jasper123

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| 07/23/2007 9:13 AM |
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Hi, I just adopted a rat terrier/ Chihuahua named Jasper. Someone stabbed him in the belly and starved him. I got him from a lady that saved him from a kill shelter.
He ia 3.5 mths old. I have a 9 year old poodle shih tzu mix anf two cats. He is doing great but attached like glue to me. He does not trust anyone and runs around barks growls and snapped once at my 18 year old son. He now loves all my kids I have a 13, 15 and 18 year old boys and my husband. It took allot of time for my oldest son but sometimes he still acts like he is going to bite him. He also now likes my step children ages 12, 10 and 8. That took a day and then we started from square one the next day. By sunday he loved them. They come every other weekend. When new people come over, which can happen allot in my house because I have a big family he growls barks and if they reached to pet him he runs. I don't want him to bite what should I do to get him use to people? I have all the family get togethers and I want a happy friendly dog. The lady I got him from said sqhurt him with water when he won't stop growling and barking. That does work but then he hides on one of the kids and is very upset. I can have a person over to the house for hours and he will sniff them let them touch him a little but later start barking and growling again. I love this dog just want to teach him early how to behave. He acts like I am his pet and know one is going to touch him when I am around. If I leave him with for example with my 18 year old he will lay on him and stay with him but when I come back he barks when my son walks around the house.
Help me!!
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swatson6

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| 07/23/2007 9:17 AM |
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| Welcome to the site!! Don't forget pics!! |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/23/2007 9:21 AM |
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Bless you for taking this little guy in! Someone stabbed him? He's only 3.5 months old? OMG
First of all, I don't blame him for being scared of people after that! It will take some time and patience for him to get over that and be comfortable with your whole family.
We have an excellent Training Moderator and several other members who are great at training advice. I would suggest you post about this again over in the Training Forum - sometimes Nora (Training Moderator) only has time to check that forum and might not see your post over here.
He'll be a wonderful little dog once he trusts you! (I've got 2 rat-chi mixes). |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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jasper123

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| 07/23/2007 10:53 AM |
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Thank you!!!
He is so loving and is very smart!!!!!
He did do well with us I only have had him for 1 week 3 days.
Just was told to stop his growling early. I remind everyone that he has been stabbed so give him a break. The lady I got him from said he never did that at her house so she thought he was running the show. She told me I have to be pack leader not just mom. He is spending more time now with my kids. He does like his new family just when someone knew comes in he won't stop following them around and barking. I tell them to not touch him and I tell him NO. If he won't stop I spray him with water. That really works but then he ignores me and sits with the kids, he acts like I am terrible. I go back to work soon and my mom will be letting him out to go to the bath room. I don't want her to get bit when she gets him from the crate. I have never used a crate with my dogs but he likes to eat all the cats, and my dogs food up. He also digs, rips up things and gets on my kitchen table. I can't leave him alone without crating. I have always left them in a bathroom or kitchen but I won't with this one. He eats everything. Good thing he is like my knew baby, I love him soooooooooooooooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/23/2007 11:02 AM |
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Posted By jasper123 on 07/23/2007 10:53 AM
Thank you!!!
He is so loving and is very smart!!!!!
He did do well with us I only have had him for 1 week 3 days.
Just was told to stop his growling early. I remind everyone that he has been stabbed so give him a break. The lady I got him from said he never did that at her house so she thought he was running the show. She told me I have to be pack leader not just mom. He is spending more time now with my kids. He does like his new family just when someone knew comes in he won't stop following them around and barking. I tell them to not touch him and I tell him NO. If he won't stop I spray him with water. That really works but then he ignores me and sits with the kids, he acts like I am terrible. I go back to work soon and my mom will be letting him out to go to the bath room. I don't want her to get bit when she gets him from the crate. I have never used a crate with my dogs but he likes to eat all the cats, and my dogs food up. He also digs, rips up things and gets on my kitchen table. I can't leave him alone without crating. I have always left them in a bathroom or kitchen but I won't with this one. He eats everything. Good thing he is like my knew baby, I love him soooooooooooooooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aw, sounds like he has a wonderful home now! Totally true he should not growl at anyone and yes, you do need to be his pack leader. ...that is part of his confidence building....
Good idea to crate him while you're gone, it will protect him as well as the cats. Just a thought but you can also leave the cat food up where he can't get it. And maybe feed the dogs at specific times instead of leaving food down all the time..?
Can your mom spend some time with him before you go back to work? Let her handle him some and show she is alpha/pack leader over him? That way he'll be used to her letting him out to potty. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/23/2007 12:53 PM |
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| Do you have any pics of him? |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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DaisysMom

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| 07/23/2007 1:22 PM |
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Bless you for rescuing this poor pup. We look forward to seeing pics of him soon. The fact that he was stabbed he horrifying and I'm sure traumatizing. That being said, however, (and I am not trying to sound cold or heartless here) what's done is done, and you can't go back and prevent it. Dogs live in the present and while what was done to him before may cause him to act out now, it's not necessarily because he is "remembering" it, not the way a person would anyway. There are dogs who are abused terribly, yet still love all over every human they come in contact with, and, as well, there are dogs who have known nothing but love yet still exhibit shyness/fear/aggression around strange people. My point being that the abuse he has experienced may or may not have anything to do with his "issues". Also, he sounds extremely bonded to you. You may inadvertently be sending signals to your pup when he is in an agitated state. If you offer him any signs of affection, sympathy, consolation, etc., when he is acting out at others in your house it will only serve to solidify in his mind that this behavior is appropriate and necessary, otherwise you wouldn't be comforting him. Now you may not be doing this, I just want to point it out because many people - including myself by the way - have to be reminded that dogs are not people and in order to get them into a healthy happy state-of-mind we must approach and treat them as dogs in a pack and not as people who need reassurance, comfort, etc.... The way I always describe what one's attitude should be in this type of situation is "matter-of-fact". You need to calmly and confidently assert yourself. The previous lady who saved him from the kill shelter is right - it's vitally important that you see yourself and make him see you as pack leader not his "mommy". You are also correct to tell people entering your house not to touch him. I advise people coming to visit (and maybe ask someone to visit often so you and he can practice his behavior) that they shouldn't acknowledge him (or any dog for that matter) at all. Go about your business, talk and visit, and act like he is not there. This gives him time to sniff (which is a dog's preferred method for getting to know someone) and become interested in the new visitor without feeling threatened or overwhelmed. I'd also suggest keeping him on a light leash or cord so that you can offer a quick correction and "SHHH" if he begins to bark or otherwise act out. But remember to immediately go back to your conversation or activity - do not pay him a lot of attention: positive or negative or he'll only continuet he behavior. Sorry for the very long post and I'm positive our training moderator, Nora, will see this and have even more specific ideas and suggestions for you so that you all can work this out. |
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jeremy

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| 07/23/2007 1:45 PM |
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Poor little guy!! There's some very good advice up there above this post & I'm certain Nora will have more . It probably will take some serious time for the little guy to overcome his issues, but I know you can do it. What's good is that he's so young, that will make things a little easier. Best of luck to you!! |
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Natasha

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| 07/23/2007 1:50 PM |
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| oh wow thats so upsetting that someone could abuse a helpless little pup like that! i am so glad you took him into a loving home! i hope it gets better i am sure it will cant wait to see pics! |
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jasper123

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| 07/23/2007 1:52 PM |
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I agree I changed my methods when my step children came. We just let him get use to them. I told them don't touch him until he comes to you and then open hand let him smell you. I took two nights but by Sunday he was all over them.
When knew people come in I watch him and maybe that is wrong. I tell him No when he barks and growls. I tell people not to grab or touch him. I should just ignore it maybe but I follow him around and say no. People come in and move around my kids friends and I try to stop it fast by not letting him think it ok. I usually grab the sprayer and squirt him with water. If you play with him he loves you faster. I know I was the problem at first. He is getting better he sits with everyone not just me and everyone walks him. It is stranger I worry about!!!!!
I love all the advise!!!!
Just want a happy dog. We also took him to petsmart, and to look at campers. He was really good. He even let people touch him and played with a little pug. My husband was holding him and let him do more then I would. I am more protective I am afraid he will bite or a big dog will hurt him. He is afraid of big dogs he only weighs 5 pounds. MAybe I give him the wrong message. |
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Dillydog

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| 07/23/2007 1:59 PM |
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You've gotten great advice from others, and I have nothing to add. Just wanted to welcome you too, and ask you to keep us posted on this sweet little guy. Oh, and I have to agree with others- if someone had treated me the way he was treated I'd be pretty traumatized too! |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/23/2007 2:19 PM |
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| I just wanted to add that Tracey's advice of being "matter of fact" around is good. I have a 2 yr. old rattie (Mayfly) who is very shy with new people. She was never abused (we've had her since she was 9 weeks old). If we have new people in the house and we all just ignore her she will eventually go over to the new person and sniff them. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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rattytatty

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| 07/23/2007 9:05 PM |
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I agree with the "matter of fact" method. In fact, I would work on crate training him immediately. When new people come to the house, and if he is out of the crate... tell them to ignore him and let HIM warm up to them. Sounds like he's been through a lot to be so young... it's perfectly understandable that he's threatened by people and insecure. The ideal way to handle it is to put him in his crate before you let new people in the house... let them get settled and THEN let him out of the crate and advise the people not to bother him. Let him feel his way through this with as little stress from others as possible. If someone grabs at him, he's afraid and may bite out of fear... which is a perfectly normal response from his standpoint. The crate will become his "safe place" and it sounds like that's what he's needing. Tracey's advice is excellent advice. He's been with you only a short time and sounds like he's had more than his share of trauma even at his young age. Cut him some slack and don't push him. He will come around, but it might take some time and patience... and cooperation from others.. God bless you for giving this little guy a loving, forever home! |
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jasper123

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| 07/24/2007 10:58 AM |
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Thank you for all the advise. I have been trying to change my approach. I am a protective person and might be making him feel like protecting me his knew mom. Today he is hanging out on my couch quietly. Not doing anything. He is all by himself and I am on the computer. That is very good he usually is looking for something to do always looking for trouble. Hey my mom just walked in he barked but when Ginger my other dog greated her with love he is on her lap now kissing play bitting and loving her up. Good sign
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/24/2007 12:14 PM |
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Posted By jasper123 on 07/24/2007 10:58 AM
Thank you for all the advise. I have been trying to change my approach. I am a protective person and might be making him feel like protecting me his knew mom. Today he is hanging out on my couch quietly. Not doing anything. He is all by himself and I am on the computer. That is very good he usually is looking for something to do always looking for trouble. Hey my mom just walked in he barked but when Ginger my other dog greated her with love he is on her lap now kissing play bitting and loving her up. Good sign
Yay! Good boy!
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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no1_ksu_fan

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| 07/24/2007 12:17 PM |
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Bless you for rescuing him. My little bit of advice that I read and used it that by the time the pup is 5-6 months they should be introduced to over 100 different people. That helps with further interaction when they are older. My pup loves to be petted by everyone and runs to strangers to pet him. He is a little tenitive with small kids because he has had a few run in with kids who want to pick him up and pull on his ears etc. I had to remove him from them and carry him around or kennel him so he would be safe but he loves all.
I think he just has trust issues because of the way he was brought up for the first 3.5 months. Let him keep taking his time and once he knows you won't hurt him he will be fine...
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rattytatty

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| 07/24/2007 12:25 PM |
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I'm glad things are better for you today. Smart move to just let him be... allow him to warm up to you gradually at HIS pace for now... and allow him the opportunity not to be overly "touched" by others when they come into your home. Allow him to observe.. to take in his surroundings at his own pace and come to the realization that no one is going to harm him. If he wants to lay on the couch and not be bothered... let him do so. As time passes I highly suspect you'll see him come around and become more confident and sociable. But to force him to be sociable at this point could be very damaging to his future behavior. Time... patience... consistence... are the keys. I cannot begin to emphasize enough the importance of crate training him. If that's him in your avatar picture.. he's adorable! |
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Bokilink

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| 07/24/2007 1:19 PM |
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| watch thte dog wisperer on national geographic channel!!! sounds like he has littel dog syndrome (or napoleon complex) good luck and your awesome for rescueing him! |
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BonitaKaz

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| 07/24/2007 1:28 PM |
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Poor baby!!! I am so glad that he has found a loving home. I think the advice you've gotten was really good. and it seems that he's doing better  |
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KristenP

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| 07/24/2007 7:22 PM |
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| Welcome! I am glad that you are making such good advances. My topper was a rescue too! |
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Natasha

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| 07/24/2007 8:02 PM |
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| awww from your avitar he looks adorable! |
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afmac55

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| 07/26/2007 6:53 AM |
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| Welcome, just to let you know, my Maggie is shy and we've had her since she was 9weeks old. Everyone that comes to my house knows the drill...no attention until she is ready. She will snap if someone she doesn't know very well reaches out for her. She has snapped at the vet twice. She is around people all the time too. We have neighbors over and we take her everywhere. It's the way she is. If someone comes over and ignores her, in like 2 minutes (by the time they sit down) she is in their lap giving them face licks!!! It's on her terms. I thought socializing her with other dogs and people would help but in our house it's on her terms. |
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Christy~Maggie's Mom
"Some days you're the dog, some days you're the hydrant." - Unknown
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Tinkerbelle's Mommy

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| 07/26/2007 8:47 AM |
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She looks so precious in the avatar. There are some other pups here with similar markings. I love her eyes! She is so lucky to have found a big family to love her. I'm sure she will get better every day with all of the people you have coming and going. I would seriously use the crate when you are not there. If ratties are left to their own, they do want to chew. Mine is 10 months old and I put her in the crate whenever I have to leave the house and sometimes when I am there, but too busy to keep an eye on her...such as cooking dinner. Otherwise, she eats my daughters toys, chews are shoes, gets napkins or paper out of trash cans. She is a great dog, but she likes to chew on things and I'm sure she would destroy my house if I left her alone with free range. She still sleeps with me at night, but the crate is a life saver for all of the other times. They are very lovable animals and they want to please their owners, so I'm sure she will be easy to train with the help of a crate.
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jasper123

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| 07/30/2007 7:59 PM |
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Hi everyone, Jasper is doing much better. :He really thinks he rules the house. When I go back to work in September I am worried about crating him all day. My mom will be letting out at 11.00 am I leave at 7:00 am and get home at 3pm. Is that to long in a crate? I have never crated a dog. Do you give them food and water in it. He has a medium dog crate size, he is 5 pounds now. We also thought about making a good size dog fence that would be covered because he doesn't like to pee or poop in rain and winter time I hope he goes quick. I walk him three times a day now and he goes after every bird, bug, bunny etc. and loves long grass like fields. He takes forever and I alway say go potty over and over. He does understand just can't keep him focused. By the way we don't plan to leave him outside just let him out to do business in the run.
I do thing he has little dog syndrome (or napoleon complex). I think I know what you mean. But he also acts like I will growl and bark first then if I don't think you will hurt me I might let you touch me. He is very different out of our home and car. He doesn't bark just is very shy. |
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DaisysMom

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| 07/30/2007 8:04 PM |
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| Well Jasper should be able to hold it about 4.5 hours at a time now. Do you crate him now for any period of time and how does he do? You should not put food in the crate. Feed him early enough that he can go poo before you leave. I have a guinea pig sized water bottle attached to Daisy's crate, so if she gets thirsty she can have a drink during the day. With your Mom coming to let him out at 11, he should be just fine. But I would work on building him up to it. |
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swatson6

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| 07/30/2007 8:05 PM |
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| Glad he is doing well. That isn't too long to crate him at all. No food or water or you may end up with accidents. It is nice your mom can let him out. Have you tried staying in one spot to go potty first and then reward him with a walk after he goes? Keep us posted!! |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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jasper123

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| 07/30/2007 8:27 PM |
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He pees right away, he walks to go poop. I get up at 5am he goes out and pees comes in and eats. I take him out after and walk him but he sometimmes does not go until 10:00 am. If he won't go after he eats I let him run around then I crate him go take care of horses come back and take a shower and try walking again. If he does not go I put him back in the crate after he finally goes poop I let him have free time in the house until I have to go some place. He sometimes poops three times a day but takes forever. He likes to play around with bugs etc. I just hope he will take advantage of the 11:00 am time my mom comes over and does both businesses. My dog ginger goes out pees and poops right away. I guess if he won't go for me in the morning he will go quicker for my mom, or learn to. He goes in his crate 3 times a day morning, afternoon, dinner time and 9:00 pm at night. Any time I have to go do something or when I am in the house and he needs to go take a break, I crate him know. I am increasing it slowly. Does anyone use a dog fence not a metal one my husband wants to build a white fence just big enough for him to sniff around go both ways and come in for bad weather. It will be covered partly. |
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