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rattytatty


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07/29/2007 2:01 PM  

I've just recently learned more about this thing called prey drive.  Some of you might be interested...

One of the behavioral traits shared by both dogs and cats is something called prey drive. This is the instinct that drives a cat to ferociously chase a bug, a piece of string, or any other small, erratically moving object.

In dogs, the degree of prey drive varies from breed to breed and then again from dog to dog within those breeds. Many terriers have an over-the-top prey drive, developed from centuries of rodent hunting. The prey drive of many of the sporting dogs is shaped and conditioned into retrieving behavior: the human actually kills the prey and the canine simply fetches it without eating it. Prey drive is not always a problem in the more versatile working and herding breeds, who tend to be higher in defense (guarding behavior... such as the german shepherds I've worked with) and may have been developed to protect other species of animals that would look like dinner to a more primitive animal such as a wolf or a coyote.

Dogs who exhibit high prey drive should never be placed in a home where there are cats, ferrets, rabbits or other small animals. These are dogs who see every other species of animal as a potential meal. They also are the ones who tend to vigorously chase cars, bicycles and joggers. This doesn't make them bad dogs; most of the high prey dogs have sunny temperaments and do just fine with obedience commands. They just need to be more carefully placed than some of the other breeds.  However.... as a pup when the prey drive is not developed, it's often difficult to know how strong this prey drive will end up being.

So... a word of caution....when your dog is off lead in your house, be prepared for him to take liberties. If his intentions have been proven as merely playful, you have less to worry about on the occasion that he does chase your cat. If you've been consistent with your obedience training all along, a firm "NO CATS" might help reel him back in.  If not, go back to on-lead training in the house. Try to anticipate trouble. If you notice that your dog is "stalking" the kitty, interrupt him with "NO CATS" and the command sequence. Then distract him with a little playtime and praise. If the cat is in the middle of one of those strange tizzies that come upon members of the feline species, be prepared to step in and control your dog. Even the most laid-back older dog can be persuaded to join in the fun when presented with a spinning, spazzing ball of fur.  

        To avoid serious trouble, don't expect your dog to blindly accept kitty's presence on your lap, on the kitchen table, or near any of the dog's property (crate, food dish, toys). Dogs live in a physical world and equate proximity with possession; in other words, a cat on your lap is "staking you out" in the dog's mind. A cat near his crate or food is a threat to his possessions and territory. This doesn't mean that you don't allow your cat her usual freedom in your home; it just means that you have to police your dog a little more closely at first. After the first few weeks, you'll learn what provokes cat chasing in your new dog, and he'll learn what the limits are regarding it.

The most important thing to remember in the whole cat/dog relationship thing is that we as human beings cannot be privy to what sets a dog off against one cat while he might tolerate cuddling from another.  If you adopt a dog that you've been told is cat safe but you still have a problem, don't just assume that it will disappear.   Take precautions, and don't leave them alone together without close supervision!

 

michelle


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
07/29/2007 6:26 PM  

Great information.


michelle, mom to Sydney (JRT), Sonic (Rattie), Buddy(Jack-Rat) and Proud mom to Army son, Jordan

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KristenP


Ratastic
Ratastic
07/29/2007 7:42 PM  
Thanks a lot. I too have cats and they can be cuddling with Topper one minute and hissing at him another.
cherylwordweaver


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
07/29/2007 9:20 PM  
Nora,
I would love to be taking that class with you. It sounds like it is chock full of great stuff. One day, when mom is better, I will be able to get back on track but tonight I just had to check in on the site to see what was going on. Mom is sleepig comfortably at least for the moment so I popped on.

This post reminded me of the dog that my Aka is named after, He was a Jack Russell and was very well trained, very well behaved and highly intelligent. He also shared his home with a calico cat who lived most of the time outside but had indoor privileges too.

He knew he wasn't supposed to "hurt" the kitty (meaning bark, chase, etc) and he was really good but one day, the cat just went oo far and too total unfair advantage of Aka's prohibition against retailiation against her.

I had been watching them and that Aka had shown amazing restraint and patience but you could tell it was coming to an end. Now he knew that there would be consequenses to his behavior if he chased the cat but he decided it was worth it.

I mean I could see his gears turning in his head. He would look at the cat, then at me and then at his bed where he would have to sit in a time out if he chased. After mulling it over for a few minutes, you could actually see him decide that he just couldn't stand it and he took off after the cat. He ran her up a palm tree and before I could even say anything, he went and sat down on his outside bed! But the funny part was you could see his face and hear his under the breath mumbling and I just knew he was saying, " I don't care. I'll take the time out, it was worth it, dratted cat got on my last nerve, I 'll just sit here and take it like a man but boy oh boy that cat...."

I had to run into the bathroom at the end of the house to laugh because I didn't want him to see me.

He was some dog!!

I think his spirit visits my Aka ever so often!!

Thanks for a great insight into dog behavior!!

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tauney4


Pack Leader
Pack Leader
07/30/2007 12:25 AM  
thank you for the information that was all alot to absorb. where do you all find the information you guys have good info!!!!!!
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
07/30/2007 6:43 AM  
I'm taking a canine behavior class... it's most interesting. Even though for years, I've THOUGHT some of this stuff... it's nice to study it and be able to evaluate actual dogs and dog behavior. It has given me much insight... though I'm far from being a professional dog behaviorist... I'm learning! In my opinion... a person can train a dog better if they can understand the behavior. And... each dog behaves differently sometimes, although some behaviors are always going to be exhibited by canines...regardless of breed or tempermant.
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
07/30/2007 7:03 AM  

"Dogs who exhibit high prey drive should never be placed in a home where there are cats, ferrets, rabbits or other small animals. "  This was the start of our problem with Skipper - the shelter assurred us he got along great with cats....from day 1 he had no problem with them IF they didn't move...but Yoda, the large male cat, would get chased if he ran.  Then, of course, we have a small female who is just mentally unbalanced/wired wrong.  SHE attacks the dogs sometimes.

Well, long story short, Skipper almost killed her Saturday morning while I was out.  Apparently he has a strong prey drive and when this cat goes pyscho....  well, the other dogs joined him and it became a pack.  Skipper had multiple scratches, Loco a few on her face and chest.  M&M had no blood or scratches - I believe they stayed in the back and mostly barked.  The cat, amazingly, had only a chunk of fur missing and one bite on the leg which only broke the skin.  However, she was exhausted when I got home and I believe because of that she would have been killed if I hadn't gotten there when I did.

Skipper is now crated when we are not at home. 


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rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
07/30/2007 10:24 AM  
That's one reason I posted this, Mary Beth.... because of the incident you dealt with this past weekend. I'm proud of you for crating Skipper... thereby protecting him AND your cat. You were fortunate that your cat wasn't killed... fortunate that all your dogs didn't jump in on the action. Dogs "feed" off each other.. so if you have a dog who has high prey drive... and three that don't.... and the one who does chases something, it is HIGHLY likely the other dogs will chase too, even though they didn't initiate the chase.

In my household, I have one dog who always initiates the barking (using this as an example here...). If she's not around, the devil himself could come to the door and no one would bark. But if she's around? If anyone even turns into the driveway from the main road, she starts barking... the others chime in. This is an example of how dogs feed on the behavior of each other.... it's all pack related.

I'm glad your pets were not injured any worse than they were. Crating Skipper was a very very wise choice...
ClareClaymore


Newbie
Newbie
07/30/2007 11:35 AM  
This is great we are Dealing With Kitty cat/ Puppy territory issues now they are like a roller coaster. Thanks Fro posting this
Lucy's Colleen


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
07/30/2007 12:25 PM  
Great information. Lucy is probably on the medium side of this. She pushes the cats around without harming them. I think a lot of it is jealousy issues though. She hates when they get attention and she's not so she chases them off the couch. Thank you for posting

Colleen

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