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piejeff

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| 04/17/2008 11:02 AM |
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I have a 6 month old ratty named Cody who generally is the greatest dog on the planet. He lives in a house just outside of Boston (30 minute walk to be in the center of the city) with my girlfriend, three roommates (all male), and myself. He is in contact with different people on a daily basis, mainly because we go on long walks into the city walking by thousands of people, and because we are always having our friends over. However he has become timid, if he meets someone he is always somewhat nervous, and backs away if someone puts their hand out towards them. He has never been aggressive, bitten, or barked at a person doing this, he just kind of backs away. I don't know what to think of this, is this aggressive? Why is he so shy?
Also, the other day, Cody was sleeping in his bed, and my roommates girlfriend went down to pet him, and he did a slight growl and showed his teeth... Nothing more, but I still had to tell him that this behavior is not acceptable, by saying "NO" while pointing at him. Is my way of telling him no wrong? Is it because I am pointing at him that he gets nervous around people? I just feel like I am the cause of making him timid and feel terrible. I just want Cody to be a loving happy dog.
(He also has not gotten neutered yet, not sure if that plays a role) |
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DaisysMom

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| 04/17/2008 11:15 AM |
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What does he do when you stop and greet someone and they pay no attention to him at all, but just stand there chatting with you? (I know --- most everyone always wants to greet the cute little puppy, so you may have no idea.) With the roommate's girlfriend and the bed issue, was he sound asleep and didn't see/hear her approach until he realized her hand was near his head? It's my opinion and experience, that people should not reach out to touch a dog that is asleep - issue a verbal cue that you are there first. This is one of the rare times I think that it's a complete people issue and not the dog's "fault" at all. If he was just lying there and say her approach and issued his warning anyway, it's likely because he sees this as "his" bed where he sleeps at night and/or during the day for naps, and he may be protecting/guarding it, which isn't desireable, of course. Your response was not bad, but perhaps next time, a stern no and make him get off the bed with the "Off" command and have the visitor have a seat there so as to show him that YOU are in control of the bed and YOU are THE alpha, not him. You may want to even do short training sessions with visitors/roommates to help him learn that the bed is not his sole domain. Is he crate trained? If not, I highly recommend it, as the crate can be his special place where he can go when he wants to retreat. |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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piejeff

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| 04/17/2008 11:29 AM |
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He is very polite if someone shows me more attention than him. He will usually sit or sniff stuff.
He isn't crate trained. He is both my girlfriend and my dog, so we have to agree on it, but the influences around us say no, seeing as my girlfriends borhters ratty isn't crate trained, as well as her parents dog and my sisters dog. It is something I would consider.
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bluedog

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| 04/17/2008 11:46 AM |
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Have you ever watched the dog whisperer? He addresses fear/anxiety escalating into aggression on almost every show. It is a very common problem. It sounds like he is getting great exercise. Does he walk in front of you or next to you? He's taking the dominant leader position (even though he may or may not want it). As "animals" in our dog's pack we are either leader or weak and it can flop back and forth depending on our own energy and how our dog perceives us. Being leader does not mean being mean or aggressive or bossy, rather calm and assertive. I've been applying Cesar's techniques for about 2 months and it has made amazing changes in my dog, I will do the same with my newly adopted rattie (as of next week).
You are probably anxious that your dog will growl/bite/show teeth (understandable) and you are transmitting that anxiety to your dog (or the person approaching your dog is anxious). Dogs reactions are indicators of our own emotions.
Taking every opportunity to assert your position as pack leader is important, the walk being the biggest opportunity. My dog waits while I go through doors first (including the car), he is quiet while I put on the leash. He waits and looks at me first while in a sit before he gets his food. Not only can you change your dog's fear/aggression tendencies, you can provide a safer environment by setting up consistent expectations.
My 2 cents - the show is on National Geographic or you can rent/buy the seasons on DVD.
Christine
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Christine Mom to Michael & Charlotte Moose (lab), Paisley (rattie), Clark & Lois (tolerant kitties) |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 04/17/2008 11:54 AM |
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I agree with Tracey and Christine except that you may not necessarily be projecting "nervousness/anxiety" to him. I know this because I, too, have a very shy dog. She wasn't socialized well as a pup (my fault) and so was very shy and nervous when strange people would greet her. Never agressive, just would back away from them. I wasn't projecting nervousness because a lot of times this would completely take me by surprise - because I was calm and happily walking along, stopping to talk to people, etc. when she would do this.
She wasn't ever abused. Some dogs are just more shy than others. I've been working with her on this issue for the past 2 years and she is much better! I take her among people (not crowds as that would be too overwelming for her) and by me being "calm/assertive" and also by her seeing my other dogs be ok with getting petted by strangers she has become much better. She even walks up to stranger on her own now and expects to be petted! It just takes time.
I would definitely look into crating (get your gf to read the crate training post pinned at the top of the Training Forum). Some dogs do fine without but especially since you have so many people in and out of your home it might be a good idea for him. It gives him a special place of his own.
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 04/17/2008 11:56 AM |
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| Forgot to add - get him neutered ASAP! He's getting "hormonal" at that age and if you're not going to breed him there's no reason he should not be neutered. It will also protect him from some cancers. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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piejeff

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| 04/17/2008 12:01 PM |
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| Yeah I am pretty calm with him. I make sure he walks beside me, and I never let him walk me. He will go up to people to sniff them, just doesn't want them to touch him. He is still a puppy, and he has been socialized pretty well. He also gets really anxious around bigger dogs, or really excited dogs, and works better with dogs that are calm or let them sniff them, and obviously smaller dogs. |
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bluedog

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| 04/17/2008 12:04 PM |
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I agree with that - if a dog is shy or skittish, it can just take time. It is the same method for either situation, taking opportunities to show you are pack leader by being calm and assertive. Once you become aware of your internal energy - it is really quite amazing how this manifests itself in your dog. You can't fool them either!
You shouldn't let excited or aggressive dogs meet your dog anyway - that is okay for you to make a wide berth around them.
It is also okay for him to not want to be touched by everyone he meets. I watched one show where he said dogs should be allowed to sniff a person uninterupted. If they want more affection, they will ask for it and it is okay if they don't. It might be that he is just being interupted while he is sniffing. The average person does not know the proper way to greet a dog. |
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Christine Mom to Michael & Charlotte Moose (lab), Paisley (rattie), Clark & Lois (tolerant kitties) |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 04/17/2008 1:46 PM |
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He's ahead of where Mayfly started because she wouldn't even sniff people. Once she started to sniff people I got hopeful she would get less shy and she has. BTW - he's a real cutie! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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rattytatty

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| 04/18/2008 9:16 PM |
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Cody is very pretty....and welcome to the forum!
What's important here are several things... and one is that you may be unknowingly reinforcing the timid behvior. You probably are not even aware that you might be doing this. If a scared dog is picked up and cuddled, he will learn to associate the timid behavior with a pleasurable result of attention. Instead, you should simply allow your dog to be timid, and praise him lavishly when he exhibits a less-timid behavior, from cowering at your feet to standing alert on his own.
Keep taking him out and exposing him to as many things and people as you can. If he doesn't want to 'meet' someone, don't force him to! As long as he's not being aggressive towards them, I wouldn't worry too much about it. There's really no reason for him to HAVE to be outgoing and social towards people he doesn't know, and to force him to do so could have really detrimental effects
Behavior is a blend of nature and nurture. Some dogs are born with a timid nature and some dogs are "molded" by one way or another into that behavior. No dog is content in every context or situation...(it's hard not to show fear when you are afraid). Have realistic expectations... he may never be the life of the party. Sometimes the best we can hope for is a compromise.
Sounds like something happened somewhere along the way to change his behavior. Certainly if you don't know what happened... I cannot know what triggered the change. But with consistence, patience and lots of love (and making sure you protect him from "all strangers" who might wish to touch him). Might be good to crate him when visitors come... at least for awhile. He'll feel less threatened in the safety of his crate.
Good luck!
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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piejeff

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| 04/18/2008 10:08 PM |
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I guess it is also myself getting a little defensive when people tell me he seems shy. He doesn't get aggressive towards strangers, nor do I think he ever will. I guess I also expect him to act the way he does at home, at a park, or at my parents or my girlfriends home. Showing his teeth is what worried me most, he didn't bite my roommates girlfriend, and as soon as he did show his teeth, I quickly let him know that acting that way is not acceptable. I was really worried that these actions could trigger him to become aggressive. |
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rattytatty

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| 04/18/2008 11:53 PM |
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Dogs act differently around different people... in different locations... with all the different smells, noises, and other distractions from different environments.. it would be unfair to expect any dog to act the same regardless of who the dog is around or where the dog is. Even training a dog on various surfaces is very different. A dog might work beautifully on a concrete driveway... but take him on a gravel road and you very well may have to start from scratch. It's just how it is... You were right to correct the behavior when he showed his teeth... but he was doing it as a warning. Growling is a warning. Most dogs do growl prior to biting... or they do show their teeth prior to biting. Seldom does any dog bite without some type of warning first. The dog was warning the person to stay away... for whatever reason (reasons you may never know)... but for some reason the dog was afraid of the person. Most dog aggression originates from fear... and shy, timid dogs can be the worst fear biters when they are forced into situations they are not comfortable in... or around people they aren't comfortable around. Your dog is young and you should begin training immediately if you haven't already. |
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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piejeff

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| 04/20/2008 1:31 PM |
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In terms of training, he knows how to sit, lay, roll over, stay, come when asked, and he knows to walk beside me on walks. He knows to pee outside, and he doesn't bark. He is a well mannered dog. I guess the only thing I really should do is get him crate trained. My friend is the owner of a Pitbull/Rottweiler mix and he came by the other day and I have never seen Cody so excited to play with a big dog, and it got to the point where they were snuggling together. So that vanished my fear of him never warming up to bigger dogs. |
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