Ok, Skipper is definitely crate trained and we didn't have any problem with him in there until yesterday.  Bill thought he should access to water in there because we're gone so long (10 hours).  Well, apparently he had to pee during the day.  Now he will use the potty pad I sit out for them each day when we go to work (because we're gone so long). 

Yesterday he pulled the potty pad into the crate and tore it up - my fault for leaving it too close to his crate.  But he also peed - not in the crate though - he stood as close to the edge as he could and peed outside of the crate!

So - how do you prevent that?  And does he need to have water in there while we're gone?

Typically during a work week Mayfly will use the potty pad about twice, Skipper does once in a great while and every couple of months Mitzy will.