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daisydeux


Ratastic
Ratastic
06/18/2008 11:32 AM  

At home, both our babies are allowed on furniture, jump in our laps, etc.  I need to teach them sometimes to get off furniture (and off company's laps!!!!)  Out dogs LOVE company, but is there a way to teach them to distinguish b/w just regular home behavior and when we have guests over???  Of course some don't mind, but some do & I DON't want to be "that annoying dog owner... "  I have had a friend over & Daisy kept jumping up on the couch & WOULDN'T stop trying to jump on her lap and play

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

Julie

RatsRule!


Ratastic
Ratastic
06/18/2008 12:04 PM  
We have the same situation as you. Chloe is allowed on the furniture etc, but when company comes, I don't like her to be all up in peoples faces- in case THEY don't like it. Our trainer pointed out that Chloe needs to be taught when it's okay and not okay to do certain things. Like jumping, or being on the furniture, etc.

For example: Chloe always jumped up on me (and high!) when ever she wanted- adn I let her. My mistake. But, she's now been taught (for the most part) that she only jumps when I say "Okay, up!" Otherwise- I now look for her signals that she's about to try and jump at me, and I tell her no jump and she knows not to because it's not okay when I say no. It took a couple weeks of telling her no, no jump, and then praising her every time she resisted the urge to jump anyway. With practice she got it. Our next accomplishment will be the furniture. My son and I have been working on this, but not as dilegently, but will be soon now that we'll have 2 dogs in the house.

My suggestion, if you are comfortable doing so, would be to start making it a policy in your home that the dogs don't get up on the furniture unless you tell them it's okay. It's only a matter of re-training them to do something different than what they've been used to. It will be strange to them at first (and you too), but they will get the hang of it - these are such smart dogs as you know. Once they understand that they are only allowed up when you say so, they'll behave when company comes over and continue to wait for an okay to get up there with them. Hope that helps. Good luck!!

~~ Life is awesome when you share it with a couple of Ratties! ~~
Terri, proud mom of Chloe & Bonnie!
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RatsRule!


Ratastic
Ratastic
06/18/2008 12:06 PM  
Oh- and instead of always saying No to them... Off is a great alternative- especially with furniture, people etc. And dogs respond to the souds that S and F's make. Sit, stay, off.

~~ Life is awesome when you share it with a couple of Ratties! ~~
Terri, proud mom of Chloe & Bonnie!
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Ratbone Rescues Application Coordinator
Mitzy's Mom


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
06/18/2008 12:19 PM  

Good advice!

I had to laugh though because when I first met my husband he had a golden retreiver who weighed 65 pounds...she would jump on guests and sit in their laps so you couldn't even see them....and he allowed her to do this! Now, he knew better, but with that particular dog he spoiled her rotten.  Didn't last too long after I moved in....


Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom
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rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
06/18/2008 1:02 PM  
Most trainers will advise against allowing your furkids on furniture... but here again I feel that it's a personal choice. The problem arises for most people when the dog cannot differentiate between when it's ok to get on furniture .. or laps... and when it's NOT ok. The dog doesn't understand (and can't understand), for example, that at night it's ok for him to be on the couch with the family members... but if Aunt Sadie is visiting and she's elderly... it's not ok. Your dog can't be expected to know the difference.

The off command is one which I use for my dogs when they attempt to jump on furniture or visitors. When training this behavior the owner may give the verbal command each time the dog jumps on a person, or piece of furniture. If the dog immediately returns to the ground offering praise and a reward will reinforce the desired behavior. Dogs typically like to jump up on visitors when they first enter the house. Therefore, training an off command may require the owner to have people come to the house often and pretend to be visiting for training purposes. It is helpful to have a few different people participating in this exercise so the dog does not get used to one particular training person and learns the off command should be followed regardless of who enters the house.




~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
06/18/2008 1:10 PM  
Yeah, Mary Beth -- it's not so bad when it's a small dog, but when it's a large breed dog that thinks he's a lap dog -- that could indeed spell disaster! LOL


~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ
daisydeux


Ratastic
Ratastic
06/19/2008 7:19 AM  

Thanks so much for the info!!!!

Emmastaff


Ratterific
Ratterific
06/21/2008 10:58 PM  

Another option is to teach them to go on the couch only when invited. You could use some sort of hand signal or verbal command that is not commonly used and teach them that they can only go on the couch then. Putting the behavior (getting on the furniture) on cue, and then teaching the "off" command as mentioned above are both great options for managing this behavior. I keep maggie on leash when guests arrive (Sometimes she is just dragging the leash depending on her behavior). But I can use it to easily redirect her if she gets too obnoxious and begins jumping all over them. I especially do this when children are coming over. I do not use the leash as a correction, just as a means to redirect her over to me. Then I say "Yes" and reward her for calm behavior.

kp_in_scott


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
06/22/2008 7:39 AM  
I am so glad that since Amos was a puppy we never allowed him on the furniture. It's not a problem now. I think it must be very hard to "unteach" this behavior. My daughter allows her pug in the bed with them. When I am not at home, she allows Amos on HER bed. (He LOVES it by the way) But because I've never allowed it, he never does it when I'm home. lol Unless he's doing the Rattie 500 through the house, then he will SOMETIMES jump up on the bed briefly and then jump down and tear through the rest of the house.

Kim, owned by one sweet Rattie and a house full of parrots
pepper


Obsessed
Obsessed
06/22/2008 8:47 AM  
My parents have an englis setter that always asks before coming up on furniture. It wasn't anything they intentionally taught, she just learned it on her own. I think the trick to it was that if she wanted up on something, she would sit by it. then if we said OK, she would come up. Maybe that's something you can train, to always "ask" so they know if they are not invited, it's not allowed.

Kristin ~ Pepper's mommy
PamWh


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
06/22/2008 8:53 AM  
I have no advice for you because I have the same problem with Bob when visitors first come over. He seems really attracted to people who aren't really dog people. It's like the more they want him to leave them alone, the more he is determined to jump in their laps and stick his tongue in their mouths!

PamWh
aka Bob's Mom

If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!
daisydeux


Ratastic
Ratastic
06/22/2008 9:04 AM  

PamWh, I know, it's the Murphy's law of doggies 

I know it's not their fault, it is hard to differentiate...Unfortunately both my husband & I are suckas, and we just love having our dogs on the furniture w/us.  I have gotten great info, and will start working on this this week probably, thank you all...I guess it would be wrong to use a spray bottle while I have guests over being as I have bad aim????

Julie

wmars1776


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
06/22/2008 9:58 AM  
Whenever I jump on the couch with Jeanne all frisky, she simply says "down boy!" It works.

Bill - "Smokey's" Dad
Cumberland, Rhode Island

"To everything, there is a season"
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