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bigbadfisher

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| 08/16/2007 10:36 AM |
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So rather then hijack the other thread, I'll start up a new one.
I had mentioned that we wanted to teach our rattie Sheila to ring a bell when she wants to go outside. Nora mentioned that this might not be optimal since Sheila may learn to abuse this and be controlling us instead of the more desired reverse.
I had not thought of that point. We just recently moved into our new two story house and I was trying to think of a good way for Sheila to let us know she needed to go outside without us being able to see her waiting patiently at the door.
Ideally it would be some behavior or noise that my wife or I could easily pick up on from anywhere in the house, but then one that would not be.... overused. Any suggestions? |
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swatson6

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| 08/16/2007 10:47 AM |
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| I am not sure, Jack stands patiently at the door.....standing up on it actually. |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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DaisysMom

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| 08/16/2007 10:50 AM |
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| I'm not sure either. Daisy will sit by the door and, if not noticed right away, will give a little "woof". I think any kind of device (bell, buzzer, etc.) runs the risk of being abused, so I'm not sure. What does she do now to let you know she needs to go potty? |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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PamWh

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| 08/16/2007 10:58 AM |
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| Bob also sits patiently by the door. If we don't notice him, he will come back to one of us and paw at us, then walk back to the door. |
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PamWh aka Bob's Mom
If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy! |
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NellBell25

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| 08/16/2007 11:28 AM |
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| Yogi is so subtle I don't even know if I'm just imagining things, he just seems more restless when he has to go. He won't go to the door, he won't ring the bell (I tried to touch the bell to his nose and since then he's terrified of the bell), so we're stuck taking him out every 3-4 hours when we're home and awake. Which is not ideal as we have to get him all harnessed and leashed up to go to the park next door. I hope someone has some suggestions for us! |
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DaisysMom

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| 08/16/2007 11:30 AM |
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| What happens if you don't take him every 3-4 hours??? Will he eventually give you a hint or will he go in the house? |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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NellBell25

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| 08/16/2007 11:36 AM |
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| No he's never had an accident, we've left him up to 8 hours by himself and he does fine. He doesn't really do anything to alert us even when we get home, but we just automatically take him out. In the morning he has held it for 6 1/2 hours from when fiance goes to bed and I wake up, he doesn't act like he has to potty then, either, we both wake up and I get ready to take him outside and he just sits and watches me, not doing anything to say "Mom, hurry up I gotta pee!" |
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PamWh

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| 08/16/2007 11:51 AM |
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| Yogi must have good bladder control. Bob can hold it for a long time too, but sometimes he does an urgent potty dance waiting for us to open the door and let him out into the backyard. |
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PamWh aka Bob's Mom
If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy! |
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3boyz

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| 08/16/2007 12:13 PM |
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We taught our first rattie to ring a bell to go outside and she definitely abused it. She would literallly ring the bell 20 times a day just to go outside to see what is going on. For me it was hard not to let her out each time because we worked so hard on teaching her that is how to let us know you need to go outside to use the bathroom. I wonder if some of her excessive ringing was because she was an acitve puppy! It may work better for an older dog.
Our current rattie doesn't do anything to let us know ,we just automatically take her out. One good idea is to teach Sheila how to potty on command. If you keep her on a feeding schedule and train her to pee on command you can pretty much anticipate when she needs to go and she will do it for you. Thay may eliminate a lof of the guesswork of when she needs to go out. I know with my first Rattie along with ringing the bell, we taught her to potty on command. It was nice because I could take her out she would pee and poop and I knew she was good for little while. |
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Mom to 4 human boys - 5 if you count my hubbie!
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BonitaKaz

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| 08/16/2007 1:40 PM |
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Nibbler just jumps on us and whines. If we don't move fast enough he goes on his puppy pad. But if we're not home he just waits.... Sometimes I think he just uses the pad to make sure we know we're too slow for him lol. |
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*Bonita* Mom to Nibbler & Laika! |
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bigbadfisher

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| 08/16/2007 1:43 PM |
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Sheila has very good bladder control - there are times when she's gone 12+ hours because of our work schedules. She also has a potty command, but I won't say for certain that its not just "we're outside in my backyard and I go here". There is something of a schedule - I know that when I get home from work OR on the weekends its 5-6pm that she needs to go outside for #2. Ditto in the mornings, she's a fairly regular dog. My wife and I have tried to watch for signs of needing to go, we've asked her "do you need to go" and watched for the excitement indicating a yes, and (to me) it seems like a blank slate. We're not accident free inside the house, but its been well over a month or so since her last oops. Its possible I'm not seeing the signs, but Sheila doesn't hang out at the door and trying to determine levels of excited with a rattie (at least mine) seems like a tough chore! |
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DaisysMom

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| 08/16/2007 2:42 PM |
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I'm sorry there doesn't seem to be an easy answer. I didn't have this problem once Daisy caught on that she was expected to go outside - she also seemed to realize she had to tell us so. Sort of like her willingness to play fetch, frisbee, and ride in a bicycle basket - I don't know that it's anything I've done necessarily to "teach" her, she just seems to "do" it on her own??? Wish I had more suggestions for you. Good luck. |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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jeremy

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| 08/16/2007 3:25 PM |
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| We trained bandit to use a bell & boy did he abuse it! Had to get rid of it here at the office, but we still use it at home (where he'd rather be in & playing with my daughter anyway). Now he'll generally make a flying leap at the door, bouncing off about 3' up. This can be heard anywhere in our house or the studio... He also paws the doorknob like he's trying to open it if the former doesn't work. When he's really gotta go (say daddy's trying to finish a forum post) he'll run back and forth between me & the door, trying to catch my eye. Then he'll yip at me to get me moving... |
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Shadows Mom

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| 08/16/2007 4:41 PM |
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| Wow, you guys really have smart ratties. I'm still trying to get mine to tell me when he has to go. He just assumes that I am going to take him out. I would like to just be asked once by him, you know?! He has an accident in the house a couple days ago because he got out of his crate. Yes the great crate escape. I've watched him. He looks at my hand when I put him in his house and then after I'm laying down in bed, he takes his paw and hits the little latch constantly. It eventually slides back gradually then he takes his nose and opens the door. Yes, he is VERY smart. NOW if he can do this, why can't he go to the door or whine or something to let me know he has to go potty. However, when we are outside, and I'm in a hurry... I say "Shadow, potty"... in 2 - 3 minutes... it is a done deal. Go figure!!#%@* |
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Shadow's Mom
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Rowdy's Mom

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| 08/17/2007 11:44 PM |
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I can't imagine how it would be if we had a bell here. With three dogs, and all of them showing so much interest in the squirrels, neighbors, dogs, and birds outside, there would never be peace. Mine can all hold it for a while- for 8 hours. (I'm embarassed to say, Sam has been forced to hold it for 18 hours- that dog is a wonderdog!) Rowdy just starts sitting by me and bothering me a lot if he needs to go out. And then when I look at him, he'll run to the door. |
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~Chrys~ Mom to Rowdy, Schatzi (shephard mix), and Sam (lab mix) http://www.myspace.com/rowdyluvsschatzi
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