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Chesters Poppa


Newbie
Newbie
03/27/2008 2:36 PM  

I recently (about 2 weekes ago) rescued a 5 month old rattie named Chester.  At first he had a very hard time adjusting.  Not only would he not eat or drink for several days, but he wouldn't even MOVE!  After a lot of TLC, he's now fairly comfortable in the house.  For the most part he'll follow me around when I'm doing housework, and he's at the point now where he's enjoying playing at night.

I wasn't expecting a dog, so I wasn't prepared before the first night I brought him home.  So that night I went to the store and bought a puppy bed, and he slept in the bedroom with my wife and I.  Since he was still petrified, he didn't move at all.  After a few nights, he actually got comfortable enough to move around and then potty near my side of the bed.  That's when we moved his bed to the kitchen, where we can close him off at night.  He's been doing fine there, and doesn't cry any more. 

At this time, I had not heard of crate training, so we've been putting puppy pads down in the kitchen for him at night.  He's been great about using these.  And I've been good about bringing him outside first thing after he eats, first thing in the morning, and whenever I can during the day.  He's about 50/50 on using the bathroom outside. 

He's a wonderful dog, who has really developed a sweet personality so far.  I think he was abused at his last home, because he frightens very easily (sometimes he refuses to walk around the house at all), when he does follow me--he stays behind me at all times (in fact if I turn to see him, he turns too, so that I still can't find him!!), when I put the leash on him, he refuses to move at all, etc.  The most troubling part is how he still freezes up, even when in the house.  (For example, if I'm on the couch with him, he's happy as can be, but if I get up and go sit on the floor in the middle of the room, he will not come to me.  He gets up like he wants to come, but he seems scared of the floor.  If I walk out of the room, he'll jump off and follow me, but as soon as I stop walking, he hauls tail back to the couch.) 

Now that you've got the background, here's my questions:

1.  Is it too late to crate train?  He's 5 mo old, and for the last two weeks he's been sleeping in a bed in the kitchen.  He's good with puppy pads, but I'm not at the point where I can let him roam the house alone (if he'd ever get off the couch!).  Also, crate training would be wonderful for us when we visit my wife's family.  Would crate training him now cause too much confusion?

2.  When I put the harness on him, he reverts back to "the amazing statue dog" and won't move at all.  If I do manage to get him moving, the leash is out of the question.  Everything I read says that you should let him walk around with the leash on til he gets used to it, but he refuses to budge.  I've started taking him outside and putting him down and walking til the leash is taunt.  Then I sit down and he runs (well, crouch-runs) to my lap.  I'll do this repeatedly to try and get him used to the leash and harness, but he refuses to walk with it.  Once I take them off, he's disturbed for a while, then eventually he acts like a normal dog again.  What should I do?

I've read most of the threads concerning training on here, but my questions are a little different because I honestly believe I'm dealing with an abused puppy.  He's opening up, and I don't want to ruin his growth right now by doing the wrong thing.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

 

Crystal


Ratastic
Ratastic
03/27/2008 2:42 PM  
Crate training is always a good thing there are forums in the training section to help with it as well as trainers with good advice to help you. With the harness and leash part try putting it on and giving small amounts of treats when you first put it on to show it is okay and when he does walk with you give constant praise and treats. He will get better with time, it just make take a little more than you had in mind.

Mom to Guenhwyvar, When life gets hard, take a long hot bath and enjoy knowing the door locks and your phone is on silent!!


Mitzy's Mom


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
03/27/2008 2:47 PM  

He may well have been abused but he's still young and hopefully can overcome a lot of that.

It's not too late for crate training and it's a good idea to do that....one of the reasons is the reason you state - traveling.  Once he gets used to the crate he'll also feel safe in there, it will be "his" place.

As far as the harness/leash....to start with I'd just let him wear the harness around the house...feed him some treats, praise him a lot....walk away a little and tempt him with a tasty treat of something he really likes.  Same when you put the leash on him to start with.  Just don't leave him alone with these on. JMO

Bless you for rescuing him!


Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom
www.ratbonerescues.com; www.newrattitude.org
Amy


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
03/27/2008 2:51 PM  

Welcome to RT.com! bless you for rescueing Chester. He is precious! We will all want more pictures! We love pictures here. I really have no training advice but wanted to welcome you. Sounds as though you have a wonderful heart and I am sure Chester will do just fine.


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DaisysMom


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03/27/2008 3:02 PM  
First: Bless you for taking him in, especially unexpectedly, and giving him such a great and loving home. Two weeks is not all that long. I foresee that it won't be long before he's an active, "normal" rattie

At about 5 months of age, a dog "should" be able to hold his bladder and bowel movements about 6 hours. When using a crate, get one for his final adult size, but block it off for now so that it's only large enough for him to turn around and lie down. Dogs do not like to potty where they must sleep so this will encourage him to "hold" it. You can pretty much use the crate training advice already listed under the training forum. The only difference being that you actually have more flexibility because at his age he has more control

Also try and keep it somewhere "permanent". My Daisy prefers her to be covered (except for the front), though other ratties prefer to see all around - you'll have to experiment with Chester (who is, btw, completely adorable!)

As for the harness, collar, leash problem...I would first try a collar rather than a harness, only because it appears he definitely has some issues, and a collar just covers less body area than a harness. Put the collar on him and then go about your business. Just act like nothing is wrong (which there isn't) and don't try and cajole or baby talk him into "feeling better about it". . . For treats to convince him to move and come to you, try something super-duper like cut up chicken hot dogs or string cheese (in small quantities) or just about anything else that he won't be able to resist (within reason, of course). Give the collar some time, then try attaching a very light weight and short piece of cord or string to it, and let him adjust to that. It doesn't have to be at first something you'd actually want or use to walk him, but rather just to help him adjust to the feeling.

I really do think that what's most going to be required here is a little more patience and time. Dogs do not live in the past (as Caesar would say) and he will soon realize that all is well and good now with you and he will come out of his shell I'm sure some of our members who've had many of the same frustrations will post that they had similar experiences and now their ratties are as crazy as anyone else's.

Keep us posted. Always ask any questions you like (or jump on in anywhere here) and WE MUST HAVE LOTS OF PICS

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

The Animal Rescue Site


justan0therjess


Newbie
Newbie
03/27/2008 3:22 PM  
i have a pup thats a bit younger but she was somewhat like this for the first few days that i had her, if i bent down to pet her, she would jump and crouch like i was about to hit her... eventually she stopped this, she also was OBSESSED with the couch (still is) but she would sit on the couch and if i walked out of the room she would whine until i came back... eventually she figured out that she could follow me. she still loves to lay on the couch, im not sure why. she wouldn't walk on the leash either, she did the statue thing for the first week. again, time fixed this, now she doesnt have a problem walking on it..

so just hang in there, itll get better!
PamWh


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
03/27/2008 3:41 PM  

Welcome!  Tracey has given you some good advice. 

I just wonder, do you have a booming voice?  Some men do and don't realize it.  A friend of ours does and his cat was terrified when they first got it.  But it got used to our friend's deep voice and loudness of talking.


PamWh
aka Bob's Mom

If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!
Chesters Poppa


Newbie
Newbie
03/27/2008 4:24 PM  
Thanks to everyone. I'm going to work on these things asap. And I'll put up some more pictures as soon as I get the chance. Thank you to you all for taking the time to answer this, and I'll keep you posted on his progress. His is an adorable puppy, and he's made great strides already with the love we've given him. And regarding my voice--I don't think that's it, as I'm very aware of my voice. But I'll keep that in mind just in case!

Thanks again, and I'll keep y'all posted.
Tinkerbelle's Mommy


Ratastic
Ratastic
03/27/2008 4:40 PM  

Chester is so adorable!  I'm sure it will all work out.  My puppy hated the crate at first, so I would leave the door open and put it in a room that I was in...with a treat in it.  She started getting more comfortable and now she goes in all the time without crying.  I usually do throw a treat in.  She has her comfy bed in the crate and there is a little bit of room in the front, but that is usally where she keeps some toys.  We keep Tinkerbelle's crate in our bedroom and if she is really hogging the bed or if we just need some couple time without the dog, she will just go right in.  But, she still loves to sleep with us the best.

One word of caution with the pee pads.  Tinkerbelle started peeing on all of my throw rugs and door mats.  I think she got them confused with the pee pads, so I had to pick up all of the pads and rugs and strictly train her to only pee outside. 

Good Luck and thank you for rescuing such a little sweetheart.  Oh and my dog loves my couch also.  Maybe rat terriers are just a bunch of couch potatoes!

gwacie


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
03/27/2008 4:44 PM  
Hiya. I haven't read all the posts, just yours so some of this may be repeat info.

We took in the Peanut at 8 months old. He had never been socialized and was terrified of all things, didn't know how to walk on a leash (would freeze like yours is), would run away or cower if anyone was walking around near him and etc. It's been about a month I guess and he's come a long way but is still a bit leary about walking/standing people. He will come when called now but won't allow himself to be caught yet, however he's the first one in your lap if you are sitting down. It took longer for him to warm to my hubby, both cuz he's a big booming fellow and because I spend the time all day with the dogs and tend most of their needs (food/potty etc). It is helpful that I have other dogs here that have shown Peanut the ropes on potty and behavior in many ways. Using lots of treats didn't work at first because he was too terrified to even eat them. But we did and do continue to give him lots of praise without babying him when he shows confidence.

Things that have helped - for the leash we started with a flexi lead which allowed him to be leashed but have relatively unrestricted movements. It only took 2 days before he was comfortable with a leash of this type then we moved to a traditional latigo lead.

As he has grown in confidence I have been setting up little things for him to conquor - anything from "hiding" a toy somewhere new and scary (like over there under that chair that rolls sometimes etc). In the beginning I hand fed him his entire meals so he got used to knowing food came from me. Recently I convinced hubby to take over some feeding and while not hand feeding him everything Peanut is starting to relax more around hubby too and goes to him when he's on the couch and I'm busy.

Anyway, sounds like we are going through similar things and we are just ahead of you on the schedule so feel free to contact me if you have questions and I'll let you know what has worked for us. Oh and be warned, once this little dog bonds with you he will steal your heart completely.

Where did he come from, did you say? I missed that in your post if you did. Oh and welcome!

gwacie (Bethany)
http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
03/28/2008 8:56 AM  
I've read what the others forum members have written, and feel you've been given good advice. We've got some great people here who have had various experiences... several similar to what you are going through.

I highly agree that you should discard the harness and try a very thin, lightweight nylon collar. At first there will probably be a lot of scratching and Chester might even shut down. But don't take it off. I promise he will learn to deal with it, but it may take a few days or maybe longer. Please try not to get disallusioned. I agree it sounds like this little guy came with some "baggage".

Thank you for adopting. Chester is young and you have the opportunity to turn him around. Whatever happened to him is probably engrained at this point and sometimes depending on the situation, the results of emotional or physical abuse can never be totally wiped out. But with patience, consistence and diligence on your part... you can pull him out of his shell.

We're here to help you... please stay in touch!


~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, NA, NAJ
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