Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/19/2008 8:05 AM |
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So I have a little mini rat terrier foster girl, Morgandy, who has tons of energy. She jumps like a deer (tiny but soars over the baby gate effortlessly). LOVES to play ball. She'll run for it, bring it back, drop it into my hand and be ready to chase it again....I have to stop the game because she'll want to keep going. Long walks only begin to tire her out.
She's also very eager to please, just loves to be praised. Comes when I call her even if she's on the scent of something.
So how do I (who has no experience in flyball or agility!) tell if she would be a good prospect for that? I don't believe she has "post leg" either but not sure what other physical characteristics to look for. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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gwacie

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| 06/19/2008 8:11 AM |
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Not sure. I miss Lazar and Quest (and their parents too I suppose ). Was just thinking about them and noting no pictures in a while. Nora might know, or her agility trainer (who is on the national team). Maybe there is some sort of evaluation. I do know it has to do with the desire to please as much as the ability to go fast. |
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gwacie (Bethany) http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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gwacie

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| 06/19/2008 8:12 AM |
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| p.s. my local pet supply place has a tennis ball launcher toy. Want me to get one for you? |
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gwacie (Bethany) http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/19/2008 8:14 AM |
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| LOL - if I had one of those I could just set it and walk away - she'd still be chasing balls! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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gwacie

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| 06/19/2008 8:15 AM |
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| I think it still requires human interaction, but you don't have to wear your arm out throwing. |
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gwacie (Bethany) http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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rattytatty

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| 06/19/2008 8:16 AM |
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I'm no expert when it comes to stuff like this, Mary Beth..... so someone here may be able to answer this better than I can. As you know, I inherited Bailey so I worked with what I had.
IMO, the greatest benefit of a rescue, is what you see is what you are getting. If the dog is high drive and biddible at two years old, chances are they aren’t going to change. At two years old, you can get their hips x-rayed to make sure the dog is physically ok to do the jumping that is required. With a puppy, there is a little uncertainty until it grows up. There are a lot of aussies in rescue for the exact reasons that make them excellent agility dogs. They needed a job, they needed exercise, they were bored sitting on the couch, and the list goes on. Lots of border collies are in rescues for the same reason. These are the high drive type of dogs that enjoy going out and running around. A lot of rescues are starved for attention and welcome the training and the close relationship that comes with it. They can be very easy to motivate because they are a bit ‘needy’.
For people who already have a dog and want to use it, the issues of drive and biddibility are relevant too. If your dog is already high drive and biddible, you are in great shape to begin training. If your dog is little lower drive and not as biddable, there are things you can work on before and during your agility training to increase your chances at a successful agility career.
I think any dog should be physically suited for what you are asking. For instance, make sure the dog is at an appropriate weight for his height and build. If the dog is overweight, it will put a lot of stress on his body. There is a lot of conditioning that goes into being an agility dog. Most agility dogs actually look skinny.... (Bailey is skinny!)
Sounds like the little dog you have might be a good prospect given that she has shown good prey drive!
Hope this helps SOME ! Others may have better knowledge of this than I do. It's my opinion that most dogs are happy when they have a "job" to do... but that job doesn't have to be a sport. It could be anything specific the owner wants the dog to be involved in. Agility is a great way to build confidence regardless of whether the goal is to compete or not!
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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rattytatty

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| 06/19/2008 8:20 AM |
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(that's why I use the air kong on a rope..... it's MUCH easier to throw and I can throw it farther!) |
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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gwacie

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| 06/19/2008 8:21 AM |
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| My dogs think their job is keeping my warm on the couch (even in summer time - phew). They think MY job is feeding them, loving them, and throwing their toys to fetch over and over and over! Agility sounds like a much better job! |
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gwacie (Bethany) http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/19/2008 8:24 AM |
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Yes, I've heard from several sources that agility is great for confidence building whether you compete or not. Morgandy is only 10 months - 1 1/2 years old so I guess she couldn't do the jumping part yet anyway? And she is built on the skinny side right now...that might change as she matures. Nora, you are so right about rescues being starved for attention. She and Gavin both thrive on doing any sort of one-on-one work. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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gwacie

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| 06/19/2008 8:27 AM |
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Not to take this too off topic, but MB, that is one reason I am so drawn to rescue work. There is such a bond that rescued dogs often make with their adopters (and even foster families) that just melts me. They are just SO happy to have a loving alpha human to interact with. It makes me feel very lucky to be the one who gets to help them. SO are you going to look into agility groups in your area MB? |
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gwacie (Bethany) http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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gwacie

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| 06/19/2008 8:27 AM |
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| Nora, do you throw the kong by the rope thing? I'd think that would be awkward but I'll take your word for it! |
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gwacie (Bethany) http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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rattytatty

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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/19/2008 8:36 AM |
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Yes, Bethany, I feel lucky also to be able to help them. They give so much love and affection back! Don't think I'll be checking out any agility trainers in the area, I'm short on time as it is and I think that would be "biting off too much to chew" but I did want to be able to speak intelligently to any potential adopters who might want a dog who could do flyball or agility. I think she's too young to do any of the jumping yet anyway but otherwise I think she might be really good at it. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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gwacie

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| 06/19/2008 8:39 AM |
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Posted By rattytatty on 06/19/2008 8:33 AM
. you could get one and try walking around with it in your mouth, and you might learn to like it too, Bethany!  
Riiiiight, like my neighbors don't already think I'm insane enough!
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gwacie (Bethany) http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/19/2008 8:39 AM |
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| I might need to get an air kong for Morgandy. She's so much fun - I'll hate to see her go when she's adopted! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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rattytatty

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| 06/19/2008 8:39 AM |
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| She's not too young to begin basic agility training with, MB.... I started Bailey with the basics (if you remember) when he was less than a year old. I just didn't jump him because (1) he's post-legged and (2) it's hard on the joints... wanted to make sure the growth plates were closed. I had everything x-rayed on this dog that could be x-rayed, remember? |
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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gwacie

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| 06/19/2008 8:43 AM |
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| I found a toy at Target yesterday that my crew is LOVING. It's a rubber and fabric frisbee, smaller than a regular sized disk, very tooth friendly and it flies like a dream. Oh and has a hole in the middle for easy doggie pick up. It's the new favorite around here. |
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gwacie (Bethany) http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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gwacie

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| 06/19/2008 8:44 AM |
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| what is post legged? |
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gwacie (Bethany) http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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rattytatty

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| 06/19/2008 8:52 AM |
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Bethany, here's the thread where we discussed this last year on this forum...
http://rat-terrier.com/Home/tabid/37/forumid/4/postid/84243/view/topic/Default.aspx
I had Bailey checked out also by two ortho vets to make SURE his patellas were ok (they are) because he also developed a funny little skip when he's in what I call "trot mode".
Bottomline is... not enough angulation in the rear legs. |
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/19/2008 8:53 AM |
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| I remember you having everything on Bailey x-rayed, yep. Couldn't remember how old he was when you started on the basics though. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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rattytatty

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| 06/19/2008 8:55 AM |
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So this is why I don't "push" Bailey to RUN down the a-frame.... because he's not structurally built for it. I take what this little dog gives me, and try to be satisfied with it, knowing he's physically "handicapped" and there are simply some things he cannot do.. I'm ok with it... it's not like I'm trying out for the World Team, ya know?
I wanted to do agility with him, but NOT at the risk of hurting him... so I took every precaution I knew to take. |
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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gwacie

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| 06/19/2008 8:55 AM |
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| I bet the Nut has that - his back legs sometimes seem a bit stiffish. I will have him checked next time I vet him. |
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gwacie (Bethany) http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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rattytatty

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| 06/19/2008 8:59 AM |
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| Your vet can tell you if he's post-legged. |
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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rattytatty

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| 06/19/2008 9:00 AM |
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| Sorry, MB -- guess we hijacked your thread.... haha |
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/19/2008 9:05 AM |
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| That's very similar to what I do with Skeeter...yes, he's a horse, but the thing is I LOVE dressage. He is a quarter horse and simply not built to do some of the higher level moves. So we don't but we do the lower level stuff which is good for him and he loves doing it. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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lkemmerick

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| 06/24/2008 9:15 AM |
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Hi, I just posted some pics of my boy Jake doing flyball over on the picture board. I'm also a RBR foster mom (but taking a leave of absence). It sounds like Morgandy would be a great flyball dog. You can go to www.flyball.org to look for teams in your area. If you send me some more info, I could put something out to the flyball community. We are always looking for small and fast dogs! Lane |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/24/2008 10:03 AM |
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Hi Lane! I've got a bio and poster for her but the poster is at work....her bio is on the Ratbone site with a link to her pictures. Can you PM me your email address so I could send you the poster? Thanks! MB |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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rattytatty

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| 06/24/2008 10:07 AM |
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| Mary Beth -- you need to keep this little dog and get involved with a sport such as flyball... you'll have LOADS of fun!!! |
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 06/24/2008 10:10 AM |
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Posted By rattytatty on 06/24/2008 10:07 AM
Mary Beth -- you need to keep this little dog and get involved with a sport such as flyball... you'll have LOADS of fun!!!
Does the person have to run in flyball? cause you know I can't run!
Nope, not me, but she'll be a cool little dog for someone. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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melo

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| 06/24/2008 2:36 PM |
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Once again an invaluable thread. I a have been obessesed with Nora and possible agiilty training. She actually looks like a rabbit and jumps really high withoug any effort. I took her on vacation to a place that had the agility equipment and when she was running away from the big dogs she udrf most of the equipment without BUT she is so young--the trainer around here offers puppy agility training but is that ok for a 5 months old?? She is quite skinny and gets a devil look in her eyes when she is running. Personally I do not think I have the energy to keep up with her--that would be to bad |
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What a dump!---Bette Davis |
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