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Daxter

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| 06/18/2008 11:42 AM |
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My boyfriend have a 90 lbs Lab who is alpha dog. And Daxter is dominant also. We have been putting off to introduce them together because he is afraid that his dog will eat mine. Daxter like big dog, and Nebb - the lab does not like small dog. What is the safest way to introduce them for the 1st time and make them get along or at least can tolerate each other if they are in the same room and not fighting? |
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Daxter

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| 06/18/2008 3:21 PM |
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Well 14 people see this - no comments, advice or share experience about 2 alpha dog? Anyone? Nora can you help please? |
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Yukon Cornelius

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| 06/18/2008 3:25 PM |
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Sorry I can't help as I only have one dog. I am sure that when Nora, the training moderator, sees this she will offer you some advice. |
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We'll have to outwit the fiend with our superior intelligence.
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tiggarat

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| 06/18/2008 3:27 PM |
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I really don't have that much experience with introducing 2 alphas...I've heard that you should introduce them on "neutral territory" like a park, that way neither dog feels like the other one is "taking over" their home. Hopefully Nora will see this soon and get back to you soon. |
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furbabies: Lucy and Molly (1 1/2 yr old decker ratties), and Rosie (3 yr old dobie) Buddy - gone but never forgotten.
"I don't think he has any idea he's a dog, really. Of course, he thinks he has a rather odd figure for a man" - Dodie Smith |
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alice4512

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| 06/18/2008 3:58 PM |
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the best way is walk them both and let them meet on neutral ground but leashed, this way you have control. NEUTRAL ground is always the best place. Have your boyfriend walk his dog and you walk yours and come up to each other and see how it goes. You can then walk together to someones yard and supervise them.
are they both fixed?? There will be one alpha, even thought they both seem dominant one will take the alpha role and you both must support it.
Watch their body language, dog fights won't happen without warning. Look to see if their tails are wagging or stiff. Are their ears up or back? You can learn a lot, if you here growls seperate them. maybe they will have to get used to each other through a fence. If tails are wagging and the meeting goes welll it will be easier each time. |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ |
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Daxter

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| 06/18/2008 4:02 PM |
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| Yes they both fixed and actually got adopted almost at the same time. Nebb is 18 months and Daxter is 4 years old. Thanks Val! |
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Monica & Daxter |
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alice4512

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| 06/18/2008 4:11 PM |
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No Problem Monica, I just seen this. Nora will probably have good advice to add to.
I think this, both walk them come from opposite ends of the street and let them greet. They will be leashed so if anything ugly happens you can get them apart. I serioulsy have found I worry more over my 2 meeting new dogs than they do. Remember they are pack animals are for the most part do better in pairs. |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
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bluedog

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| 06/18/2008 4:17 PM |
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| I would not walk them towards each other, if you don't know what you are doing you can trigger a fight with a face to face meeting. I would walk them together (one on each side) for a long time - at least 1/2 hour or an hour. Start with each one with own dog, then experiment you walking both dogs and boyfriend walking both dogs. The dogs should not walk in front of you but next to you or behind you. Walk them together as a pack with you both as leaders, they will view each other as a pack. Don't anticipate that they will hate each other or you will create it because dogs are transparent to our body language. |
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Christine Mom to Michael & Charlotte Moose (lab), Paisley (rattie), Clark & Lois (tolerant kitties) |
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alice4512

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| 06/18/2008 4:21 PM |
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That is good advice, I find when I first got Alice and we tried walking them side by side she would growl and Fred sometimes when they bumped. It may be dog to dog but she does better with distance when meet and greet than side by side. This is just how we introduce them, just watch the body language and you will know what they are feeling. Good Luck!! |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ |
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Daxter

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| 06/18/2008 4:31 PM |
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Thanks all for the good advice. I actually being open minded that the introduction will go well and not to worry that much, as like Christine said dogs can read our body language. My boyfriend is a little bit worry that his dog won't like mine since he just discover that when he walks his dog, Nebb doesn't like small dog and try to bite them. So I will discuss this with him more and trying to convince him to let both dog meet each other. Hopefully he will agree. I know for sure when Daxter meet big dog they sniff and if he likes it he wag his tail, if not he just ignored them but never initiate fight or growl to them. He just do that to a small dog. |
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bluedog

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| 06/18/2008 5:01 PM |
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I mean boyfriend and Monica walking next to each other and the dogs distanced by 2 people but still side by side, eventually move them closer. Since so many dogs are leash aggressive, face to face can create a problem when maybe there wasn't one to begin with. Nebb might just be leash aggressive and your boyfriend is misreading the source of his agression (fear, tension, etc) and thinking the dog wants to bite another dog when he is just not being told to behave a different way on leash. If he is leash aggressive, then bring another dog toward him from the front certainly will create a problem. If you or he are really worried, muzzle the lab and let them get the initial meet over however you choose to do it, but if your boyfriend "thinks" the dog will bite another, then he is not going to help the situation. If his dog is muzzled, he will at least eliminate that chance in his mind and be more relaxed about the initial meeting and therefore doing all he can to foster the right response in his dog. You could also walk the dogs separately to release energy, then have them meet on neutral territory with his dog muzzled (if it is necessary for removing human's tension or anxiety from situation). |
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Christine Mom to Michael & Charlotte Moose (lab), Paisley (rattie), Clark & Lois (tolerant kitties) |
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rattytatty

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| 06/18/2008 10:25 PM |
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It's possible to have a dominant dog that is not an alpha dog...
Dogs are pack animals and, as such, have a unique communication system they use to deal with group living and interaction. It is best to introduce unacquainted dogs to one another in a neutral area with each dog on leash. If the dogs' behavior is calm, they can be allowed to smell each other nose to nose, and nose to genital-anal area. It is important to be alert for key body postures and facial expressions that indicate the dogs' reaction to the encounter.
A subordinate or fearful dog will lower the head, hold the ears back, tuck the tail between its legs, and not make eye contact with the other dog. One dog may exhibit extreme submission by slinking along the ground, lying down, and lifting one rear leg and exposing the abdomen. An aggressive but subordinate dog will probably bare its teeth, but will hold its ears back and its tail down and be ready to flee. A dominant dog will hold the tail high and perhaps wag it slowly. This type of dog will establish eye contact with the other dog. Growling, snarling, and barking may occur! An aggressive, dominant dog will also bare the teeth and raise the hair on its back in an attempt to threaten. A playful dog will place the front end of its body down and the rear end up (a canine posture called a play bow), emit a high-pitched bark, and wag its tail. Watch for these signs in the dogs.... and yes Christine is right -- walk them together., |
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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bluedog

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| 06/19/2008 10:04 AM |
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| Yes! My lab is definitely dominant, but definitely not alpha. |
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Christine Mom to Michael & Charlotte Moose (lab), Paisley (rattie), Clark & Lois (tolerant kitties) |
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lynnygal

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| 06/19/2008 11:08 AM |
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I would recommend having the dogs meet for the first time on neutral territory.....like at the park or something like that...... Let them warm up to each other that way on leashes to see how it goes. If all goes ok then I'd bring one dog to the other dogs house----and let them meet outside......before bringing them into the house together..... Good luck..... Lynn |
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Daxter

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| 06/19/2008 11:30 AM |
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| Thanks for the great advice everyone. I really appreciated. I will keep you guys update. |
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Monica & Daxter |
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Daxter

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| 08/11/2008 4:41 PM |
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Update: So finally last weekend we introduced both dog together, at first Nebb was barking at Daxter and then we walked both dog together and they get along We went inside the condo and they are fine, except Daxter being territorial. Every time Nebb comes to me and wants to be pet, he growl at Nebb, he doesn't wants Nebb go near the couch where I sit and Daxter is next to me. And after an hour or so being in the same room Nebb is actually wagging his tail and ask daxter to play but he growl. So we plan on socializing both of them more, at least the 1st introduction went quiet well I would say, better than I would imagine. Thanks for all the good advice everyone  |
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gwacie

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| 08/11/2008 5:07 PM |
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| Good Monica! When Daxter is on the couch by you and he growls I would put him on the floor straight away. This will help him learn that growling is not acceptable in that situation. |
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Daxter

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| 08/11/2008 5:15 PM |
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Thanks Bethany, I should do that next time when he growls again. I just shush him like Cesar Milan did when he growl but not work really well. |
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