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myrateddie

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| 03/30/2008 8:48 AM |
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Well as some of you know I just got Eddie yesterday. Well twice now he has snapped at my son. In all honesty he deserved it and it was my fault lettig him get to rough. He never growls or acts aggressive even around food but he has snapped these two times. How do I correct this? i know I have to watch my son more closely of course and teach him how to be more gentle but I don't want him to accidently get bit in the face (both times the snaps appeared more like a warning than a bite attempt) but I'm afraid he'll get Mikey in the face by accident. Any help please I don't want this to escalate as he is such a wonderful dog. I don't blame him for not liking being bullied by a 2 1/2 year old but he needs to learn that snapping is not acceptable. |
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Heather Wife to Michael Mommy to skin kids Mikey and Alexandria Mommy to fur kids Eddie (RT), Indigo (my horse), and Joey (my beloved pony of 13 years) |
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rattytatty

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| 03/30/2008 8:53 AM |
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..........and the 2-1/2 year old needs to learn acceptable behavior also! I don't mean to sound harsh...but I've seen so much of this type of situation. Please remember that Eddie is in new surroundings... new environment... new people. He's adjusting and trying to make the transition the same as the humans are! Give him some space and some time to settle down. And please... PLEASE..be alert and do not allow your son to get in the dog's face. Most dogs DO growl before they bite. (It's a warning they give most times). If you cannot be around to supervise... then crate the dog to protect both your son and Eddie. They BOTH need your protection.
I highly suspect that when Eddie becomes more in tune with your lifestyle and his new surroundings, his behavior will improve. Until then.. please allow him that opportunity. |
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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rattytatty

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| 03/30/2008 8:58 AM |
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| Oh.... and after Eddie has been in your home for awhile, and if the situation doesn't improve... that's a whole different scenario to be addressed, and it can be addressed in a positive way. But now is not that time... not while he's still new to your home. To attempt 'correction' now would not be fair to him. |
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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myrateddie

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| 03/30/2008 9:17 AM |
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Ok, I stated that I need to teach my son acceptable behavior. I don't expect Eddie to tolerate roughness. I was there both times, my son is never left unsupervised with animals and I am not defending his actions. He was trying to give Eddie a hug but leaned on him too much which was my fault for not being quick enough. I am experienced with dogs but accidents do happen. I don't mean to get defensive but I don't want it to sound like my son is this spoiled little monster who is allowed to terrorize poor animals. My question is can this behavior be corrected if it occurs again? He has shown virtually no aggression at any other time so I don't think it's an aggression issue but don't want it to become one. My son is now not allowed to touch him without mommy and daddy holding his hand. I appreciate your advice and am not trying to sound like one of THOSE parents but please believe me when I say that my son is not allowed to pinch, push, pull, sit on, etc any dog. He has just gotten used to our big dog who wrestles with him, he doesn't quite understand the size difference. I love Eddie and am willing to do what it tkes to make him comfortable I have no intention of returning him, I just wanted some advice. Thank you I will heed yours and let you know how he does...Don't think I'm a b*&^% I just wanted to clarify the situation a bit  |
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Heather Wife to Michael Mommy to skin kids Mikey and Alexandria Mommy to fur kids Eddie (RT), Indigo (my horse), and Joey (my beloved pony of 13 years) |
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gwacie

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| 03/30/2008 9:29 AM |
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Remember Heather, Nora (our esteemed training mod) is going to be read by others who may not be as dog aware as you are so she has to state what to you may be obvious. You are doing the best thing by not letting your little boy interact with Eddie without you being there and being in control to manage things. It only takes a second for a toddler to harm or scare a dog by mistake and get bitten and that is tragic for all. Eddie will learn that your son is not trying to hurt him and that he can trust you to protect him but it takes some time. Meanwhile use the command GENTLE (or similar) for both (the fur and skin boys both) and help them learn to approach each other with slow gentle movements always. You are lucky, they are both about the same in terms of training levels right now (toddlers and young dogs) so the same lessons will apply to both. In another year or so your son will be further along in his development and you can explain this better to him, and by then Eddie will already be at home. Keep us posted . |
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gwacie (Bethany) http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 03/30/2008 9:34 AM |
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| Also, to a dog who hasn't been around small children, even the best behaved 2 or 3 year old can be very scary! I know that my dogs view small children as some of the most frightening things in the world having been chased by screeching children (strangers!) enough times. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
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myrateddie

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| 03/30/2008 9:40 AM |
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Gwacie,
Thank you! I din't mean to come across so defensive and understand your point. I know Nora is trying to help and I didn't put the situation very clearly in my op. Like I said I don't think he intends to bite or he would have done so. You basically stated what I tried to say, Mikey doesn't quite understand gentle. I take his hand and lightly pet Eddie and tell him "gentle". I hope it sinks in soon. I am just upset because I'm afraid of something bad happening . For the most part they interact very well together. They play ball forever. It's just when poor Eddie is trying to sleep that Mikey needs to learn to "let a sleeping dog lie " I will keep you all posted! |
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Heather Wife to Michael Mommy to skin kids Mikey and Alexandria Mommy to fur kids Eddie (RT), Indigo (my horse), and Joey (my beloved pony of 13 years) |
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rattytatty

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| 03/30/2008 12:40 PM |
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Heather, it's very difficult to offer advice when of course I can't be there and see what truly triggered Eddie's behavior. I read a paragraph that someone posts (and usually by the time they post something, they are in "crisis mode") and I usually respond in general terms because there are so many unknowns. I don't naturally assume that everyone has experience with dogs... or how much, if any, experience they DO have. So I usually start at ground zero, and assume more information is better than too little. I tend to be very matter-of-fact when it comes to training issues... and of course of UTMOST concern to me (and I'm sure to you too) is the safety of your son... as it should be. I've seen some kids really marred for life because of the way they approach a dog, and my cousin who is an ER doctor lost a patient a few months ago in Savannah, GA... a 5-year old boy with half his face gone as a result of a dog attack. So, I stand on the side of caution. I still contend that as time passes and Eddie becomes more familiar with his new *pack*, his surroundings and your lifestyle in general...he will adapt nicely. From what you said, he's not aggressive... which is a huge plus. I think he's still just trying to settle in and make the transition. A dog's space needs to be respected, and I know kids tend to not understand that, so of course, it's up to us to teach them. It's natural for a child to want to be on the floor with a dog, and play with them. After all, isn't that why so many people get dogs to begin with? One good thing you can do is have your son be the one to give the dog treats... small bits of hot dog or stringed cheese maybe... so they can begin creating their bond. Please know and rest assured that I will always try to give sound advice on the forum... but I am not perfect and certainly I do not expect every person to agree with my advice or methods. I don't think "one size fits all" in the world of training dogs. So much depends on the dog... the humans... the backgrounds of the humans and the dogs...environment, personalities, etc. Because of that... I try to keep things at a general level... I do wish you luck and we are here to help you should this problem occur again or you see that a pattern is developing. |
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 ~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ |
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myrateddie

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| 03/30/2008 1:00 PM |
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Nora,
You are right! I had to be reminded that you don't know my situation and I didn't really explain it very clearly I just am concerned for both of their well being. I don't want either of them in a bad situation. I think i expected too much this early on but I will be more patient and really watch my son. Eddie is very gentle and doesn't deserve to be frightened. I think eventually he will be less startled by quick movements and noise level. he seems to have adjusted quite well already. Mikey will not be able to interact with Eddie at all without our permission.. Thanks so much for your help and I will keep you posted! |
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Heather Wife to Michael Mommy to skin kids Mikey and Alexandria Mommy to fur kids Eddie (RT), Indigo (my horse), and Joey (my beloved pony of 13 years) |
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SYLVIA

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| 03/30/2008 2:27 PM |
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NORA IS CORRECT. I would not let your little boy hugging him yet. Just petting him and giving him treats. Some dogs just dont like to be hugged,especially being new. Most are leary of a toddler or small child. Just give him time. They will be best buddies if started of right. |
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myrateddie

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| 04/01/2008 8:59 PM |
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I just wanted to update Eddie's progress . After reading all the advice I decided that I unfairly expected too much too soon of Eddie. I have let him relax and have his space, which is my lap ! I have been very firm with my son, not allowing him to touch Eddie while he's sleeping. When he does pet Eddie I hold his hand and emphasize "gentle" and make him give Eddie treats. Eddie has not snapped since and has actually been playing with Mikey all day today. They chased each other around the house closely supervised of course! I think it will all be fine. I thank you all for your advice and support and will keep you posted... |
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Heather Wife to Michael Mommy to skin kids Mikey and Alexandria Mommy to fur kids Eddie (RT), Indigo (my horse), and Joey (my beloved pony of 13 years) |
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DaisysMom

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| 04/01/2008 9:03 PM |
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Great news! Keep up the good work and I'm sure with a little more time, things will be better and better  |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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tauney4

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| 04/01/2008 9:05 PM |
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| i cant help you but loooks to me lilke you are getting some great advice from others.. they are angels |
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myrateddie

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| 04/01/2008 9:07 PM |
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Thanks Tracey! Man Daisy is such a cutie! She and Eddie would almost be a matched pair if her ears were buttoned too lol  |
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Heather Wife to Michael Mommy to skin kids Mikey and Alexandria Mommy to fur kids Eddie (RT), Indigo (my horse), and Joey (my beloved pony of 13 years) |
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DaisysMom

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| 04/01/2008 9:13 PM |
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Thanks! Her ears stood pretty early and haven't dropped since. Does Eddie have a lot of ticking? |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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winnihoohoo

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| 04/01/2008 9:21 PM |
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| Back when I first got my schnoodle Amanda, from animall control, she was already 4 years old, and snapped at my Joshua. She was just trying to set boundaries with him, and I monitored her very closely, and they became best friends. They are together now in heaven... |
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myrateddie

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| 04/01/2008 10:34 PM |
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Tacey, No he doesn't have any! He is strictly white with back & tan spots. Is that considered piebald or tri-colored???
Donna, I am so sorry for your losses! I couldn't imagine losing a child . You will see them both again Thanks for your comments. You definitely made me feel better! |
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Heather Wife to Michael Mommy to skin kids Mikey and Alexandria Mommy to fur kids Eddie (RT), Indigo (my horse), and Joey (my beloved pony of 13 years) |
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DaisysMom

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| 04/02/2008 5:16 AM |
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Heather: He would be both tri-colored and piebald. One describes his coloring and the other (piebald) describes his pattern  |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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gwacie

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| 04/02/2008 6:20 AM |
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Great news Heather! Thanks for the updates.  |
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gwacie (Bethany) http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 04/02/2008 6:51 AM |
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| That's great news! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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