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LeapingLucy


Rattie
Rattie
05/27/2007 11:03 AM  

I have taken Lucy over to my Mom's house several times to play with her corgi/sheltie mix and they get along great!  Play together, rest together, and even eliminate together.

Lucy also has several dog friends here at our condo.  She met a shih-tzu puppy a few weeks ago and they played just fine.  We were walking the other night and Lucy and Gucci played well then too.  BUT last night, we took Lucy out (since we are in a condo, what initializes our adventure outside is Lucy's need to go to the bathroom - we always avoid the other dogs so she can potty in peace, then a little playtime is ok) and walked opposite of Gucci to use the bathroom.  Well I'll be darned if the human and Gucci came down to where we were.  Lucy had already tinkled, but no poo yet.  The neighbor is very friendly, but does not keep Gucci on a leash ("it is torture".  Lucy spent her time trying to get away from Gucci and he kept following her.

I was watching them, but at times, I was engaged in conversation with the neighbor and my boyfriend.  I heard a little "grrr".  Then it happened again and got my attention.  Apparently Lucy didn't was finished with Gucci and he wasn't understanding her, so Lucy would sharply turn her head and give a little warning growl.  SHE HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE!  I don't want it to progress to something worse. 

My Mom suggested to avoid the situation, but I don't know if that is entirely possible in such a small community with few green patches.  Any ideas on how to curb this behavior?  I am also planning on speaking with the Board here about sending her a reminder about the leash law.

Paul


Feisty
Feisty
05/27/2007 2:44 PM  

That actually might NOT be "aggression"---it could simply be her way of telling Gucci "back off, Dude, I've had  entirely too much of you in my face!"  My dogs do that to each other, and they learn to respect each other's space because of it.  Just watch her body-language next time and see if she's really being aggressive, or just telling him "that's enough!"  If that's all it is, then she'll speak her piece, and get over it and go on like nothing happened.  If it's truly aggression building up, she will want to keep it going and may show signs of getting tense around Gucci..


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Mitzy's Mom


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
05/27/2007 3:22 PM  
I agree with Paul. The puppy was just "in her space" and she was telling to back off - that's how puppies learn. All my rattie/ratchis do that with each other at times.

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

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anacodia


Ratterific
Ratterific
05/27/2007 9:02 PM  
My dog does this all the time at the dog park, when some dog won't get their nose out of her rear. It's like my dog understands that sniffing bottoms is part of the deal, but get the info you need and then get going. She just kind of snaps (without biting the other dog) and it lets them know that what they are doing is not ok. Sometimes she even charges them if they don't get the message after a few warning nudges or snaps. I never reprimand her for this, but I DO closely monitor the situation to make sure it doesn't escalate (it never has).She also does this when another dog tries to mount her, which she does NOT tolerate. The OTHER dog was being rude and your dog was just telling him so. I also vote this was not aggressive, just really good social skills on your dog's part.
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
05/27/2007 9:46 PM  
I agree that this is not aggression. Bailey is probably the LEAST aggressive dog I've ever seen, but occasionally he'll growl at one of my other dogs if they invade his space (now... he invades THEIR space all the time! LOL). It happens when he's comfy on the couch, or is settled in bed... or around food. I wouldn't worry about it at this point... but I agree that the owner of the other dog is at fault here. Why was her dog NOT on a leash?
LeapingLucy


Rattie
Rattie
05/28/2007 10:18 AM  
Thank you all for writing me back. It makes me feel better to know that Lucy was just giving Gucci a warning to leave her alone. I just wish that the 5 month old (and his human) would recognize this.

I am not sure why her dog doesn't wear a leash. I spoke with her about potty training right after they got him and he was messing in the house. I suggested she keep his leash tied to her so that when their was an accident, she was with the dog and could potentially wisk him outside to the right place. She scoffed at the idea of keeping Gucci tied up inside. She is also from Croatia and I don't know if that has anything to do with it.

I spoke with one of my neighbors (who is on the board) this morning. She said that it is already on her agenda to have a letter sent to this woman about keeping her dog on a leash (of course, we can write letters all day long, but we still have NO control over their action, and I don't think there is any recourse if she doesn't). My neighbor said that the woman tries to bring Gucci around her dog (who was abused by its previous owner and is questionable around other dogs and people) and even with the warning of "He might bite your dog" she just laughs and continues to bring it down the yard.

I hope she learns before it is too late!
Mitzy's Mom


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
05/28/2007 11:43 AM  
Wow, I hope she learns too! Maybe she doesn't know much about dogs at all. I hope she doesn't let that pup run up to a truly agressive dog who might hurt him. Sometimes I think it should be necessary to have a license to get dog! LOL

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom
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MilliesMom


Rattie
Rattie
06/04/2007 11:31 AM  
Millie is like this at times w/ other dogs at the park and in general. She is one of those dogs who needs her "space" and doesn't like it when other dogs - especially hyper ones - get in her face. I notice she's more tolerant off leash which could be why Lucy reacted that way. . .something about being on a lash seems to bring out the inner terror in some dogs. Let them off the leash and an entirely different dog emerges.
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
06/04/2007 11:42 AM  

I think you will find that as a dog grows from a puppy, the personality changes. When a pup, they are so accepting of dogs, people... and as they get older they become more wary, more cautious... and the typical "doggie behavior" will surface as the dog becomes what his/her inherent nature intends for him/her to become. This is another reason why imprinting certain behavior AT AN EARLY AGE is SO vital !! It's so much more difficult to change a behavior once it is engrained in a dog. It's easier to recognize the "signs" at an early age and correct what is correctable. Regardless of the amount of training... dogs simply become more cautious and more territorial as they get older. People do too !!! We become less accepting of everything and everybody... right?

ladyfern


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
06/07/2007 10:56 AM  
Just a thought... Instead of reminding the neighbor about leash laws and taking a chance that no matter how nicely you put it, that this person may take offense, try giving this person a leash. They don't cost much and a gift may be alot better recieved than a reprimand, regardless of how sweetly you approach the subject. It could very well be that your neighbor has been around people that have very well behaved dogs and hopes eventually to have just such a dog. I'm sure you all have seen dogs that are off leash and stay right with their people. Shoot, for that matter use Shiloh as an excuse! She is pretty good about shadowing me step for step but she still managed to dart out in front of a car and get hit! If you approach this with the reasoning of you just care about her and love her puppy and don't want to see her go through the heartache of that terrible kind of pain and 'gift' her a leash from you and Lucy, it could make things better.

ladyfern & shiloh

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