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Duke Lank
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| 05/21/2008 9:50 AM |
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HI Everyone, I found my eye glasses chewed up by Duke (the plastic part). How do I discipline him? I use his crate to sleep at night. I leave him in my bedroom if I have to leave and can't take him with me. So he feels safe when I leave. What can I do to punish him?
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Mitzy's Mom
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| 05/21/2008 9:54 AM |
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You should not discipline him for that. You need to keep anything you don't want chewed away from him! If you choose to leave him in your bedroom when you leave (versus the crate) then make sure all your shoes, glasses, etc. are put up where he can't get them.
Discipling after the fact is not understood by the dog. And, whenever possible, positive reinforcement is much better! For example, if you had found him chewing on your glasses, you could have told him "NO' and taken the glasses and given him a chew toy to chew on. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
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gwacie
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| 05/21/2008 10:28 AM |
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Dogs don't like to be alone. They get bored and lonely, sometimes scared. Some do better with it than others. Your glasses smell like you and have an interesting texture. So they appealed to Duke. What did Duke have available to chew that is his? Is there some reason you don't crate Duke or put him in a restricted area that is dog safe? If you plan to keep using your bedroom, you must dog proof it. Put up ANYTHING that you don't want chewed. Some folks have had success using a product called bitter apple to deter chewing. I personally restrict my dogs to crates or the laundry room and provide them stuffed kongs or bully sticks to chew.
MB is correct, if you discipline him after the fact he won't make the connection, he'll just develop a fear of you or be confused. If you don't catch them in the act there is no point trying to tell him no after the fact. Dogs don't operate that way. |
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gwacie (Bethany)
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RatsRule!
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| 05/21/2008 10:31 AM |
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Exactly!! I couldn't agree more with that last reply!! Never punish your dog after the fact. Dogs chew things and if he isn't allowed to chew your glasses, then it's up to you to put them out of his reach. He should not be disciplined or punished for something that was left out for him to get to.
On another post someone had a similar question and someone responded with- "Everbody chant with me .... .. CRATE, CRATE, CRATE! " I beleive crating is key when you can't be with your dog or know they absolutely will not get into anyting, and I think few of us can be 100% sure of that. Crating not only keeps your belongings safe, but more importantly, they keep your dog safe too!! |
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rattytatty
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| 05/21/2008 10:33 AM |
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(1) It was your fault for leaving the glasses where he could reach them.... so don't blame the dog for being a dog.
(2) If you aren't going to crate him when you aren't around... then it's your responsibility to make sure items are picked up and out of the dog's reach. This will not only protect your possessions, but it will also protect your dog.
(3) ANY "punishment" after ther fact is useless.
(4) Punishment ... period... is often useless. |
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rattytatty
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| 05/21/2008 10:34 AM |
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| Duke Lank -- please read my "TRAGEDY STRIKES" thread in the training section. This happened last weekend, and could have absolutely been prevented had Sally left her dogs crated. |
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~Nora~
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DaisysMom
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| 05/21/2008 10:57 AM |
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Well, everyone has already provided IMO what is the ONLY answer in this scenario - and that is, you can't punish him after the fact. I, too, advise the crate as the best solution to your problem. My Daisy is crated roughly 8 hours a day while we are all at work/school. She is not crated at night as she sleeps with us in our bed (and has since she was reliable potty-wise overnight). At night the door to our bedroom and the door to the master bath are both kept shut, so there's nowhere for her to roam off to and she has never in 2 years had a tendency to get up and get into things or want to play when it's bedtime, however, if she did, I'd have to consider crating her at night as well.
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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Erinj09
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| 05/22/2008 1:44 AM |
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this is all good information for everyone to know. when i was younger i heard of people (and i could see my dad doing this) rubbing their dogs nose in their accidents (i dont think litterally in it tho) to show them what they did was wrong. but ive learned thats NOT a good thing to do. if you do that, then they think that pottying and such is bad and thus they just try and hide it more. correct me if im wrong though  anyway, just wanted to say great information. EVERYONE should know that dicipline is not the answer.
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Duke Lank
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| 05/22/2008 7:52 AM |
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Thank you for all your input. I spoke with the obedience trainer and she echoed everything you all said. So being a new rattie owner, I will definitely follow all of the advice I have received. Again thank you all for taking the time to help me.
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DaisysMom
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| 05/22/2008 8:20 AM |
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Duke's Mom: I'm glad you checked with an obedience trainer as well.
Erin: You are right about the "rubbing their nose in it" not being at all acceptable anymore, though it was "back in the day" often the way dogs were treated.
I want to point out however (speaking for myself) that punishment (or correction) was not warranted in this case; BUT it IS important to offer proper correction IMMEDIATELY when a dog is doing something inappropriate and then to offer IMMEDIATE positive reinforcement when the dog stops the misbehavior. That is why so many of us advise that when you are not going to be able to have the dog within your sight, that you either crate them or be willing to overlook misbehavior. The key (IMO) is the word IMMEDIATE. A dog's attention span is very, very limited and he/she will not, can not, associate your approval or disapproval with something he/she has or has not done unless you are there to offer correction or praise IMMEDIATELY.
Also, please be aware that most ratties are very intelligent and also very sensitive, correction for misbehavior need not be and should not be "harsh", a stern (not loud) ACK or NO is usually sufficient. Or a CHHH!, if your a Cesar Milan fan  And a distraction to something else (treat/toy) is usually sufficent for training these dogs.
And don't forget to praise your dog. As with most things in life, we often only notice when something bad is happening and overlook the day-to-day good things that occur. Take the opportunity when your dog is "just being good" to randomly remind him or her that that's the kind of behavior that pleases you.
Sorry for the blathering... LOL! I just wanted to stress that "discipline" when raising a dog is usually necessary at some point. The key is when/where/how. |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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