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Ruth & Mr.B


Ratterific
Ratterific
03/16/2008 7:46 PM  

Hi!

I have read with great interest all the posts about crate training and how it's such a useful aid in other aspects of training (potty training, etc.) I have to say I was not familiar with the concept before moving to the US--I grew up in England and, 10 years ago at least, crate training was practically unheard of.

I adopted my little guy over a year ago and have not crate trained him. I may have done so if he were not so well-behaved--he is house-trained, stays alone exceptionally (just sleeps the whole time), does not chew ANYTHING (except a kong, but still only when there are treats in there!), etc. He is also older--around 8 to 10 (which probably accounts for all this laid-back behavior)--and I didn't know if he'd ever been introduced to a crate before I got him. I didn't want to freak him out by having him come to a new home and be introduced to a new concept later on in life (maybe the age thing doesn't matter, but anyway, that's how I felt!) He has many beds and areas away from the "action" (there's not much!) of the household so he has his own spot to go to and feel safe in (from what I understand, that is a very important aspect of the crate).

Anyway, my question is: What are people's individual thoughts (or the prevailing opinion) on the necessity of crate training for a dog such as mine? Did I do him a disservice by not crate training, and what should I advise my friend who has just adopted a similar dog (older, no obvious training issues)? Could it even be considered detrimental to try to crate train an older dog who may never have seen a crate? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

 

- Ruth & Mr.B

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03/16/2008 7:58 PM  
I think this is a personal decision that each of us must make for ourselves. I ALWAYS advise crate training puppies... or young adults... but in the scenario you are describing, I'm thinking if you are ok with the way things are... then don't "fix" what's not "broken". The dog is obviously fitting in well with your lifestyle...so if I were you, I'd just be happy about that and be content with the way things are.... just my opinion.

~Nora~
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Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
03/16/2008 8:16 PM  
I didn't really like the idea of putting my puppy in a crate. AT FIRST. I wanted the well-behaved non destructive little dog that you have been blessed with. LOL I had to crate Amos for his OWN safety.(to keep my family from killing him for tearing up stuff!) Now the crate is HIS sanctuary. But I agree that changing his life style at this age, probably isn't necessary

Kim, owned by one sweet Rattie mix and one sweet Toy Rattie and a house full of parrots
Ruth & Mr.B


Ratterific
Ratterific
03/16/2008 8:29 PM  
Thanks for the quick responses! That's kind of what I figured--don't fix what isn't broken, but it's good to hear it from someone else, too. Kim: Amos is so cute--you don't by any chance live in NYC, do you? I swear I've seen Amos walking around Greenwich Village. If not, then it must be his twin!
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
03/17/2008 9:13 AM  

Since your guy is so well behaved I wouldn't put him through crate training now...JMO.  Mine aren't crated during the day. 

I will say that crate training comes in handy for things like house training a new puppy and keeping them safe from household hazards.  Also, if you ever need to restrict your dog's activity it's very handy.  I've got a little guy with a herniated disk and when it first acted up we had to crate him most of the time to keep him from playing, running, jumping, etc. so that he would recover quicker. 

All that to say that if you ever get another dog you may want to consider the crate training.  JMO


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03/17/2008 9:24 AM  
I agree with everyone else that it certainly doesn't sound necessary at this point. However, I don't think it would be detrimental for either you or your friend to at least perhaps buy a crate and set it up so it's really comfy and cozy and maybe hide occasional treats in it, or let them eat a special treat in it, like a bully stick witht he door closed. I only say this because it might be helpful should (as MB pointed out) the dog ever be in the situation where he or she must be crated - for restriction at home or at the vet's, for instance. I think never having seen or been introduced to a crate would make this scenario really stressful. Whereas, if they are at least familiar with the concept, it should lessen any anxiety.

Hope that made sense. I guess what I'm trying to say is it sounds as if in your case, it isn't necessary at this point to train the dog to be in the crate all day while you're gone, it would, at least in my opinion, be a good idea to get him used to it for at least short periods of time, just in case.

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

Ruth & Mr.B


Ratterific
Ratterific
03/17/2008 8:22 PM  
thank you all. i like the idea of getting him used to the concept just in case he needs to be confined for medical reasons. anyway, thanks again!
buttonbutt


Newbie
Newbie
03/17/2008 9:09 PM  

Though crate training can teach a dog to hold their bodily eliminations a bit longer, that is not actually why I like to crate train.  I like my dogs to be crated for car traveling & when visiting other people's houses overnight.  Sometimes the vet says to confine for recoooperation after surgery or injuries.    Sometimes you need to board them, confine them in a motel or the vet needs to keep them overnight.  If you wait to introduce crates later, the dogs often perceive them as punishment.  So I start from day one teaching my puppies to sleep in their crate at night so they think of the crate as "their little palace".  Then when they must be confined for whatever reason they don't freak out.  The crate actually helps Button settle right down & go to sleep in the car when we take her on a long  trips.  The potty training facilitation is just a "fringe benefit" in my honest opinions, but it is very effective for potty training.

buttonbutt


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03/17/2008 9:11 PM  

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