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rattytatty

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| 04/17/2007 2:20 PM |
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The following article was published by the United States Humane Society. You may access this article at:
http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_care/our_pets_for_life_program/dog_behavior_tip_sheets/crate_training.html
If you like nothing better than coming home from a hard day's work and finding that your dog decided to "go" on the couch or use your favorite slippers as a new chew toy, then crate training isn't for you. But, if you're like most people, then using a crate to properly train your dog will be time well spent. Crate training takes some time and effort, but it is a proven way to help train dogs who act inappropriately without knowing any better. If you have a new dog or puppy, you can use the crate to limit his access to the house until he learns all the house rules—like what he can and can't chew on and where he can and can't eliminate. A crate is also a safe way of transporting your dog in the car or taking him places where he may not be welcome to run freely. If you properly train your dog to use the crate, he'll think of it as his safe place and will be happy to spend time there when needed.
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Selecting a Crate
Crates may be plastic (often called "flight kennels" or collapsible, metal pens. They come in different sizes and can be purchased at most pet supply stores. Your dog's crate should be just large enough for him to stand up and turn around in. If your dog is still growing, choose a crate size that will accommodate his adult size. Block off the excess crate space so your dog can't eliminate at one end and retreat to the other.
The Crate Training Process
Crate training can take days or weeks, depending on your dog's age, temperament, and past experiences. It's important to keep two things in mind while crate training: The crate should always be associated with something pleasant, and training should take place in a series of small steps. Don't go too fast.
Step 1: Introducing Your Dog to the Crate
- Place the crate in an area of your house where the family spends a lot of time, such as the family room. Put a soft blanket or towel in the crate. Bring your dog over to the crate and talk to him in a happy tone of voice. Make sure the crate door is open and secured so that it won't hit your dog and frighten him.
- To encourage your dog to enter the crate, drop some small food treats nearby, then just inside the door, and finally, all the way inside the crate. If he refuses to go all the way in at first, that's okay; don't force him to enter. Continue tossing treats into the crate until your dog will walk calmly all the way into the crate to get the food. If he isn't interested in treats, try tossing a favorite toy in the crate. This step may take a few minutes or as long as several days.
Step 2: Feeding Your Dog His Meals in the Crate
- After introducing your dog to the crate, begin feeding him his regular meals near the crate. This will create a pleasant association with the crate. If your dog is readily entering the crate when you begin Step 2, place the food dish all the way at the back of the crate. If instead your dog remains reluctant to enter the crate, put the dish only as far inside as he will readily go without becoming fearful or anxious. Each time you feed him, place the dish a little further back in the crate.
- Once your dog is standing comfortably in the crate to eat his meal, you can close the door while he's eating. The first time you do this, open the door as soon as he finishes his meal. With each successive feeding, leave the door closed a few minutes longer, until he's staying in the crate for ten minutes or so after eating. If he begins to whine to be let out, you may have increased the length of time too quickly. Next time, try leaving him in the crate for a shorter time period. If he does whine or cry in the crate, it's imperative that you not let him out until he stops. Otherwise, he'll learn that the way to get out of the crate is to whine, so he'll keep doing it.
Step 3: Conditioning Your Dog to the Crate for Longer Time Periods
- After your dog is eating his regular meals in the crate with no sign of fear or anxiety, you can confine him there for short time periods while you're home. Call him over to the crate and give him a treat. Give him a command to enter, such as "kennel." Encourage him by pointing to the inside of the crate with a treat in your hand. After your dog enters the crate, praise him, give him the treat, and close the door. Sit quietly near the crate for five to ten minutes and then go into another room for a few minutes. Return, sit quietly again for a short time, then let him out of the crate.
- Repeat this process several times a day. With each repetition, gradually increase the length of time you leave him in the crate and the length of time you're out of his sight. Once your dog will stay quietly in the crate for about 30 minutes with you out of sight the majority of the time, you can begin leaving him crated when you're gone for short time periods and/or letting him sleep there at night. This may take several days or several weeks.
Step 4, Part A: Crating Your Dog When Left Alone
- After your dog can spend about 30 minutes in the crate without becoming anxious or afraid, you can begin leaving him crated for short periods when you leave the house. Put him in the crate using your regular command and a treat. You might also want to leave him with a few safe toys in the crate. You'll want to vary at what point in your "getting ready to leave" routine you put your dog in the crate. Although he shouldn't be crated for a long time before you leave, you can crate him anywhere from five to 20 minutes prior to leaving.
- Don't make your departures emotional and prolonged, but matter-of-fact. Praise your dog briefly, give him a treat for entering the crate, and then leave quietly. When you return home, don't reward your dog for excited behavior by responding to him in an excited, enthusiastic way. Keep arrivals low key to avoid increasing his anxiety over when you will return. Continue to crate your dog for short periods from time to time when you're home so he doesn't associate crating with being left alone.
Step 4, Part B: Crating Your Dog at Night
- Put your dog in the crate using your regular command and a treat. Initially, it may be a good idea to put the crate in your bedroom or nearby in a hallway, especially if you have a puppy. Puppies often need to go outside to eliminate during the night, and you'll want to be able to hear your puppy when he whines to be let outside.
- Older dogs, too, should initially be kept nearby so that they don't associate the crate with social isolation. Once your dog is sleeping comfortably through the night with his crate near you, you can begin to gradually move it to the location you prefer, although time spent with your dog—even sleep time—is a chance to strengthen the bond between you and your pet.
Potential Problems
- Too Much Time In The Crate. A crate isn't a magical solution. If not used correctly, a dog can feel trapped and frustrated. For example, if your dog is crated all day while you're at work and then crated again all night, he's spending too much time in too small a space. Other arrangements should be made to meet his physical and emotional needs. Also remember that puppies under six months of age shouldn't stay in a crate for more than three or four hours at a time. They can't control their bladders and bowels for longer periods.
- Whining. If your dog whines or cries while in the crate at night, it may be difficult to decide whether he's whining to be let out of the crate, or whether he needs to be let outside to eliminate. If you've followed the training procedures outlined above, then your dog hasn't been rewarded for whining in the past by being released from his crate. If that is the case, try to ignore the whining. If your dog is just testing you, he'll probably stop whining soon. Yelling at him or pounding on the crate will only make things worse.
If the whining continues after you've ignored him for several minutes, use the phrase he associates with going outside to eliminate. If he responds and becomes excited, take him outside. This should be a trip with a purpose, not play time. If you're convinced that your dog doesn't need to eliminate, the best response is to ignore him until he stops whining. Don't give in; if you do, you'll teach your dog to whine loud and long to get what he wants. If you've progressed gradually through the training steps and haven't done too much too fast, you'll be less likely to encounter this problem. If the problem becomes unmanageable, you may need to start the crate training process over again.
- Separation Anxiety. Attempting to use the crate as a remedy for separation anxiety won't solve the problem. A crate may prevent your dog from being destructive, but he may injure himself in an attempt to escape from the crate. Separation anxiety problems can only be resolved with counter-conditioning and desensitization procedures. You may want to consult a professional animal-behavior specialist for help.
©2002. Adapted from material originally developed by applied animal behaviorists at the Dumb Friends League, Denver, Colorado. All rights reserved. |
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DaisysMom

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| 04/17/2007 2:34 PM |
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Yay!!! Something complete and cohesive  |
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DaisysMom

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| 05/02/2007 10:19 AM |
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**BUMP*** for fastshark  |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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| 05/02/2007 10:58 AM |
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Posted By rattytatty on 04/17/2007 2:20 PM
Posted By DaisysMom on 05/02/2007 9:39 AM Under the training forum is an EXCELLENT post from Nora on crate training.
Posted By DaisysMom on 05/02/2007 10:19 AM **BUMP*** for fastshark  
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Dotti's momma

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| 06/02/2007 9:36 PM |
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| Help! My one-year old Dotti is not crate trained, but I will need to use a crate for a trip this summer. Can she be crate trained? I do want her to still sleep with me at night. I just need her to be trained to take to the crate at times of great commotion with grandchildren. Dotti is a bit to hyper for babies. And some hotels require crates. Any suggestions? I am enjoying this site immensely! Thanks for all the advice and thoughts to all! Dotti's momma, Mary |
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DaisysMom

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| 06/02/2007 9:55 PM |
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Hi, and welcome to you and Dotti, Mary Glad you're enjoying the site. There's no reason why Dotti shouldn't be able to be crate-trained. The above should provide you with most of the information to get you started. Are you home during the day? If so, that will help as you can gradually work up to longer and longer periods. The sooner you get started the better. If you have any specific questions, just ask My Daisy is now just over 16 mos. old, and she was crate trained from the first (including at night until she was reliably housebroken) but she sleeps with hubby and I, or my daughter now. |
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kp_in_scott

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| 08/12/2007 6:33 AM |
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| This has been bumped up at a most appropriate time. Amos needs a crate: BAD! |
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rattytatty

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| 08/12/2007 8:09 AM |
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Hi, Kim... this stays pinned at the top of the forum for anyone who might need it. It's an excellent article, even if it WASN'T written by me! LOL Please...get Amos a crate. It will be well worth your time. I work with a girl .. she and her hubby recently purchased a 2-month old jack russell terrier. They had never owned a dog before, and they were struggling with all the "stuff" of puppy life. She didn't want to put Walker in a crate -- said she thought it was cruel. I talked her into it and told her how to begin crate training. She came into my office on Friday and hugged my neck saying it was literally the BEST thing they could have done. They went through a week of the crying, etc... but now Walker goes right in on command. Well worth the time you invest!! |
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purpleama456

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| 08/13/2007 8:20 AM |
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Some very good crate training advice given but I have a question/concern. I just got a rat-terrier yesterday and she is only 7 weeks old. Of the 6 puppies to choose from she picked me out. The lady I got her from had all the puppies in a crate with newspaper in the bottom and food at one end. She said they all did very well with no problems but of course now Sophie is in a crate by herself and she whines. I can't leave her roaming the house by herself as I have a cat that has to adjust to this new member of ours. I just don't know what to do. Should I try the crate training advice given? I leave the house at 8 every morning for work, get home at 1 for an hour lunch and then back home at 5:30. How can I fit crate training in with that schedule. I tend to believe the whining is only because she isn't with the other puppies anymore but I don't want her to feel anxious at all. Please help. I have thought about letting her sleep in the bed with me at night so it doesn't seem like she is in the crate all the time, but given she is still such a little thing I am afriad that she may go to the bathroom in the bed. |
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rattytatty

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| 08/13/2007 9:17 AM |
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Sleeping in the bed with you is a matter of personal preference. Mine stays crated all day while I'm at work, so I allow them to sleep with me at night. I'm not a big advocate of keeping a dog crated all day and all night too, but I know several trainers who disagree with me about this. Keeping them crated day and night simply isn't enough bonding time for me. So you need to decide about this on for yourself. There are pro's and con's either way. Until she gets a bit older, however, I would put her in a crate at night until you are sure she can "hold it" all night. Having a puppy who pees in your bed isn't a great thing to have to deal with either. Once she's 4 months old, if you want her to start sleeping with you... that's certainly up to you. As far as the daytime crating... yes indeed do it. You will be glad you did. Because she is so young... I'm not sure that I would leave her for 4 hours at a time in a crate though. (Do you have someone who can come take her out once in the morning and once in the afternoon? If you don't... coming home at lunch will have to do, but she may have an accident or two until she gets a bit older) In an IDEAL situation, the schedule should look like the following: (taken from another source I have... this is not from me). 6:00 AM puppy wakes. Take him outdoors immediately. Wait for him to eliminate and praise. 6:15 AM indoor, 100% supervised play time and access to water. 6:45 AM put puppy back in crate with his breakfast meal. 7:00 AM take puppy outdoors (remove food). Wait for him to eliminate and praise. 7:20 AM put puppy back in crate, leave for work. 12:00 PM take puppy outdoors. Wait for him to eliminate and praise. 12:15 indoor, 100% supervised play time and access to water. 12:30 PM pup puppy in crate with lunch meal. 12:45 PM take puppy outdoors (remove food). Wait for him to eliminate and praise. 1:00 PM put puppy back in crate, back to work. 5:30 PM take puppy outdoors. Wait for him to eliminate and praise. 5:45 PM play with puppy outdoors. 6:00 PM indoor, 100% supervised play time and access to water. 6:30 PM, put puppy in crate and tend to your required evening tasks. 7:30 PM, take puppy outdoors. Wait for him to eliminate and praise. 7:45 PM, indoor 100% supervised play time. Access to water. 8:30 PM, in crate with evening meal. 9:00 PM, take puppy outdoors (remove food). Wait for him to eliminate and praise. 9:15 PM, indoor 100% supervised play time. 10:00 PM, last trip outdoors. 10:15 PM put puppy in crate for the evening. This describes the IDEAL requirements for an eight to ten week old puppy. (none of us live in an ideal world ... so adjustments to the schedule have to be made to accommodate your schedle). With each passing week, she should be able to handle longer periods of time before going outdoors. However, if you do not make the commitment to house break her in the first four weeks that you have her, bad habits can develop which could be very difficult to resolve. So, I strongly recommend creating a method of managing your puppy for the first month that allows for mid-day outings for potty breaks. As far as the crying? It's just part of it. After a week or so, it should stop. There's no easy way... sorry. |
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purpleama456

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| 08/13/2007 10:12 AM |
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Thank you, that schedule seems like something I can do. I did send a friend to check on her and maybe I can have her do it everyday for me for a while. I will keep posting on my updates with her but the information you provided was very helpful. |
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Crickett's Mom

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| 10/10/2007 1:46 PM |
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Hi crate training is the only way to go! Crickett was put in her crate for all night at the age of 2 months (before that she roamed the half bath at night, or when we were away from home...which is something you might want to consider, since you work?) and she did her business on the puppy training pads. But once she was put in her crate, she held it all night long (from 11:30 till about 5:30). Her crate is in the laundry room along with Whiskey's and Brandy's, we just started leaving her crate door open at night and now I find her in bed with Brandy (they are bosom buddies). Also we have a doggie door in the laundry room, which all three use whenever needed.
We also crate trained our other girls as well...we didn't get Whiskey until she was 6 months and Brandy after her first birthday. They all resisted in the beginning, but now when I go looking for them, they are usually in their crates...it's their 'safe haven'.
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Shadows Mom

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| 10/10/2007 5:57 PM |
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| I crate trained Shadow, but he will not go into his crate and sleep for nothing. I don't know why he just won't go in there and lay down. He is crated during the day but at night he sleeps with me. I don't know how to get him to know his crate is his safe place. |
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DaisysMom

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| 10/10/2007 6:01 PM |
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| I wouldn't worry about it. Daisy has only gone in and laid down on her own accord a couple of times. She's content in it during the day while we are gone. |
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ramonatx

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| 10/30/2007 9:40 PM |
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Thanks for the easy to understand crate training tips. I'm rescuing a 2 year old Rat Terrier from the local shelter. He's not "adoptable" because he's too fearful...skiddish. They said he hadn't wagged his tail once since he's been there...about 10+ days. After sitting in the kennel with him for long periods of time, I've not only seen his tail wag a couple of times, but he fell asleep on my lap for about an hour. Awesome! Hopefully bringing him home tomorrow or the day after. I'm going to try the crate training techniques. Luckily I work 5 minutes from here and can come home at lunch. If anyone has anymore advice on re-training a frightened rt from unknown background, please let me know. I want to provide a safe, comfortable home for both of us...i.e., save my carpet AND be fair to my new friend. I LOVE THIS SITE! |
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LadyLes

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| 10/30/2007 9:44 PM |
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First of all, welcome. As a wise person told me recently, lots of times ratties get passed over in shelters because they are very social animals and do not do well in shelter environments. Good for you for going the extra mile for that baby. Post pics please!!! |
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DaisysMom

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| 10/30/2007 10:03 PM |
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Another rattie saved!!! That's fantastic! Bless you. We can't wait to meet him and hear how he is doing. Please stick around and ask any questions you have. It is very difficult to judge a rattie's true temperament while it is in a shelter, especially an especially crowded facility. The noise and lack of human interaction is very confusing to a rattie. I believe once you get him in your home and he has time to realize that he is safe, you will see a different dog begin to emerge. Definitely use the crate training and housebreaking recommendations here - they are invaluable (I know, I used them). Also, I have to say (again from experience - with my older, mixed breed dog) that I learned that it's best not to "coddle" them too much or try and make up for what went on before he came to you. Dogs live in the moment and easily pick up on our emotional "vibes" so "babying" can be confusing. I think they adjust better and faster if treated with a very matter-of-fact "everything's ok now" attitude. I hope that makes sense. It's hard to put in words sometimes. Plus (as it did in my case) it can undermine you eventually when you have to correct behaviors that you allowed because you felt bad. Most all dogs want and need a leader - and they don't want to be it Good luck to you. Please let us know how everything is going. |
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LadyLes

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| 10/30/2007 10:05 PM |
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| Haha...as Caesar Milan would say...BE THE PACK LEADER! |
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There is nothing better than wine and chocolate! ~Ashley~ |
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ramonatx

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| 10/31/2007 5:44 AM |
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Thanks, guys! I feel supported all ready. I'm sure we'll do fine. My day job is middle school reading teacher in an "inner city" school with a lot of little "hard core" souls. In other words, I've got a good handle on the "don't coddle cause their sad" thing down. We focus on fixing the future...not pining the past. With love and patience, "Karma" will adjust. Named her Karma as I really had no intention of getting another pet until next summer...but walked through the "kill hall" at the shelter on a whim this week...feels like both of us are experiencing a little karma guidance. Going crate, food, and toy shopping after work today and I hope to get him this evening. Any suggestions on food, toys, crates, etc. I'm sooo excited...can't wait to have him here! I'll post pictures as soon as possible...sadly I don't own a camera By the way, forgot to mention...he has really lavender dye stains on his chest and side...can't imagine what it's from...but that sort of cinched it for me as lavender is the color of wisdom and my favorite color...see...karma  |
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DaisysMom

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| 10/31/2007 5:58 AM |
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What a great name!!!!! I'm so excited for you For food I would just recommend a high quality food with preferably no corn in it (many ratties have skin issues because of corn product - dryness, flakiness, itchiness) plus it has no nutritional value to it at all and is just a filler. The crate - I would recommend a medium sized wire crate and maybe one that comes with a divider panel. If he's not housebroken or has learned that because he's been in a cage for awhile to potty in one corner and sleep in another, you may need the panel to make it smaller for a while to help him learn to not use it as a bathroom. Toys: Ratties typically LOVE stuffed toys with squeakers, but be forewarned the LOVE to "kill" them and do so fairly quickly. But I enjoy seeing Daisy enjoying them, so I don't mind. I just buy the 88 cent ones at Wal-Mart most of the time as it doesn't hurt the wallet so much. Also a KONG is appealing to a lot of our ratties and helps keep them amused for awhile especially when filled with treats and/or peanut butter (you can even freeze it and give it to him the morning before leaving) KONGS are virtually indestructible so it makes them one of the few things you can leave without danger of choking. Good luck. Hopefully you can get some pics ASAP. We'd love to see him!! |
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ramonatx

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| 10/31/2007 7:01 AM |
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What's a "KONG" and where do I find it? |
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LadyLes

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| 10/31/2007 7:07 AM |
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| you can get them at petsmart or walmart, just about anywhere. They are indestructable rubber toys. Vino has had one since a puppy and he hasn't put a dent in it. He chewed on it non-stop as a puppy. They have all different sizes. |
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ramonatx

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| 10/31/2007 10:26 PM |
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Okay...Karma's home. He's sleeping soundly in his crate. No problems in the crate except for jumping out if given 1/2 a chance. Shelter checkup showed no heartworms and they think the throwing up and bit of hairloss on her hip is stress related. So I took her home today and we'll get her neutered later when he's calmer. They could have done it in tomorrow a.m., but I couldn't stand to think of her miserable in that cement floor kennel with all the noise.
I'm curious, is it normal for him to not make a sound? I haven't heard him bark or whine or any sound since I met him. Could be a good thing in an apartment setting.
He also wouldn't go to the bathroom. FINALLY on our first walk, he started out not moving...then slowly...slowly started exploring. Found out he can run along side me and will stop on command and come on command (if no one else is around...then he just gets scared, tucks tail, and waits.
Looking forward to seeing what we learn about each other tomorrow. Wish I didn't have to go to work! |
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| 10/31/2007 11:11 PM |
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ramontx
It's normal not to make a sound when they don't know how much love is coming at them and they have been without it...Ohhh ramontx, I don't know what to call you. I think Karma will do fine after some love and time. You mentioned that he hasn't wagged his tail much and he's been in the shelter for 10 days. Well, he's been waiting for YOU... OMG, he's going to come alive with every touch you give him. Please be assured you have rescued the most loving dog you could imagine. There are so many people here that will help you and make life with Karma more understandable. Please open your heart as much as you can for this little guy and you will be amazed what can happen... |
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ramonatx

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| 11/01/2007 6:17 AM |
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Thanks for all the great advice. Comforting to know I'm not alone in trying to bring love and and a sense of safety back to this little fella. I have no doubt we're going to bring joy to one another...it's already beginning to happen. He actually ran with his tail and head held hight and proud. Looks like I'll be geting some exercise on the hike and bike trail near my house Karma may succeed where others have failed to get me to be consistent on exercise! He slept great in the crate all night. Still won't eat or drink anything. His stomach seems to still be upset...keeps throwing up...shelter said they couldn't find a reason and that it's probably stress. I can totally understand...my tummy is the first thing to go awry when I'm upset. We'll be visiting the vet soon for more thorough check-up and neutering.
All in all...he is such a sweetheart. I think we both have a lot of love to give and finally someone who wants AND deserves it. Karma...
BTW...my name is Ramona and we're in Austin, TX. |
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DaisysMom

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| 11/01/2007 6:38 AM |
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I'm sure all he needs is time - sounds like that's helping already, Ramona As for the throwing up, I agree that stress and recent changes could play apart, but having your vet take a good look at him will be a good idea. What kind of food is he on or was he eating in the shelter. Just an FYI, but lots of ratties do not do well on food that contains corn and/or a lot of other grains. We've had at least one member her who has experienced a complete turn around with their adopted doggie who was vomiting once they switched him to a higher quality food with no corn products. So it could be an allergy. Usually it's not that bad, most of our ratties "just" experience dry, itchy skin and poor coat condiitions. But either way, corn is a useless "filler" with no nutrional value, so it makes sense to not feed it anyway. I'm so glad that you two have found each other. I'm sure it's the beginning of a fantastic love affair!!! Can NOT wait to "see" him  |
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| 11/01/2007 8:28 PM |
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| Hi, Ramona! Welcome to the forum! I'm just up I-35 from you, in Temple! We're retired teachers. Karma sounds like a sweetie and bless you for rescuing him. I have two females. My second was a rescue I drove over to Mt. Pleasant and got last September. She was very subdued and quiet the first few days, too. Didn't know how to walk on a leash, really. Didn't know what toys are for. But fortunately no signs of human abuse or much human contact at all, really. But she's coming around just fine now. Can't wait to see pics of your little guy! |
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ramonatx

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| 11/02/2007 5:55 AM |
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| Good mornin'! WOW...y'all are right. He's comin' alive more and more by the minute. I bought Science Diet...no corn. He still won't eat, though. Nibbled a bit yesterday. But this a.m., he doesn't want to eat, he wants to be right on top of me : ) In fact, gonna sign off the computer and play. His tail is up, his head is high, he's frisky, and tail waggin'. Talk to you guys later! |
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DaisysMom

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| 11/02/2007 6:18 AM |
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Ramona - glad to hear he's coming out of his shell already!!! I'm sure he'll be a completely different dog in NO time at all.  |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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LadyLes

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| 11/02/2007 6:19 AM |
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| Ramona...I do believe that we desperately need pictures! :o) |
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There is nothing better than wine and chocolate! ~Ashley~ |
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