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obrigada


Newbie
Newbie
08/06/2007 3:02 PM  

Good afternoon, all.  I hope I can find some help on here with our new little dog.

My husband and I got Petey,  a 4.5 year old rattie about one month ago.  He had been owned by a middle aged man who was having serious health issues and could no longer take care of him.   We heard about Petey thru a friend of a friend.

We were told that since Petey had been raised by a man that he would probably take to my husband more quickly than to me, which was okay.  The opposite happened.  That little dog is my shadow, but I do love on him an awful lot.  Lots of hugs and kisses.  He's a wonderful lap dog, our previous dog (not a rattie) was quite aloof and didn't like lots of attention.  Anyway, the folks that got Petey to us said that he'd probably do better being crated at night and while we're gone to work.  We did try to leave him out of the crate when we left the house for a couple hours and he did make a bit of a mess.  Plants knocked over, peed and pooped in the house, garbage overturned.  So we've been crating him while at work, but he whined so much when we put him in the crate at night that we let him out and he immediately jumped into bed with us and slept right between our heads.  Fine with me, I love a snuggler.

For the past couple weeks, however, he is getting quite upset if he is moved while sleeping in bed with us.  He does tend to crowd us, usually my husband, so he will slide him more towards the middle and Petey starts growling at him.  Just a little bit at first, but last night Petey nipped at my husband which is completely unacceptable.  My husband yelled at him and swatted him in the nose (not sure if this was correct or not?).  How should we handle this?  It seems like Petey is quite protective of me, he doesn't growl at me, but I can't have him biting to keep people away.  He doesn't have a problem with my husband any other times, but the middle of the night growling/biting has to stop.  Any suggestions?

Also, he is so excited when I come home from work that he is jumping all over me and can't get close enough, quick enough.  I need to control this behavior cuz I'm getting all scratched up! 

I'm sure I"ll have other issues that could use advice, this seems to be a great forum for the help!

Thanks,

Pam

 

 

 

BonitaKaz


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
08/06/2007 4:02 PM  
Sounds like he came from a home where he was really undisciplined. However, he's still young, so I think that you can get this problem fixed with a little bit of work. One thing that can help you with coming home is when you walk in door ignore him. When he jumps on you just keep walking and don't show him any attention until he has settled down. Then give him a treat and praise him. That worked for our dog.
I don't know about the over protectiveness though... I'm sure someone will

*Bonita* Mom to Nibbler & Laika!
Ski


Ratastic
Ratastic
08/06/2007 4:38 PM  

I've heard that letting dogs sleep on the bed is bad because it can lead to dominance issues.  Maybe Petey thinks he ranks higher than your husband.  Does your husband ever feed him  or take him on walks?  Maybe that would help Petey accept that your husband is his superior.

As far as the crate goes, there is a ton of information on crate training here.  Perhaps you could adjust feeding times to get his peeing/pooping on a schedule that you can manage.  Also,  when you get home,  you can push him away when he jumps on you.  Put your keys away,  or take time to do something,  and then call Petey over for some lovings.  He'll get the message,  at least mine did.

I'm sure you'll be getting some good advice soon. I don't crate and my dogs are allowed on the bed.

 Good for you for giving Petey a loving home.

DaisysMom


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
08/06/2007 4:51 PM  
Hi and welcome Bless you for taking this rattie in and providing him with a good home. Does he know any basic commands? Behave on the leash, etc? Our training moderator, Nora, is extremely busy right now, but here is a post she made regarding possessive/bed issues. You definitely need to nip this in the bud right now!

Here is Nora's post:

We are a different species from our dogs, and the only way we usually relate to them is as part of our human family. That is acceptable to our dogs because they want to be part of our pack. Where the relationship goes wrong sometimes is when we exhibit our very human characteristic of showing affection by giving our dog privileges. We all do it.... it's not uncommon and many times it creates no issues. But sometimes, the privileges we give to our pets present conflicting (and inappropriate) indications of its status within the human pack.

To take control you have to take away some or all of the privileges which the dog now enjoys. This may mean removing ‘possessions’, such as toys, chewies etc.

For example, if food is an issue, take a portion of food and make your dog ‘sit’ or ‘come’ in order to get a titbit. Nothing in life is free. Make demands of your dog in order for it to receive affection, walks or games. Demands made on you, e.g. pawing or pushing at you, barking for attention, etc. by your dog should be ignored by your turning away or even leaving the room. You are the “top dog” and demands are not made on you!

You do NOT want to confront your dog physically. What you do want to do is ‘speak’ to your dog in a language that he/she understands. This means understanding your dogs nature and, therefore, understanding what is significant to it. Please understand that certain aggressive behaviors are normal for dogs, but they’re generally unacceptable to humans. From a dog's perspective, there’s always a reason for aggressive behavior. Because humans and dogs have different communication systems, misunderstandings can occur. Your dog is protecting his territory... TOTALLY natural for him to do! Punishment won’t help and, in fact, could very well make the problem worse.

Remove the dog from the bed and find another place for him to sleep temporarily. After several days, try the bed again and if he does it again... remove him from the bed again, with a firm verbal command and a water bottle to squirt in his face if he snarls at anyone. In time, he WILL learn that his behavior is unacceptable. Teach your dog that he has to EARN the privilege of sleeping with you!

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

obrigada


Newbie
Newbie
08/07/2007 8:12 AM  

Thanks for all the replies.  I did try as Bonita suggested yesterday, just to ignore Petey when I let him out of his crate until he settled down.  That worked remarkably well.  He had settled himself in less that 2 minutes.  I didn't get scratched up at all!

As for the bed thing, my husband does take him on short walks in the yard and he does play with him.  My husband works long hours and isn't able to spend as much time with the dog as he would like.  But I will mention to him that he should maybe take a more active role in playing with and talking to Petey.  I don't really want Petey to have to sleep in his crate at night cuz we've always had our dog sleep with us, but if he starts the growling/nipping thing again, we will have to remove him for a couple days.

He does know basic commands, he can sit, come, stay, etc.  Except when he's really excited, then he doesn't listen very well.  He has to be on a leash when he's outside cuz he just wants to run after the bunnies in our yard.  He won't listen at all when he see a bunny.  That's pretty frustrating, too.  He's choking himself on his leash, but won't stop trying to get to the bunny.

Thanks again for the advice, it's been very helpful!

Pam

 

 

 

 

DaisysMom


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
08/07/2007 8:34 AM  
Well, I'm glad you had some success with keeping the jumping to a minimum. As for the bed, I don't think it's an either/or situation; rather, Petey just has to be taught that growling/nipping at the humans is absolutely intolerable and sleeping in the bed is a privilege - it is not HIS bed, but you allow him to sleep with you. Work on just calmly placing him on the floor when he "acts up" and do not let him back in bed until you make him sit/stay for a minute or two. Then say, "Petey, ok, up!" and try to settle in again. The very second he growls/nips again (if he does) give a stern, but calm "No", place him back on the floor, sit/stay, and do not let him back in the bed until you give the o.k. I don't think it will take Petey long to realize you are asserting your (and your husband's) ownership of the bed (btw - it may be helpful if hubby is the one doing the off/on command since it's him Petey seems to have the problem with). These dogs crave approval and attention and denying them that is the worse "punishment".

This is why the ignoring worked with the jumping. As soon as the dog learns that jumping gets him nothing - no attention (positive or negative) and that as soon as he is calm and patient, you dote on him, he figures it out really quickly that the one behavior gets him what he craves and the other gets him that which he hates.

Please keep us posted on how he is doing and stick around and tell us more about him and, of course, we would love to see some pics

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

erniebenernie


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
08/07/2007 8:46 AM  
We see more dominent issues if we let Ernie in our bed All the time. For the last couple months we have had Ernie in his crate at night. We get a better sleep, he tends to move so much when he's too warm. He's so happy on the nights he's allowed to come to bed with us.
He also got a little growly at me once, when I pushed him to the foot of the bed. A "NO" and a little shake of the scruff of his neck gave him the idea that that was not good. He looked at me like "ok, I really didn't mean to do that. Never happened again.

Vicki

ClareClaymore


Newbie
Newbie
08/07/2007 8:58 AM  
This is some good advice her Opel is always scratching us up mainly me i have a bad scratch near my eye and been telling her firmly no and ignoring her she is getting better Opel sleeps with us no problems sleeps in her own bed no problem she does move alot when she is warm also.
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
08/07/2007 12:29 PM  
I truly don't have anything to add here... you've gotten some excellent advice.

Most dogs, when given the choice, would prefer to sleep in the same bad as their owners. This is to be expected because the domestic dog, because of its nature and breeding, wants nothing more in life than to be close to its owner 24 hours a day.

Your dog wants to stay with you during the day, to share your company and your activities. At the end of the day, when you and your dog are ready to go to bed, your dog still feels the same way.

So if you want to share your bed with your dog, it’s easy. The dog already wants to be with you anyway. The territorial behavior you are seeing is perfectly natural for a dog. If this behavior continues, I would definitely crate him at night, or put a dog bed next to your bed on the floor and teach him that this is his place.
Rowdy's Mom


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
08/07/2007 2:41 PM  

I don't know how much I really know with the dominance issue with your dog.  My rattie, Rowdy, growled and snapped at my boyfriend when I first brought him home, but we would quickly push him away and ignore him.  Rowdy now has no problems with James- he loves him (just not as much as he loves me!

My sister had a dog that drowled and snapped at her son when sleeping in the bed with him.  The vet suggested her kids start standing over the dog and growling at it.  It seemed to work.  And the dog is no longer allowed to sleep in the bed.  Rowdy sleeps in our bed, but he is not allowed to sleep between James and I.  He is only allowed to sleep on the other side of me.  Either that or he has to go to his bed (which is also right next to me).  One time he was sleeping by James and when James tried to move him, Rowdy growled.  We simply sent him to his bed, which is on the floor next to my side.  Haven't had any problems since then. 


~Chrys~ Mom to Rowdy, Schatzi (shephard mix), and Sam (lab mix)
http://www.myspace.com/rowdyluvsschatzi
obrigada


Newbie
Newbie
08/08/2007 9:38 AM  

Well, last night went pretty well.  Petey and I went to bed early, so he was kind of in my husband's spot when he came to bed and Petey gave him another growl.  I woke up and firmly told him "NO!" and when he growled again, I told him "NO!" again.  He stopped at that point.  He usually sleeps up closer to our heads, but after his scolding last night, he went down and slept by our feet.  He does seem to be catching on pretty quickly with the commands, so I have a lot of hope for this little guy.

I did talk to my husband about spending more time with the dog and playing with him more.  He is certainly willing to do that.  I will be going away for the weekend as it turns out, so they will have lots of one on one time together.  Hopefully it will be a positive bonding experience for both of them.

Thanks again,

Pam

 

 

ClareClaymore


Newbie
Newbie
08/08/2007 10:54 AM  
Pam this is great news very proud of Petey learning. Opel growls in her sleep when we move her she never wakes up we just move her all over the place she likes to sleep up near our shoulders but she is a lil heat machine so we move her a lot the only time she gets territorial over the bed is when Rico or gui gets on it and we been following the all the advice you been getting with Opel and it has made a difference. Keep up the good work!
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