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agrover

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| 03/29/2008 3:59 PM |
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Hi all, I am new here. I have a question about my 41/2 month old Pom-a-rat named Jaidee. Actually, I have many questions, but for now, I will narrow it down to this one! She absolutely goes beserk if you even attempt to put a collar on her. My daughter takes it off for her to get her bath, but putting it back on is a nightmare. She snaps at ya and goes nuts!!! Today when she did it, I took her and laid her on her back and just held her out like that til she calmed down, I did manage to win and get the collar on her by doing it that way. She didnt snap at me when i put it on her with her on her back, but is this normal for Rats to act this way. I have a friend that has a full rat, and she said that it took a while for her dog to let them get the collar on...Putting a leash on her is a total nightmare, (i put gloves on). so she is completely pad trained. Does anyone have any suggestions??? |
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rattytatty

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| 03/29/2008 4:10 PM |
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A "Pom-a-Rat" ??? (interesting...) Get her attention with a treat... something yummy. Make her work for the treat while you put the collar on her. Leave the collar on her at all times... (preferrably a very lightweight, nylon collar). I truly don't advocate rolling a dog over on her back and forcing her to allow you to put the collar on her. There are much more positive approaches which long-term will be much more successful. |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 03/29/2008 4:15 PM |
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Welcome! I just wanted to add that I don't think this is "rattie trait". I've never had a problem with collars or leashes. I agree with Nora - associate the collar and leash with something positive instead of a traumatic event every time. Have you taken her to puppy classes? That might really help both of you. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org |
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agrover

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| 03/29/2008 4:22 PM |
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She's part pomeranian, and part rat terrier. I dont think I explained my self successfully, I didnt roll her over and force anything on her. I simply picked her up, and held her, but with her belly up. she was very calm, there was no forcing of anything whatsoever. I kept talking to her, and I had a friend in the room watching me. I slowly kept bringing the collar closer without her watching because she wouldnt look me in the face. The only time any aggression took place, is when she was just sitting on my lap, and I tried putting it on then. It was then that she tried going nuts snapping and biting at me. It was when I held her IN MY HANDS but belly facing up that she was calm. Sorry that I didnt clarify that in my first post, I NEVER USE AGGRESSION with Jaidee whatsoever. I just wanted to know if this is normal for this particular breed to respond to certain things this way. My vet told me that the obstinance that I get from Jaidee most likely is the Rat terrier in her.
I hope that I expressed myself better this time.
By the way, in the beginning I did try the treat and she wanted to chew on nothing whatsoever but my hand! The treat didnt work. |
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rattytatty

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| 03/29/2008 4:28 PM |
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Having worked with both.... I disagree with your vet. The obstinance/aggressiveness your dog is showing is more specific to the Pomeranian breed than the rat terrier breed, IMO. I'm certainly not discounting what your vet tells you... but unless you have experience in the training of the various breeds, I'm not sure he/she can say for sure. Regardless of what breed a dog is... he/she will exhibit very specific personality traits which sometimes are not breed specific. Much depends on the early days of life, socializations, training, environment, etc... |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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tiggarat

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| 03/29/2008 5:22 PM |
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my ratties can be a little stubborn at times, but overall, ratties are people pleasers and will try their best to do what you want them to do. I've never had a pomeranian, but they seem to be more nippy/yappy...sounds like the pom temperment is more prominant in your pup than the rattie temperment. JMO. I've never seen a pom-a-rat...could you post some pics of her? |
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Lisabeth
furbabies: Lucy and Molly (1 1/2 yr old decker ratties), and Rosie (3 yr old dobie) Buddy - gone but never forgotten.
"I don't think he has any idea he's a dog, really. Of course, he thinks he has a rather odd figure for a man" - Dodie Smith |
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rattytatty

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| 03/30/2008 8:38 AM |
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| I've never seen one either... would like to see a picture. I do know that the Pomeranian is considered to be the most independent of the toy breeds, and it's notorious (like dachshunds) for being difficult to house train. The ones I've worked with simply don't have the "desire to please" personality trait that ratties do. The Spitz breed are the same way, and Poms are of the Spitz family. Never in a million years would I have considered mixing the rat terrier and the Pomeranian... but I suppose people are mixing everything these days. Just think it would be good if people who are mixing these breeds could at least breed two together who have... generally speaking of course... similar personality traits. |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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agrover

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| 03/30/2008 8:47 PM |
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I will get a picture posted early this week. She is actually a pretty decent pet. At her last weigh in she was 5lbs 9 oz. She definitely has her own personality like no other dog I have ever had. She is completely potty trained, and crate trained. She is good when she wants to be good, and an atagonizer when she feels like it as well. She isnt very kid friendly in my opinion, so I would never recommend her mix to go to a family with small children. But seeing as how my youngest is 14 that is not a problem for me. But when I babysit every other week I have to keep her seperated from the girls I watch because she is a bit to hyper with them. Honestly, the only problem that I really have with her is the leash/collar problem. If she doesnt want to be bothered with she will let you know with no hesitation. If I was more educated on this type of dog, I probably wouldnt have gotten her to begin with. But now that I have her, I couldnt imagine ever NOT having her!
When I try to put the collar or leash on her, she starts going crazy and as my 16year old puts it, she becomes "possessed". Just goes absolutely nuts. I wear gloves now when I do it, because the first time I attempted without the gloves she drew blood when my finger got in the way of her tooth. Eventually she will come around though, because she is going to figure out as it gets nicer outside, that her only way outside is to be on a leash. |
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rattytatty

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| 03/30/2008 8:59 PM |
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Poms are notorious for not being good with kids... same as with dalmations. However, we all know there are exceptions to every rule, and I'm not one to usually stereotype dogs. There are good and bad in every breed.. and in every mix. But it is true that each breed has certain similarities/distinctions. If she's good for your family and your environment... then that's all that matters. Just stay assertive with her... let her know who's boss. There's very few dogs that won't try to get the upper hand if they are allowed to do so. Good luck! |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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tauney4

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| 03/30/2008 9:18 PM |
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| wow. jmop but trying using a squirt bottle on her when she does that!!!!! |
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Jules

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| 03/30/2008 9:30 PM |
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Posted By rattytatty on 03/29/2008 4:10 PM
A "Pom-a-Rat" ??? (interesting...)
Get her attention with a treat... something yummy. Make her work for the treat while you put the collar on her. Leave the collar on her at all times... (preferrably a very lightweight, nylon collar). I truly don't advocate rolling a dog over on her back and forcing her to allow you to put the collar on her. There are much more positive approaches which long-term will be much more successful.
Nora-Jamie's Amlet is a Pom-rat terrier.
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“Photography is about finding out what can happen in the frame. When you put four edges around some facts, you change those facts.” -Garry Winogrand
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SpaceCaveman

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| 03/30/2008 9:33 PM |
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A super soaker works too BTW my Dalmation was the best dog ever with the girls she mothered them and protected them. My rattie kane-o was her dog she has passed on and I will take care of him for the rest of his days. He is treated as the prince he is. |
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rattytatty

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| 03/30/2008 9:35 PM |
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Jules -- I didn't know that! Amlet is a pom-rat? I honestly have never heard of that mix before... Live & learn... |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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Jules

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| 03/30/2008 9:38 PM |
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| It was a fluke, he was the only one in his litter that looked like a mix of the two. |
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“Photography is about finding out what can happen in the frame. When you put four edges around some facts, you change those facts.” -Garry Winogrand
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amletpumpkin

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| 03/30/2008 9:48 PM |
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yep! amlet's dad was a pomeranian. its not necessarily a new breed or anything, just a mix that seems to be getting common. in some of his features you can tell, but he has a pretty strong rat terrier look. amlet is not aggressive at all, but he's a total scaredy dog, so thats why. i've never heard of poms being particularly aggressive, but I really have no idea. post pics of your baby, i love seeing pics of different rat/pom mixes |
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talatzkomom

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