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Kasey's Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
09/24/2008 8:19 AM  

As some of you know that Indy growled at me a few days ago......

Well, then on Sunday night, when i went to get the kids to bed...  first, both of the kids and i were in my daughter's room reading a couple of books before bedtime....   Then my son went to his bedroom and saw Indy in the middle of his bed and said, "Indy, Off"  what did indy do?   growled at him! 

i asked Owen was he sleeping,  He said "no" and all i said "indy, off" and i didn't touch him...  and Owen repeatly told "indy, off" so he can go to bed....   So i pointed at the floor and told Indy, "off" and he did.... 

Then last night, my husband went out for a drink and came back home about half an hour later...  no biggie... and Indy heard something and was doing what he natually would do as a dog... barks to alert me that someone is here...  I kept saying, "Daddy's home...it's okay, Daddy's home"... he kept on growling...  then Indy got up on the couch with me and saw my husband walked in the door and continued to growled at him!    John tried to tell him it's okay,just him, but he kept on growling.... a low growl... and then he said "no"...

i do remember that Nora stresses not to something, i have to go back and reread that... 

but this is the third day in a row that he growled at us.....    i don't understand why... and my husband and I are getting very concerned for the safety of our children...   since we are seeing this and i don't know what to think. 

any insight on this? 

 


Mardi
Momma to Kasey and Indy

~~Dance like nobody's watching~~
Kasey's Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
09/24/2008 8:22 AM  

So after John told him no... he went into the kitchen and then came back in the room and Indy was fine... and John called indy up to sit with him in the recliner... and he did and fell asleep with him....   

I guess i'm not sure what to think when he growls at my family members...   I just don't want anyone to get hurt. 


Mardi
Momma to Kasey and Indy

~~Dance like nobody's watching~~
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
09/24/2008 8:26 AM  
Personally I would keep him off all furniture at all times until you get this under control. I am sure Nora will have more advice. : )

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



DaisysMom


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
09/24/2008 8:32 AM  
Mardi: Refresh my memory (which ain't what it used to be, LOL) How long has Indy been with you all and how has his behavior been up until the first growling incident a few days ago?

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

Kasey's Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
09/24/2008 8:33 AM  
Posted By swatson6 on 09/24/2008 8:26 AM
Personally I would keep him off all furniture at all times until you get this under control. I am sure Nora will have more advice. : )



that's a good idea... i didn't think of that. 


Mardi
Momma to Kasey and Indy

~~Dance like nobody's watching~~
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
09/24/2008 8:37 AM  
It can make a huge difference. Make him work for everything, food, toys, even before walking out the door (make him sit). I think he needs to be taught who is Alpha here. Has anything else changed? What about his general behavior, is he the dominant one in the house?

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



Kasey's Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
09/24/2008 8:42 AM  
Posted By DaisysMom on 09/24/2008 8:32 AM
Mardi: Refresh my memory (which ain't what it used to be, LOL) How long has Indy been with you all and how has his behavior been up until the first growling incident a few days ago?



Indy has been with me since mid December... and he wasn't quite a year old then,     and he is about a year and half old now...    he has been a great dog and still is....   there was no problems at all... no growling, just play and play and play... and sleep and chew...and knows what he can get into and what he can't get into... and does his Indy 500 through-out the house like he always has done...   and he still does that....         he is crate trained, housetrained...  over-all he is a good dog... 

i just want to learn to see what i can do with him before it gets out of hand

but what worries me....   and i try not to read too much into it just yet... and not ready to rule this out....  is the chemical imbalance in dogs...  I have seen that in one of my s-i-l's dog, and it wasn't very pretty.... and like i said.... i am not ready for that and want to see what i can do before it starts to get bad....  and go from there.


Mardi
Momma to Kasey and Indy

~~Dance like nobody's watching~~
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
09/24/2008 8:46 AM  
What do you mean by "chemical imbalance"?

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



SuzieRedhead


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
09/24/2008 8:48 AM  

I don't know if it's a chemical imbalance, or him just challenging authority... he needs to learn that he is NOT the alpha, that the humans are... he needs to EARN privileges like being on furniture, etc.... there is something I see posted all the time... NILF - Nothing in Life is Free - sounds like Indy needs a refresher course...


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Kasey's Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
09/24/2008 8:48 AM  
Posted By swatson6 on 09/24/2008 8:37 AM
It can make a huge difference. Make him work for everything, food, toys, even before walking out the door (make him sit). I think he needs to be taught who is Alpha here. Has anything else changed? What about his general behavior, is he the dominant one in the house?



he doesn't try to act alpha....   Kasey does that all the time. 

i think the only thing that i can think of is that something flipped/switched in his brain on Sunday when my son fed him in the crate...and it was a one time thing and we don't plan to feed him in the crate anymore because of his mean reaction ....   

but all of the other time, he's a plain goofy boy just enjoying the life of being a dog. 


Mardi
Momma to Kasey and Indy

~~Dance like nobody's watching~~
Kasey's Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
09/24/2008 8:54 AM  
Posted By SuzieRedhead on 09/24/2008 8:48 AM

I don't know if it's a chemical imbalance, or him just challenging authority... he needs to learn that he is NOT the alpha, that the humans are... he needs to EARN privileges like being on furniture, etc.... there is something I see posted all the time... NILF - Nothing in Life is Free - sounds like Indy needs a refresher course...



excatly what i was thinking.....   just not sure which one... and i will pull that info on NILIF.... to refresh myself again... lol  and work with him on that... and if it is not that... then we know it is something more serious. 

I will have to have my whole family work with him on that...   NILIF.  to get him to see that my son and my husband is the alpha, not him.....   and my daughter is too.  

He listens to me very well....  better than my husband... lol... which is nice for a change. 


Mardi
Momma to Kasey and Indy

~~Dance like nobody's watching~~
SuzieRedhead


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
09/24/2008 9:00 AM  

I always wonder tho - why some dogs need NILF and some don't... must be a canine thing! 


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Kasey's Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
09/24/2008 9:01 AM  
Posted By swatson6 on 09/24/2008 8:46 AM
What do you mean by "chemical imbalance"?



something that is in their brain that is off...  or not right... or forgets that this person is nice....  

like for one minute he's your buddy forever, and then the next minute, he doesn't trust you and acts agressive/defensive toward you....  

it's like a flip/switch in their brain and can't remember you, and gets defensive/agressive toward you and then all of a sudden he sees you and is so happy to be with you...  

which is i am not ready to rule that out yet....    until i try other things first.  but if that was the case....   the outlook is grim.  So hopefully....    he is just "challenging" us. 


Mardi
Momma to Kasey and Indy

~~Dance like nobody's watching~~
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
09/24/2008 9:07 AM  
Honestly, I think that is a "way out" for some people that just don;t want to put the effort in to fixing the issue at hand. I think this is a behavior issue. Yes, there are medical conditions that could cause aggressive or "not right" behavior, but those too can be fixed. I don't think that there are dogs that 'go bad' because of an "imbalance"they are born with. Things such as thyroid problems (which would be chemical), pain, etc. can all cause a dog to act off. You may want to rule out anything medical also just in case. JMO.

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



Kasey's Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
09/24/2008 9:40 AM  

I am not looking for a "way out"......   I know what you mean, but that isn't what i am trying to do... i am trying to look for others insight.... which you did, is fine...     I was concerned with what may be causing his to growl at my family members all of a sudden after being with us every single day....   he was fine and then out of the blue for him to be like that...  which was not a problem before. ...   

We are going to work with him and go from there with NILIF, especially by my children and husband. 

however....    if he were to ever cause any harm for any unexplainable reason.......   then I would have to put my family first....   

but for the time being, i am going to keep a close eye on him, and work with him....   and do my best to make sure that everyone including myself and the dog happy


Mardi
Momma to Kasey and Indy

~~Dance like nobody's watching~~
p5prolady


Ratastic
Ratastic
09/24/2008 10:51 AM  

Here is another possibility...could Indy be having seizure activity...not all seizures are the grand mal type, and even the petit mal seizures can temporarily cause confusion and fear.  This could be one explanation for this sudden onset.


Bobbi
Mom to Lacey and Pokey
Nana to Daegen and Caleb
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
09/24/2008 10:53 AM  

Sorry. Don't get me wrong.  I wasn't implying you .  I just meant in general.  I just don't believe that a dog just has an imbalance.  I feel there is always a reason they do what they do and it is our job to figure out why.   I fully agree with trying the NILF method. Here's some good info on that.  If you google it you'll find lots of stuff.

 

 

How To Practice “Nothing In Life Is Free:”
• Using positive reinforcement methods, teach your dog a few commands and/or tricks. “Sit,” “Down” and “ Stay” are useful commands and “Shake,” “Speak” and “Rollover” are fun tricks to teach your dog.
• Once your dog knows a few commands, you can begin to practice “nothing in life is free.” Before you give your dog anything (food, a treat, a walk, a pat on the head) it must first perform one of the commands it has learned.
For example:

 

You Your dog
Put your dog’s leash on to go for a walk Must sit until you’ve put the leash on
Feed your dog Must lie down and stay until you’ve put the bowl down
Play a game of fetch after work Must sit and shake hands each time you throw the toy
Rub your dog’s belly while watching TV Must lie down and rollover before being petted

• Once you’ve given the command, don’t give your dog what it wants until it does what you want. If it refuses to perform the command, walk away, come back a few minutes later and start again. If your dog refuses to obey the command, be patient and remember that eventually it will have to obey your command in order to get what it wants.
• Make sure your dog knows the command well and understands what you want before you begin practicing “ nothing in life is free.”

The Benefits of This Technique:
• Most dogs assume a neutral or submissive role toward people, but some dogs will challenge their owners for dominance. Requiring a dominant dog to work for everything it wants is a safe and non-confrontational way to establish control.
• Dogs who may never display aggressive behavior such as growling, snarling, or snapping, may still manage to manipulate you. These dogs may display affectionate, though “pushy” behavior, such as nudging your hand to be petted or “worming” its way on to the furniture in order to be close to you. This technique gently reminds the “pushy” dog that it must abide by your rules.
• Obeying commands helps build a fearful dog’s confidence; having a strong leader and knowing its place in the hierarchy helps to make the submissive dog feel more secure.

Why This Technique Works:
Animals that live in groups, like dogs, establish a social structure within the group called a dominance hierarchy. This dominance hierarchy serves to maintain order, reduce conflict and promote cooperation among pack members. In order for your home to be a safe and happy place for pets and people, it’s best that the humans in the household assume the highest positions in the dominance hierarchy. Practicing “nothing in life is free” effectively and gently communicates to your dog that its position in the hierarchy is subordinate to yours. From your dog’s point of view, children also have a place in this hierarchy. Because children are small and can get down on the dog’s level to play, dogs often consider them to be playmates, rather than superiors. With the supervision of an adult, it’s a good idea to encourage children in the household (aged eight and over) to also practice “nothing in life is free” with your dog.


Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



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