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Ruth & Mr.B


Ratterific
Ratterific
03/30/2008 6:53 PM  

Hi All,

So I've had Mr. B for a year and 2 months now and his stranger aggression is still pretty bad. I know it comes from fear, but he can appear pretty aggressive--barking and snapping (though he draws back when he touches skin) and even nipping at pant legs.

Because I've had him a while now I have been able to observe what works and doesn't when a new person comes into the house. I have tried getting stangers to get him to sit and give him treats and he will do so, and take the treat nicely, but as soon as there are no more treats in the person's hand he'll try to nip again if they try to pet him.

It seems the only thing that works is for people to COMPLETELY ignore him (no eye contact, no talking to him, and definitely no trying to pet him) for around 15 minutes. They also have to act relaxed and as if they own the house as much as I do. It seems that this confidence relaxes Mr. B and makes him feel as if he is inconsequential, i.e., not the center of attention, if you know what I mean. Then, once he calms down and approches the person they can pet him gently on the head and he will eventually even sit on their lap.

However, if the person doesn't do the ignoring thing and tries to pet him or whatever, it's as if all is lost and he will never trust them. The problem is, many of my friends think it's ridiculous that they should need to ignore him--that I'm indulging him and that I should be training HIM not to be this way. I just know from seeing different interactions that this is the best way to handle it. But maybe I am being indulgent? Do I need to be more assertive with my friends and tell them what they need to do (bear in mind, Mr. B was a rescue, is about 10 years old, and may have been abused), or do I really need to try different training tactics with Mr. B?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

rattytatty


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03/30/2008 7:00 PM  

With a 10-year old dog who has likely been abused... I think you are on the right track. I stopped caring a LONG time ago what other people think about the way I treat, don't treat, or train my dogs. They are my dogs and they must fit into my environment and lifestyle... and my goals for my furkids won't be the same as the goals others set for their furpups.

It's possible, but highly unlikely that you are going to change Mr. B at this point. Your responsibility is to protect Mr. B and to protect your visitors from being bitten.   If you want, you could try crating him when visitors come (is he crate trained?)... if this would make things easier for everyone.

Do what works for you... and what works for Mr. B to help him feel secure and loved, and pay no mind to what your visitors tell you. They aren't the ones with the dog... you are.

(now... ask me how I REALLY feel!!) LOL



~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ
Ruth & Mr.B


Ratterific
Ratterific
03/30/2008 7:03 PM  
OK, thanks Nora. That's pretty much what I figured but it's so frustrating sometimes when people don't listen to what I say, and I just started to wonder if I was being totally ridiculous. I think I just have to be clearer, and more assertive, with people when they come into the house. Thanks!
rattytatty


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03/30/2008 7:09 PM  
I have a friend who has a sign outside her door that says...

'If my dog doesn't like you... I more than likely won't either'. haha

You live there... Mr. B lives there... the others are visitors and have no say-so is the way I see it. That's doesn't alleviate your responsibility to your visitors so they won't get hurt though... but I think you already know that.

Good luck!


~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ
Ruth & Mr.B


Ratterific
Ratterific
03/30/2008 7:10 PM  
Oh, he is not crate trained, as I haven't had the need for other reasons (totally housetrained and not at all destructive) but I could try putting him in my bedroom (it's a one-bedroom apartment) with a Kong when visitors are over I guess.
Ruth & Mr.B


Ratterific
Ratterific
03/30/2008 7:14 PM  
It's so true--he can really tell the good people from the bad. He seems to warm up to these people more (and a bit quicker).
Ruth & Mr.B


Ratterific
Ratterific
03/30/2008 7:16 PM  
Oh, I definitely realize the responsibility of making sure he doesn't bite anyone, but that's why it's even more frustrating--if they just listened to what I said everyone would be fine.
lynnygal


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
03/31/2008 10:50 AM  
You know, when I read your post it was like reading what we have experienced with Daisy. The ONLY thing that has worked is if we tell people to totally ignore her and then she comes to them on her own.... She isn't aggresive, but she sure is leary of strangers. But we also have a couple of friends who just can't "ignore" her and they try to fuss over her and it backfires every single time.....so I hear you completely!

Lynn

--------------------- lynnygal ---------------------------------
Ruth & Mr.B


Ratterific
Ratterific
03/31/2008 6:04 PM  
It's good to hear you know what I'm going through!
Shadows Mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
03/31/2008 6:26 PM  
I have to include my two cents. Shadow does this same thing. He barks and snaps at people when they come over. I have told them to not look at her in the eye and to completely ignore him until HE wants to go to them. It is frustrating because they want to do this anyway and it is with only the male gender. He will play and like a female visitor. I have tried to put him in my bedroom, but he scratches on the door and barks and then my roomis a disaster. This morning a maintenance man came over and I put Shadow in my bedroom and left the bathroom door open but closed my door. when the man left, I went to let him out. He had went into the bathroom and torre up HIS loofa bath scrub I guess he told me. I wasn't mad cause it was my fault. He has a crate upstairs and one downstairs.... he was just venting.

Shadow's Mom

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