese. After she got the idea, I'd wait till she was pretty far away from me, or even busy investigating a smelly thing in the grass, and call her. She came, and got a piece of cheese! Now she will stop mid-pee if I call her and come to me, whether I have cheese or not, because she always has the hopes that I WILL have some!
Impressive! If Max came, he would be sticking to me like glue so there would be no danger of him running away.
I will do that for chocolate.  |
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PamWh
aka Bob's Mom
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Pamiknows
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
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| 04/23/2007 10:56 AM |
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Posted By PamWh on 04/23/2007 10:54 AM
Posted By JenMax on 04/23/2007 10:52 AM
Posted By Paul on 04/23/2007 10:42 AM
I started working w/ Lucy on "recall" when she was still very little. I started out with her in a fenced in area, so there was no chance that she could run off, had little pieces of cheese (her favorite is mozzerrella) and every time I called her and she came to me, I'd give her a little piece of cheese. After she got the idea, I'd wait till she was pretty far away from me, or even busy investigating a smelly thing in the grass, and call her. She came, and got a piece of cheese! Now she will stop mid-pee if I call her and come to me, whether I have cheese or not, because she always has the hopes that I WILL have some!
Impressive! If Max came, he would be sticking to me like glue so there would be no danger of him running away. I will do that for chocolate. 
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/pamiknows/
Somedays it's just not worth chewing thru the restraints.
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Apollo's Mommy
Feisty
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| 04/23/2007 11:12 AM |
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Posted By Paul on 04/23/2007 10:42 AM
I started working w/ Lucy on "recall" when she was still very little. I started out with her in a fenced in area, so there was no chance that she could run off, had little pieces of cheese (her favorite is mozzerrella) and every time I called her and she came to me, I'd give her a little piece of cheese. After she got the idea, I'd wait till she was pretty far away from me, or even busy investigating a smelly thing in the grass, and call her. She came, and got a piece of cheese! Now she will stop mid-pee if I call her and come to me, whether I have cheese or not, because she always has the hopes that I WILL have some!
Apollo LOVES cheese. I'll start working with him today too! Thanks Paul! |
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"You can't fix stupid." - Ron White
~ Jolene ~
Mommy to Apollo, Emma, & Indie
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PamWh
Attention Starved
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| 04/23/2007 11:20 AM |
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If I can't get Bob to come inside after his last potty at bedtime, because he is in hunting mode, I'll just say "okay, I'm going to Grandma's." He will come running at that.  |
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PamWh
aka Bob's Mom
If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy! |
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mario07
Bratty Ratty
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| 04/24/2007 7:01 PM |
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Mario did great today with the recall! I used cheese and he loved it! Problem though, once he figured out I had cheese in my pocket...he wouldn't go off to play in the yard for me to call him back!!! LOL
He did do a good job... smart pup!!  |
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~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~
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Paul
Feisty
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mario07
Bratty Ratty
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| 04/24/2007 7:22 PM |
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Okay, so don't give him a treat EVERY time he comes?? He's been very good today and has really obeyed. Tomorrow is a different day though!!  I had to crate him during dinner because he was yipping at me for food. Bad boy! But once he got quiet, I let him out and made him sit for several minutes before getting a treat. He's been a doll baby since. (can't say I blame him, we had steak, homemade mashed potatoes, buttered corn and hot buttered bread...not great for dieting but oh so good!) |
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~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~
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Apollo's Mommy
Feisty
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| 04/24/2007 7:37 PM |
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| Way to go Shannon and Mario! I didn't get to work with Apollo very much today since I was doing my floors. So hopefully I can start tomorrow! |
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"You can't fix stupid." - Ron White
~ Jolene ~
Mommy to Apollo, Emma, & Indie
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Paul
Feisty
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| 04/24/2007 7:39 PM |
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Posted By mario07 on 04/24/2007 7:22 PM Okay, so don't give him a treat EVERY time he comes?? He's been very good today and has really obeyed. Tomorrow is a different day though!! I had to crate him during dinner because he was yipping at me for food. Bad boy! But once he got quiet, I let him out and made him sit for several minutes before getting a treat. He's been a doll baby since. (can't say I blame him, we had steak, homemade mashed potatoes, buttered corn and hot buttered bread...not great for dieting but oh so good!)
Second day, 2 out of 3 times---slowly "wean" him off the idea that the only reason you are there is to give him treats! But, still give him a treat randomly (after he's got a pretty good "recall" down) just because he is a good, smart little guy!
And sometimes it's good to give him a treat just cos you love him! 
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"Train now, or forever hold your leash"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/doberdad/ |
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mario07
Bratty Ratty
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| 04/24/2007 7:40 PM |
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| I haven't had the time I would like to work with Mario with Nick being sick... but, I did get a few minutes this afternoon to work with him. It has been so crazy this week and I feel like I am SO behind on getting ready for this trip!! I want to work some more with Mario tomorrow! |
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~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~
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NavyDvrWife
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
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| 04/24/2007 7:44 PM |
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Wow- great progress Mario! What a smart little guy! Batman learned "come when called" in his obedience class. He still to this day is very good at it.
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mario07
Bratty Ratty
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| 04/24/2007 7:48 PM |
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| Thank you, Paul, for your advice! We're working on it!! |
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~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~
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kimrose
Feisty
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Paul
Feisty
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| 04/24/2007 7:58 PM |
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yep, that's Mic too... little chicken butt....
but its a good thing to teach them... so how do you teach it if you have no yard?? I can't let him off leash so I never get a chance to let him "do his own thing", well, you know what I mean 
Go to the dollar store and pick up a 25 ft clothesline rope. Put a snap from an old leash on the end. It lets your dog get far enough away from you that they forget that they are attached, but you still have that "control line" to use if you need to. |
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"Train now, or forever hold your leash"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/doberdad/ |
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Bama's Mom 1
Terrier Terror
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| 04/24/2007 7:58 PM |
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| I need to start doing this with Bama. He used to come when we'd say "treat" and we'd give him one once he came inside. Now, he just ignores us--most of the time--unless we call "truck." He thinks he's getting to go bye-bye in Daddy's truck then. Bad thing is that we can't take him for a ride every time we call it, and he can definitely tell the difference between us getting ready to go somewhere and us just going outside. |
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Trina, mom to Ali & Bama
" ... work can wait another 30 minutes. There are more important things to do. Like throwing sticks."
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kimrose
Feisty
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| 04/24/2007 8:24 PM |
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Posted By Paul on 04/24/2007 7:58 PM
Go to the dollar store and pick up a 25 ft clothesline rope. Put a snap from an old leash on the end. It lets your dog get far enough away from you that they forget that they are attached, but you still have that "control line" to use if you need to. That is a good idea! Can't be quite that long though, I live in a townhouse on a busy street... I would probably have to take him down to the park or something and chain it to the fence and just stay next to the fence... I might try that though, thanks
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rattytatty
Newbie
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| 04/24/2007 10:31 PM |
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The advice given here is excellent ! I've ALWAYS maintained that recall (the "come" command) is THE most important thing you can teach your dog. It can save his/her life.
How many times have you heard someone say their dog is very well behaved at home and when on leash...the dog comes every time he is called. Then when it is time to go home from the dog park, or he gets the scent of something... and off he goes. He won't come and the owner ends up chasing him or bribing him. It's a common complaint.
Oftentimes, this is a pattern that often develops when the term "come" is accompanied by a "punishment" - like the end of a play session. That you didn't intend it as a punishment isn't the point. It's just one of those unconscious things that we do that affect our dogs without us knowing.
So the thing to do is to change the pattern so that "come" results in something the dog wants, more often than something the dog doesn't want. Like Tracey said... use a very long line, allowing the dog some freedom, but you maintain control (using a command you can't enforce is worse than useless). Start a play session, call the dog, give it a reward (toy, treat or praise), continue the play session. Do this at least six sessions - at the end evaluate - is the dog breaking off play and coming immediately and happily? If not continue until you get to that point. If it takes a very long time, then so be it. Trust me... it's worth however long it takes.
In the meanwhile if you have a fenced, safe place for off leash play, then fine - BUT DO NOT CALL THE DOG. Instead, carry treats with you. When the dog comes to you, or near you, say "cookie?" or some word you are from know on going to be using as a question, not a command. Offer the dog the treat, the reason for the word is to get the dogs attention, not to tell it what to do. (If you don't like using treats or if the dog isn't rewarded by them, then use whatever is rewarding. It could be a quick game of tug, a thrown ball, a hug, a pet or just your ethusiastic voice. Lots of difficult to reward dogs respond well to a chance to play with a special toy used only for these sessions and put up between sessions.) Using it every time will get the dog to associate the reward with the word. Every time the dog shows up after being on a play romp, reward the dog. After three of four of these times take the dog, put its leash on, praise, take the leash off and let the dog go back to playing. Do it again.
Your treats can be very small - I use the size of one small kibble for most dogs. (stringed cheese is always a winner!) At the end of the play session you must use great restraint - DO NOT CALL THE DOG - do nothing different (this is where someone watching you can help - is your tone, body language different - are you holding your leash differently, standing differently whatever) just wait for one of those times the dog shows up, offer the treat, click on the leash and this time no release - just calmly leave - other than that nothing different, no extra praise, no extra food.
When that is working well start offering "cookie?" when the dog is a little further away . . . and then further . . then start adding a hand signal so that you can do it still further . . . remember, however we still aren't commanding, just getting rid of the association that coming equals end of play, or bath or something else the dog doesn't want. And at the same time we are working on the command come on leash when we can make the dog do it, but still keeping it light and positive.
Eventually you will not reward every time, you will taper it off (every other time, every third time, randomly) until it is just occasional. If you are using toys or treats you will start subsituting praise, but gradually you will tone that down and make it rare also.
Once the dog is reliable on a long line then you can combine the two, ALWAYS in a safe, fenced off leash area, the dog is allowed to play, when it gets close you can then command "come" reward and release. If all goes well the situation will tell the dog that coming will not result in the end of play, and the word "come" will indicate a command and the dog will do it happily. Once that is working well I like to have the dog do one or two things before returning to play, a sit, a down, a short heel, what ever. I interrupt some play sessions with 30 seconds to a minute of work at random intervals. Play time is not "I don't have to listen to Mom time!!
Shannon... we can work on this a little on Saturday if you want to!
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rattytatty
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| 04/24/2007 10:33 PM |
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| I'm so sorry my posts are so long. I get on a roll and can't find a stopping point. :=( |
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mario07
Bratty Ratty
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| 04/25/2007 6:14 AM |
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| Nora, that is GREAT advice!! Yes, I would LOVE to work on this Saturday!! Thank you so much. I would have messed the whole thing up on my own. |
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~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~
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BonitaKaz
Bratty Ratty
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| 04/25/2007 7:21 AM |
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| Nora, your post was so helpful! Honey when you get your roll on don't stop! If you can't talk here, then where can you?? |
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*Bonita* Mom to Nibbler!
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kimrose
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| 04/30/2007 3:33 PM |
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Posted By rattytatty on 04/24/2007 10:31 PM
So the thing to do is to change the pattern so that "come" results in something the dog wants, more often than something the dog doesn't want. Like Tracey said... use a very long line, allowing the dog some freedom, but you maintain control (using a command you can't enforce is worse than useless). Start a play session, call the dog, give it a reward (toy, treat or praise), continue the play session. Do this at least six sessions - at the end evaluate - is the dog breaking off play and coming immediately and happily? If not continue until you get to that point. If it takes a very long time, then so be it. Trust me... it's worth however long it takes.
Possibly stupid questions
I'm going to start training Mic recall this week on a long line, and I just want to be sure on something... Say we're outside playing or he's just running around like an insane doggie (at least that's what he looks like  ) and I say "come".... now if he completely ignores me, I just keep trying? How long do I try for, because I've read that you are never supposed to give in, but I can't keep him out there all night... (we have to do this at night... he's not allowed in the sun for to long) I just want to be sure I'm doing this right, but Mic can be very stubborn and alot of the time he never listens to me anyway when we're outside, so I just want to be prepared...
The other question was, whenever I go outside with him, on a walk, or whatever and I have treats, he won't leave me alone... So I have had to stop bringing treats on our outdoor sessions. And because recall requires both the outdoors and reward (for him = treats), do you have any advice on how to get his attention off my pocket long enough so that I can even try the "come" command?
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mario07
Bratty Ratty
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| 04/30/2007 3:41 PM |
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Kim, I am no pro but what I have learned is this...
1. only train Mic in 15 minute sessions (this is good too due to the sun sensitivity)... when you say "come" pull him to you and PRAISE him. Give him a treat. Keep doing it everyday for only 15 minutes. Nora told me some dogs take months to get it and some get it a lot faster.
2. I put Mario's treats in a plastic baggie so he couldn't smell them...I put them in my pocket without him seeing it... He knew I had treats but he would "wander off" on his line.
I hope that helps. Nora is sure to post back for more info... good luck! I can't wait to hear about how Mic is doing!! |
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