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Shadows Mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
06/05/2007 10:55 AM  

Hi,  I was so excited the other day when we were at home and Shadow rung the bell to go potty all by himself.  I got distracted here at work and couldn't share at that time.  Now, I have a situation.  I went over my boyfriends apartment this weekend with Shadow in tow.  I had his crate, his treats, his favorite toy and all the accessories.  I even stuck to his potty schedule that we have at home.  For some reason, he went on the floor at his place.  He would go outside and do both of his business but when we would leave him alone for even a little while he would sneak off and potty inside.  Because this isn't a comfortable area for me, my boyfriend takes him out for his late night potty and he won't do anything for him.  I have to do it.  Another thing is that the swiming pool is inside facing all the apartments in this small complex.  I found out that Shadow is a dare devil and absolutely LOVES the water.  However because this is the complex pool and not a private pool we couldn't let him enjoy it as much as he wanted to. 

As you can see I have 2 problems,  he is on the couch looking out the window watching us swim and he cries and howls like crazy.  I put him in his crate, he can hear the water splashing or us talking and goes crazy too.  Anyone with suggestions.  I want Shadow to get used to both places but until he is completely potty trained (which I thought he would be by now)   I may have to just endure.  Pleas any suggestions are greatly appreciated.  Thanks


Shadow's Mom

Laugh, dance and drink like nobody's watching cause life is too short.
Mitzy's Mom


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
06/05/2007 11:03 AM  
I'm sure Nora will have some advice for you but I wanted to say that it does take some time for a puppy to get used to two different places when they've just become housetrained at one place. It can throw them way off kilter so it's best to crate him or keep him on a leash when you're over at bf's until he's more reliable. JMO

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

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Shadows Mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
06/05/2007 4:17 PM  
Thanks Mary Beth. I was thinking the same thing as I feel totally sad for him as I confused him. I will just keep him crated when I am there, but he whines so much and that just makes me cry too. I have been so hard on myself now that I am back home. But I know he isn't a child, he is my pet... but sometimes it is sure hard to feel the difference. I love him so much and I want him to get this potty thing down. He is six months now and I've only had him for two. My house feels like it has been forever with all his toys!


Shadow's Mom

Laugh, dance and drink like nobody's watching cause life is too short.
Russ' Pal


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
06/05/2007 4:30 PM  
Congrats on Shadow ringing the bell!

Was it just urinating in your boyfriend's apt? Or did he poop? If it's just urine, probably just marking behavior-Nora has a really good thread about this at the top of the training forum.

I imagine he will need time before he is comfortable being left alone at this new place-and is sure you will come back for him. Also, he may be little unsure of the pack order over at your boyfriend's place?

-Sarah, pal to Russ & Peca
Shadows Mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
06/05/2007 7:09 PM  
Sarah,
I forgot about the pack order thing. Also, I was thinking about the fact that my bf has a cat. But the cat stays hidden all the time. Shadow found her and she ran, but other than that it is like he is the only animal there. I will have to teach my bf the alpha role in Shadow's life and in the mean time I'll be the one doing the training reinforcement while I am there.

Shadow's Mom

Laugh, dance and drink like nobody's watching cause life is too short.
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
06/06/2007 7:09 AM  
I don't know how old Shadow is, but he looks like a pup in your avatar. Don't ask too much of him at this point in time... he's probably confused. If you are the one he will do his "business" for... then you take him to do it. If you are uncomfortable in the neighborhood.. then ask your b/f to accompany you.

You said "....when we would leave him alone for even a little while he would sneak off and potty inside." You also mentioned that you had his crate. Where was it? I would advise leaving him in it when you leave him alone because he will be MUCH less likely to go potty while you are gone if he's in his crate. Remember - an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure??? Also... why is he on the couch when you are swimming? Again... he should be in his crate. He's in a different place... a different environment...and they simply do not act the same in different environments as they do at home. Sorry... that's just not in the cards for him yet. But with patience and proper training... it WILL be !! I think you hit the nail on the head when you say "I may just have to endure". It's what we ALL have to do when raising this little pups into well behaved adults... just like kids.

Hang in there with Shadow and try not to be frustrated. Sounds like you've made great strides in teaching him to ring the bell for you. But you can't expect him to do that in a different location... not for awhile yet.

I think it's great that you are taking him different places... it's great socialization for Shadow. But he needs to learn his "place" and that will come with time.

Good luck to you and please keep us posted!
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
06/06/2007 7:11 AM  
Also... (forgot to mention this)... your dog needs ONE alpha.. not two. If you are the owner, YOU need to be the alpha. You and your boyfriend can't both be the alphas. You can train Shadow to respect your b/f and obey him. But you will always need to be the alpha in this dog's life.

Shadows Mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
06/06/2007 5:12 PM  
Nora,
Thanks for the advice. It is much greatly appreciated as I didn't know about the Alpha being only one person. It is indeed me because we just click and I get him to obey me all the time. With the couch thing, I took him out cause he could be heard whining and barking outside very loud. Shadow just made 7 months as he was born in November 2006. He is has also just lost his 2nd tooth. This is new for me as he is my first puppy. I've had lots of dogs before that I received already trained. However long this may take, I won't give up and I am going to schedule him for beginner's class at Petsmark. I appreciate this board a lot and being part of the group.

Shadow's Mom

Laugh, dance and drink like nobody's watching cause life is too short.
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
06/07/2007 8:52 AM  
Shadow's Mom -- we're glad you are here too! We've all been where you are (90% of us anyways...) and know the time and commitment it takes with a puppy. I am surprised, however, that at 7 months of age, he is just now losing his second tooth. If you haven't already, please have his teeth checked... sometimes the baby teeth have to be pulled to make room for the permanent teeth. I had to have two of Bailey's baby teeth pulled because the permanent teeth were all the way through and the baby teeth were still there. If you see permanent teeth erupting through the gums and baby teeth still intact, please see your vet and seek his advice on this issue, ok? Leaving baby teeth in with permanent teeth will ruin the permanent teeth.

Also... sometimes putting a kong filled with peanut butter in the crate with a dog helps occupy the dog. Another thing you can do is put a blanket or sheet over the crate to make it more like a "den" (warm and dark). It might actually help if he can't see you. These are just suggestions you might wish to try. Good for you for hanging in there and doing what it takes to correct what is actually very typical behavior for a puppy!

Please keep us posted on your progress, ok? Good luck! (Shadow is beautiful by the way)
Shadows Mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
06/07/2007 12:54 PM  
Thanks for such wonderful advice. I will keep you updated.

Shadow's Mom

Laugh, dance and drink like nobody's watching cause life is too short.
Scott


Rattie
Rattie
06/14/2007 9:53 PM  

 I got to disagree with this one. In the real dog world there is sledom more than one pack leader however a dog can learn to respect 2 or more packleaders but they both have to work at being the packleader during walks and in training. Rhett will mind me, my wife, or my 8yr old daughter he does mind me best I will say but he doesn't mess around with either of them when they give a command.

Scott

 

Posted By rattytatty on 06/06/2007 7:11 AM
Also... (forgot to mention this)... your dog needs ONE alpha.. not two. If you are the owner, YOU need to be the alpha. You and your boyfriend can't both be the alphas. You can train Shadow to respect your b/f and obey him. But you will always need to be the alpha in this dog's life.

 


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Ex Training Moderator
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rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
06/14/2007 10:33 PM  
Rhett may obey your wife and your daughter, but YOU are the alpha. Yes.... as you say.... a dog CAN learn to respect two or more people in a household... absolutely! You said it yourself... he minds you the best. Wonder why that is??? My dogs obey hubby too... but I'm the alpha in our household. They have been taught to obey hubby, but they look to me for the leadership.
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