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Mitchlav


Newbie
Newbie
05/05/2008 3:15 PM  

Hi Folks,

I've got a 7 month old Rat Terrier named Murphy.  I love him dearly, but he is winning in the war to train him.  Murphy has been fixed, and I thought this would calm him down.  Not so much.

One of the most destructive habits habits he has -- even more than not being housebroken -- is that chews.  When I put him outside, he chews on the outside of the door frame!  When left unattended for any amount of time, he chews on furniture (he's ruined some very nice bedroom furniture).  He has chewwed up several of my son's toys.   When We have boarded him, we put his crate in the cage with him, and he he chewwed on crate!  It's not as if the animal doesn't have chew toys, and he has a friend in our 9 year old Carrin Terrier (alpha dog). 

Help?  Advice? Recommendations for sedatives for me?

DaisysMom


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05/05/2008 3:34 PM  
What chew toys does he have? Does he chew on them at all, or ignore them? I'd suggest bully sticks which may interest him enough to get rid of some of the chewing urge.

How much exercise is he getting? I think most behavior problems can be attributed to boredom and lack of real stimulation (not just their bodies, but their minds) At least one, but preferably two "good" walks per day (i.e.: 1/2 long or so and in the proper position - not him leading the way) can significantly decrease the type of issues Murphy is having.

He looks adorable I love the avatar. It'll take some effort and work, but it's definitely a very fixable problem.

Other helpful hints: put up everything that you can (toys/shoes/etc) reasonably keep out of his reach. You can also try bitter apply spray (sold in pet stores) for the furniture pieces and door frame to make them taste unpleasant. It's non-toxic of course.

It really does sound like some exercise and stimulation (game playing, frisbee, find the hidden treat, etc) is really what he needs.

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

The Animal Rescue Site


alice4512


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/05/2008 4:07 PM  

I was thinking the same thing about exercise,  two 30 minute walks can cure a LOT of issues.


The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too

~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~
Amy


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
05/05/2008 4:17 PM  

OMG! I love your avatar! Patience is DEFINITELY a virtue in rattie ownership. I agree completely with Tracey. Excercise and put up everything possible. Also, maybe treats hidden in a kong? Stick with it.It really does get better. My Yaz will be 2 next month. Her puppy days were a VERY tearful nightmare. Now they seem so far away. Welcome to the Rattie world!


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Mitchlav


Newbie
Newbie
05/06/2008 1:50 PM  

Thanks for the replies!

Murphy does have chew toys, and he plays with them.  He just also thinks everything else is his chew toy as well.  He's also a Dingo addict... little rawhide chews that he polishes off in about 30 minutes.

Excercise is something he does not get enough of (and neither do I for that matter).  The weather has turned nice, so I'll work in some more walks, which he loves.  I would also agree that he gets bored.  He's a brilliant dog.  He schemes. 

Keeping stuff away from him is tricky.  Last night, he was chewwing on my iPod... the silicon protective case is ruined, but the iPod is OK.  I guess I need to do better.  Just puting something on a table is not good enough.

I'll give him a few more walks and see how it goes.  Thanks again!

DaisysMom


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05/06/2008 2:41 PM  
No problem. Personally, I don't use any form of rawhide for my dogs. I worry about intestinal blockage and/or choking hazard. Not too mention whether or not it contains plastics or is made in China. Bully sticks are a safe, 100% natural, product that usually lasts my Daisy quite awhile, especially the larger one. She absolutely LOVES them.

Routine walks will definitely help your situation, I believe. As will putting things up (way up) out of his reach.

Good luck and make sure you stick around and keep us posted --- we'd love some pics of "Chewy"

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

The Animal Rescue Site


Mitchlav


Newbie
Newbie
05/06/2008 2:57 PM  

Your dog is named Daisy! 

We also have a 9 year old Carrin Terrier named Daisy.   She's the alpha... I guess Murphy is into dominant women.

DaisysMom


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
05/06/2008 3:02 PM  
We want pics of Murphy AND Daisy!!!

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

The Animal Rescue Site


GrafixGurl


Ratterific
Ratterific
05/09/2008 6:03 PM  

Bunny is a big time chewer as well.  She has chewed everything from clothing and furniture to the swingset in the back yard and ANYTHING left in the yard.  She is 8 months old and has yet to slow down on chewing.  The best advice I can offer is KONG toys with hidden treats inside.  The soft stuff you squirt inside is messing and doesnt last but a few moments.. I use the hard liver treats made for Kong toys.  Also chew bones are great for outdoor chewing.  The centercut femur bones are best as they don't splinter and they are hollow so you can hide treats in them as well.  They do get better as they mature so be patient and persistent in diverting to appropriate chew items. 

I would avoid rawhide type of chews (event the crumble ones) - these tear off easily and swell once swallowed and can cause intestinal blockage.  Also vinyl toys are red flag toys too as they can cause blockage too.  If you have to use a squeeky toy then use the latex as that will just pass on through (ick!) but won't block 'em up.

OH! treat balls are a great indoor distraction too.

We also walk our dogs regularly and it really helps put a cap on their destructive energy (Maybe that dog whisperer knows what he is talking about when he says - walk the problem )

Good luck and Hang in there!!

PM

 

 


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myrateddie


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
05/12/2008 8:46 AM  

My rattie Eddie is a chewer.  He loves my sons pacifiers .  He also chews paper, toys, etc.  No furniture yet...I certainly hope he doesn't start that ! I can attribute his chewing to the fact that the last two weeks I have been VERY busy and was out of town this weekend so he hasn't gotten very many walks.  I have noticed an increase in chewing since the decrease in his walks.  I am going to fix that starting today .  I am going back to our daily walks of about a half hour each.


Heather
Wife to Michael
Mommy to skin kids Mikey and Alexandria
Mommy to fur kids Eddie (RT), Indigo (my horse), and Joey (my beloved pony of 13 years)
no1_ksu_fan


Ratterific
Ratterific
05/12/2008 9:13 AM  
Toby is a chewer as well. His chewing didn't start until he was around a year old. And most of it this winter when he wasn't exercised as much. But now that the weather is nicer we haven't had a problem. But he was locked for up for a while and showed what he did and told him no and that has helped as well. But we have chunks out of the window sills, door frames, chairs with wood arms, bottom of coffee table gone. But he hasn't done anything as of late...knock on wood...but Exercise Exercise Exercise that little guy and you will see a difference.

Toby's Momma



gwacie


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
05/12/2008 9:36 AM  
Welcome. Seven months old is too young to be unattended for long periods of time in areas where there are inappropriate things to chew. He's still very young and, frankly, if he is getting things to chew he shouldn't that is a fault of the humans. You need to be available any time he is not crated so you can redirect his chewing efforts on to appropriate toys. If he is in the other room and gets quiet don't wait, go immediately to see what he is up to. Bully sticks are a great idea for chewers as are stuffed kong toys. Many RTs are active chewers and will be throughout their lives but they are easily trained if you do your part. If you leave things around that are 'interesting' then you run the risk of him testing them out right now (as you found with your Ipod). Also, I make sure to change the toys in our dog toy box every 2-3 weeks (I have 2 sets, I wash one set and put the others out - keeps them interesting). Some folks have found that their RTs like the crackle of an empty water bottle (no lid which is swallowable) so you could also try that for a toy for him.

Exercise is a biggie as you've read in this thread. A tired terrier is a happy terrier. It takes more than just physical exercise with these guys though, you need to get them mentally tired too and that takes interaction and training time with the humans (train him in commands like sit, stay, down etc).

These are really smart dogs and they take really smart and savvy humans for owners - you can get him trained and you will have one of the best companions of your life, but you must engage. Good luck! Check out the training forum, as there are lots of great tips there.

gwacie (Bethany)
http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
Mitchlav


Newbie
Newbie
05/12/2008 10:51 AM  
Interesting to hear that others have the problem and it's encouraging that a simple solution like exercise works. I've been walking him regularly (weather has been great for it so it's been fun for both of us). I do think much of Murphy's chewing behavior comes from being bored. Daisy is a much older, calmer dog and sleeps a lot. Murphy almost never stops. The walks seem to help. Thanks to most of you for the advice without judgement.




Dinks Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/12/2008 10:59 AM  

HI!  I just wanted to say that your avatar made me laugh out loud bigtime!


~Susy~
gwacie


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
05/12/2008 11:04 AM  
Mitch, another thing you can do, if you think he is bored, is set up a game of search for him - hide toys or treats so he can "find" them and encourage him to look (the first couple of times you have to kind of guide him to them to show him the game). Obviously these should be in places where there isn't something even *more* interesting to chew instead (like a shoe or something). LMK if that doesn't make sense.

gwacie (Bethany)
http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
myrateddie


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
05/12/2008 11:05 AM  

Also, just a quick addition to my pp.  I bought Eddie a Nylabone yesterday and he loves it.  There are different Nylabone strength for stronger dogs.  I got Eddie a medium sized bone meant for strong chewers and it keeps him busy.  You might want to try one for your little guy.  They are tough so they can't bite off chunks and choke.


Heather
Wife to Michael
Mommy to skin kids Mikey and Alexandria
Mommy to fur kids Eddie (RT), Indigo (my horse), and Joey (my beloved pony of 13 years)
buttonbutt


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
05/12/2008 11:28 AM  
He's teething. It'll most likely let up when he has all his adult teeth. Bitter Apple spray where feasible works on furniture legs, cabinet corners, crate and door edges and such with most dogs. Nylabones helped with Button a lot. Button seemed to enjoy gnawing on sticks in the yard when she was teething, too. I'd play fetch tossing sticks, but she'd stop and just lad down and chew on them!

Peggy
Mom to Button & Zipper
My sweet RatTexans
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
05/12/2008 1:33 PM  
Posted By Mitchlav on 05/05/2008 3:15 PM

Hi Folks,

I've got a 7 month old Rat Terrier named Murphy.  I love him dearly, but he is winning in the war to train him.  (training is not a "war".  It's just part of owning a pet).  Murphy has been fixed, and I thought this would calm him down.  (neutering does solve some unacceptable behavior... but doesn't usually calm a dog down especially if it's a young dog).  Not so much.

One of the most destructive habits habits he has -- even more than not being housebroken -- is that chews.  When I put him outside, he chews on the outside of the door frame!  When left unattended for any amount of time, he chews on furniture (he's ruined some very nice bedroom furniture). (If he has totally "ruined" some nice furniture, then perhaps he was left unsupervised too long?) He has chewwed up several of my son's toys. (shut the door to your son's room or any other room you don't wish for the dog to go into).   When We have boarded him, we put his crate in the cage with him, and he he chewwed on crate!  It's not as if the animal doesn't have chew toys, and he has a friend in our 9 year old Carrin Terrier (alpha dog). 

Help?  Advice? Recommendations for sedatives for me?

There are various reasons for destructive chewing. Pups need to chew when they are teething between the age of four to six months and this often carries over until a dog is a year or more of age. They are like babies putting everything in their mouths. This is a pleasurable and necessary experience for them and must be handled properly or a chewing habit may be carried into adulthood. The best way to handle this problem is to soak several old wash rags in water, squeeze them out, and put them in the freezer. Whenever you catch your pup chewing, give him one of these frozen wash rags. The coldness will soothe his swollen gums.  Also, try giving him a kong filled with peanut butter to keep him busy for awhile.


Older dogs usually chew to release tension. There are several things you can do to help your dog feel more at ease. Try to avoid emotionally charged departures. When you leave, just say, "Good-bye, see you later." The greater fuss you make, the more anxiety you create. Establish your leadership through training. Dogs are more secure knowing they have a leader. Do not give in to his demand for excessive attention when you are home. The more you give, the more he will want and, when you are not there, he will be frustrated. Do not isolate your dog as punishment for chewing. This will create more tension and lead to more chewing. Do not physically punish him for chewing. He is chewing to relieve tension, and punishment creates more tension, hence, more chewing. Instead, give him plenty of exercise before leaving him home alone. Exercise works the same way for dogs as it does for humans. It relieves tension.  Less tension = less chewing.

If your dog insists on chewing, there are some things you can do to slow down the habit and redirect the chewing to permissible objects. Do not play tug-of-war games. This stimulates the oral/mouthing response. Get him a toy-box and fill it with permissible chew toys-nylon bones, racquet balls, rubber rings, and nylon rope. Do not put any personal belongings in this box such as old slippers, knotted socks, or any leather or fabric items. Whenever he chews on a personal belonging, say, "NO CHEW!" and lead him over to his toy-box, give him one of his chew toys and say, "CHEW," followed by "Good Dog!" This will teach him that he can chew but only if the item comes out of his toy box. If he has a personal item in his mouth, do not pull it out. Instead, distract him with one of his toys or a food tidbit. If this does not work, blow a whistle, pop a balloon, or blow a horn. A loud noise will cause him to release. Physical punishment for having this forbidden item in his mouth will only serve to reinforce this behavior. In other words, the chewing will continue and will, in all probability, increase in frequency.

The key factor in anything that you do is to establish a bond with your dog. It is essential that you spend time training him. Part of any good training program includes breaks for playtime. And, of course, lots and lots of daily exercise is absolutely necessary.

And of course... until the dog is older and the chewing behavior is curtailed.... ALWAYS make sure he's supervised (you can't correct the behavior if you don't see it)... and make sure he is in his crate when he's not supervised.  Close the doors of rooms you don't want him in... and keep stuff PUT UP (shoes, etc.) that you don't want to run the risk of him getting ahold of.

 Edited to add:  I personally don't advise allowing your dog to chew on sticks.  They can get them stuck in the roof  of their mouth, run with them and get it imbedded in them, or choke on them.   (My doxie almost choked to death when she got a twig embedded in her throat and it scared me to DEATH a few years ago!!)  As much as possible i would avoid your dog chewing and gnawing on them.



~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ
rebelredneck71


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
05/12/2008 2:24 PM  
i give my dogs a "peanut butter sandwich" which consist of peanut butter and a ritz cracker, when I notice they are getting restless, and I can't go take them for a walk. this keeps them occupied for about 10 to 15 minutes for just one "peanut butter sandwich". As your walking them try training him to sit, stay, lay etc as your are walking them this also tires their mind and your tiring there body. If it to cold outside or raining try using a treadmill. I use one for my lab mix when she gets rowdy. She loves it. My rattie just looks at me and has that look like "yeah right, that looks like exercise, and I ain't doing it."

Life is like a jar of Jalapenos what do you today could burn your butt tomorrow.

A.D.
daddy to 3 skin kiddos, and a dad to 3 fur kiddos
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
05/13/2008 8:21 AM  
One little ritz cracker peanut butter sandwich lasts your rattie for 10-15 minutes?
Wow! I'm impressed!
I don't feed crackers to my dogs... but if I did? I promise you it would last MAYBE 15 seconds! LOL


~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ
GrafixGurl


Ratterific
Ratterific
05/13/2008 8:36 AM  

Me too on the Ritz with peanut butter LOL .... chomp! Gone! MORE MOM MORE!!!   But if it works for you.. go for it


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Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
05/13/2008 8:48 AM  
First time I fed Eddie some peanut butter he didn't seem to realize how it worked. He thought everything he LICKED tasted like peanut butter so he kept trying different things. ("mmmm, my leg has a flavor!....mmmm dis floor has a flavor TOO! )

gwacie (Bethany)
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Mitchlav


Newbie
Newbie
05/25/2008 4:22 PM  

I appreciate your advice, Nora... and everyone.  The chewing problem is better now that we're actively doing some good behaviors to correct Murphy.  It's not fixed, but it's better and we're enjoying Murphy a lot more, too. 

gwacie


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
05/25/2008 7:36 PM  
YAY! I love happy training stories!

gwacie (Bethany)
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Mitchlav


Newbie
Newbie
06/02/2008 5:45 PM  

I'm just grateful this has not happened... YET.

Noodles n Me


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
06/02/2008 5:59 PM  
looks like my first week with Noodles.

There is no joy greater than being owned by a Rattie!!
cat
Mitchlav


Newbie
Newbie
06/02/2008 6:15 PM  
Posted By Noodles n Me on 06/02/2008 5:59 PM
looks like my first week with Noodles.



Youz jus gona fush it aniwai.

(why is typing phonetically so funny to me?)

rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
06/03/2008 8:08 AM  
I'm glad Murphy's chewing behavior has improved. The key is always to divert them to something they CAN chew on, or confine them where they can't chew anything that is not acceptable for them to chew on. Asking them not to chew at all is not realistic, as it's a puppy's nature to chew.


~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ
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Ratastic
Ratastic
06/03/2008 5:02 PM  
Keep his mouth busy with good for him things like, frozen natural peanut butter (no salt, sugar added) in a kong, bully sticks etc. Keep an eye on him so that if he starts to chew on something he isn't supposed to - tell him firmly- NO. then give him his thing. Eventually he'll get it. Chloe chews too- all dogs do, but they need to be taught by us what is okay and not okay for them to chew. Hang in there! Sounds like you are doing a good job and really trying to work on this.

~~ Life is awesome when you share it with a couple of Ratties! ~~
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Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
06/07/2008 10:33 AM  
Corona'a chewing really slowed down, and just recently picked up again, 3 times as bad. It's to the point we can't leave the room for more than seconds. So the first thing I decided was to come here... when I found this link I knew I'd find some help. Everyone had such great advice and I think Nora's advice hit everything and was summed up very well. Maybe that could all be posted at the top where new members could see it, like a "chewing problems" topic? Ive noticed that TONs of people tend to post about chewing, and maybe having it ready available would be good? Just a thought.

Aubrey
*Corona's Mommy*




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