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spence9118


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
03/11/2008 2:06 PM  

Charlie has a very big mouth. He barks and barks and barks at everyone! Anytime the doorbell rings or if they knock he goes barkining crazy. He also has to bark at every male he sees at the dog park. We tried the rattle can thing and he compleatly ignored it. We also trid the spray bottle but this didnt work very well either as he just runs away if he sees the water bottle and contiunes to bark.

Is there anything else we could try. We are taking Tucker to an odedience class starting next month and I will probably see if she could reccomend anything, we may have to have her do a few private training sessions too.


Erica- Charlie and Tucker's Mommy

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swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
03/11/2008 2:25 PM  
I would like some ideas too! Jeter is my barker, Jack is very quiet. If only Jeter would take Jack's lead! LOL

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



Cyrus2007


Newbie
Newbie
03/11/2008 3:40 PM  
Cyrus does the same thing. I don't know what to do anymore. I don't really have time for obedience classes, and have been able to teach him everything else on my own, but the barking is uncontrollable. Even if it's a doorbell on TV he goes NUTS. And since we live in an apartment, his barking is kind of bad. He'll eventually warm up to people...some people. But yeah, if anyone has and advice besides just accepting the fact that he's just that way...I'm out of ideas
wmars1776


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
03/11/2008 3:50 PM  

Wow - I finally get a chance to read about a problem I had and fixed!!! Smokey used to bark at everything right after we first got him. It was easier for me to do this because I always had bits of treats in my pocket. Every time he would start, I would tell him sternly "no bark" and repeat it until he stopped. then I gave him a treat. Now, he rarely does this. Sometimes he is in the bedroom with Bandit and for no reason at all he starts to bark. Now, he can't see me but I say "no bark" and he stops and comes running for a treat. Try this, It worked for me and I must have read this in here somewhere.


Bill - "Smokey's" Dad
Cumberland, Rhode Island

"To everything, there is a season"
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Lucy's Colleen


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
03/11/2008 3:53 PM  
I did the kind of cop out method with Lucy. I put a citronella bark collar on her until she learned to not bark at everything.

Colleen

Flickr account:
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swedishfish5


Ratastic
Ratastic
03/11/2008 3:53 PM  
I am going to try this with my Macie.....

I have a similar problem with Kami but its not barking its whining... like if my boyfriend goes outside and she's inside she starts whining... or if macie is on the bed and she's sitting with my on the couch she starts whining again... it is VERY annoying and I have no idea how to make her stop... I tell her 'NO BARK' but that does no good..

Mommy to KAMI and MACIE
spence9118


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
03/11/2008 4:01 PM  
Charlie has the whinning problem too! And Tucker is starting to do it too! Im thinking about getting one of those no bark collars but I have no clue which one to get....

Colleen...What one did you use for Lucy?

Erica- Charlie and Tucker's Mommy

www.myspace.com/ricka9118

swedishfish5


Ratastic
Ratastic
03/11/2008 4:07 PM  
Would the no bark collar work for whining too?

We have a shock collar for Macie in the summer time when we play (we only use the noise button on that tho, I've never actually had to shock her) and that works really well, i've thought about putting it on Kami to stop her whining..

Mommy to KAMI and MACIE
spence9118


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
03/11/2008 4:18 PM  
I found some collars on ebay that are really cheap but Im not sure if they really work its not a shock it just has a high pitched noise. Well I might just buy one and see if it works. If it doesnt oh well it didnt cost that much money.

Erica- Charlie and Tucker's Mommy

www.myspace.com/ricka9118

Lucy's Colleen


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
03/11/2008 4:32 PM  

I used one that shot citronella in her face when she bark. She was barking in her kennel when I was not home. www.muttmart.com/CitronellaBarkCollar.html


Colleen

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amletpumpkin


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
03/11/2008 5:01 PM  
amlet is a whiner....both are barkers though!
we live in an apt too, so its getting out of control. our trainer and petsmart showed us this little thing that you can just set on a table top or by the door, wherever they bark, and it lets off a noise that is just high pitch enough that they hate it. she tried it out on amlet. he was barking at some kids outside the training arena and she turned the device on, he stopped and kind of sunk down. i want to get one. they are around 40 bucks, but its worth it especially if you have two barkers.
Zoedog


Rattie
Rattie
03/11/2008 7:29 PM  
I have one of those boxes that you sit on a table. Right now there are 5 dogs in this house that bark at everything. It lets off a high pitch noise that dogs aren't suppose to like. Well......it doesn't phase them one bit! And even though I can't hear the noise it lights up so I know its working. Maybe it would work better with just 1 or 2 dogs.
braeli_bryson


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
03/12/2008 7:35 AM  
my babies bark at people, cars, etc... but are just vocal... otherwise totally friendly!

"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"

gianni_mahopac, ny
bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
tford6


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
03/12/2008 7:52 AM  
That is what my girls do when I take them to school to get my kids. They sit there and bark at everyone and everything.

Terri- mom to Abby Bella and Chloe the girls
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
03/12/2008 8:04 AM  

Training one dog to not bark is very accomplishable... but remember you are asking the dog to do something that comes totally natural to him... so you need to be aware upfront that teaching a dog not to bark can indeed be a challenge. I think it's important to understand that barking is COMMUNICATION to a dog. It ALWAYS means something, despite the fact that we humans usually don't know what it means.

Barking is arguably the most obnoxious doggie behavior and is definitely the most difficult to fix. Since dogs bark for different reasons and in response to varying stimuli, it can be difficult to pinpoint the exact problem. However, you should know that it is possible to teach your dog not to bark, as long as you have patience and the desire to stop the behavior.

You have to break the training down into something "handle-able" -- in other words -- just hollering "shut up" won't do anything and you can do it all day long (I have YET to teach my husband this! LOL) . Not even saying "no bark" means anything ... YET. Until you TEACH what you want done they just are not going to get it. Some of this will become more clear... but realize for now that you can't hold them accountable to doing something until you really make them understand it.

Yelling does nothing except make the dog more prone to bark.

You can teach the "quiet" (or "no bark" is the one I use) command the way Bill described... it works. Or.. you can use the squirt bottle method which works too. Many of the training options for teaching a dog to stop barking are corrective in nature. This is because this is one of the easiest ways to teach this behavior. With this type of training the owner waits until the dog begins to bark and then takes a corrective measure (such as squirting him with a water bottle). This correction is intended to be uncomfortable and unappealing to the dog in an effort to help the dog make the association between barking and this uncomfortable consequence. Once this association is made the dog will be less inclined to bark because he will not want to experience the undesired consequence. The use of loud noises and bark collars are two popular methods used to deter a dog from barking.

Please remember that if you do decide to go with a negative correction such as a squirt bottle or jerk of the leash.... plase always offset that correction with a positive... such as a yummy treat combined with lots of praise.

I taught Bailey the "no bark" command with the use of treats, and it took a LONG time (over a year of consistency). However, when he's with the other three dogs and they start barking... he barks too and it's pretty impossible to get them to all stop at once. They feed off each other's energy and the adrenaline starts flowing ... and that's when hubby starts yelling "SHUT UP!" haha (and that doesn't work).

Good luck !!


~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
WcolsOH


Rattie
Rattie
03/12/2008 8:11 AM  

I just had to add my two-cents worth!  Whenever the NBC chime goes off for the weather (on TV), Molly barks!  I think she thinks it's the doorbell. LOL  But, yes, she does bark at unexpected noises.  So far, it hasn't gotten out of hand.  Yet, I think the "NO BARK" command would work though, if used consistently and following it up with a treat.

gwacie


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
03/12/2008 8:17 AM  
LOL yelling "shut up" won't work cuz as far as the dogs are concerned you are just barking too. You've proven that they are barking for a good reason by joining in! I have one who is an active barker. Any time she sees, well, anything outside she is off. She will sit and squint through half shut blinds just hoping to catch a glimpse of *something*. In her case I simply redirect her activity and she knows "enough" as a command for no bark. When they ALL get going I usually just get up, check what caused the barking outbreak, tell them all is fine and they stop. It's like as soon as I check whatever the offending issue (someone on the sidewalk, a cat in the yard) and dismiss it as nothing they can all stop the alert mode.


gwacie (Bethany)
My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
Rescue: http://www.newrattitude.org
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
03/12/2008 8:19 AM  

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... the doorbell cuprit! So familiar to all of us! haha
Yes... the "no bark" command does work when properly and consistently trained AND reinforced.
One other key to success is not asking the dog not to bark in situations where you know you're inviting failure. For example.. at least during the training period... if you are walking outside and your dog meets a stranger and starts barking, it's fine to attempt to calm the dog down with treats... or divert the dog's attention to something else if possible...but to actually expect your dog to totall shut up is asking a lot, and you will more than likely be doomed for failure. In ALL training... don't invite your dog to fail. Dogs don't fail... we humans do by asking them to do things they simply can't do. Make sure the command is engrained and THEN expect the dog to respond appropriately... but not until then.


~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
braeli_bryson


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
03/12/2008 10:07 AM  
can't a dog just be a dog?
i agree with behavioral training... SIT, COME, HEEL, etc etc... but NO BARKING?! My dogs are farirly quiet... but they still bark at things... and yes for me it can sometimes be embarrassing in public or annoyiing to me/others... but what if you didnt speak and when you did people told you to be quiet and not speak?!
there has to be some traits that we need to accept with dogs instead of CONTROLLING every natural aspect of them! am I alone in thinking this way?

"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"

gianni_mahopac, ny
bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
gwacie


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
03/12/2008 10:24 AM  
So do you let your children run around screaming and acting out in all situations too? Some barking is of course normal but there is barking and then there is....well excessive barking!

gwacie (Bethany)
My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/
Rescue: http://www.newrattitude.org
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
03/12/2008 10:48 AM  
Posted By braeli_bryson on 03/12/2008 10:07 AM
can't a dog just be a dog?
i agree with behavioral training... SIT, COME, HEEL, etc etc... but NO BARKING?! My dogs are farirly quiet... but they still bark at things... and yes for me it can sometimes be embarrassing in public or annoyiing to me/others... but what if you didnt speak and when you did people told you to be quiet and not speak?!
there has to be some traits that we need to accept with dogs instead of CONTROLLING every natural aspect of them! am I alone in thinking this way?



Sometimes it is necessary in order even to keep the dog.  For example, if a dog is barking excessively when you aren't home and you live in an apartment...others may complain and  you may be asked to get rid of the dog or move.  In a case like that you do what is necessary, like Colleen with the citronella collar, to protect your dog.  Make sense?


Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
braeli_bryson


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
03/12/2008 12:11 PM  

Posted By gwacie on 03/12/2008 10:24 AM
So do you let your children run around screaming and acting out in all situations too? Some barking is of course normal but there is barking and then there is....well excessive barking!

well kids are NOT animals. even though we (myself included) treat dogs like humans they just are not. all i am saying is some things are expected and should be expected thats all. this doesnt seem to me as excessive barking. poor dog barks at the door bell, knocking and at men at the dog park... id would be more concerned as to why he is barking at MEN only... there seems to be an issue there. but a few barks never hurt anyone. bites i would be concerned.

Posted By Mitzy's Mom on 03/12/2008 10:48 AM
Sometimes it is necessary in order even to keep the dog.  For example, if a dog is barking excessively when you aren't home and you live in an apartment...others may complain and  you may be asked to get rid of the dog or move.  In a case like that you do what is necessary, like Colleen with the citronella collar, to protect your dog.  Make sense?

absolutely. there is circumstance for everything. but that isnt the issue here. there are stimuli that start the barking. its not an anxiety that is causing the dog to bark ALL DAY... its a doorbell, a knock, a stranger. to me... this is normal. i am not concerned when my babies bark at people that are walking by my house. DOG = BARK. CAT = MEOW. if you have a cat that meows do you train it NOT TO? granted its less noisy (at least some cats)... or what about a PARROT? and they are LOUD! Its what they do.

food for thought.


"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"

gianni_mahopac, ny
bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
03/12/2008 12:27 PM  
Agreed. I don't try to stop my dogs from barking at someone arriving at the house, etc. You're right about letting dogs be dogs.

It's also difficult to stop 4 dogs from barking at say, the cat who runs through the house. Because barking seems to be contagious and when we got Skipper, who is a major barker, they others started barking more. If you were to drive up to my house and get out of your car you would swear you had arrived at a boarding kennel!!

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
braeli_bryson


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
03/12/2008 12:59 PM  
Posted By Mitzy's Mom on 03/12/2008 12:27 PM
Agreed. I don't try to stop my dogs from barking at someone arriving at the house, etc. You're right about letting dogs be dogs.

It's also difficult to stop 4 dogs from barking at say, the cat who runs through the house. Because barking seems to be contagious and when we got Skipper, who is a major barker, they others started barking more. If you were to drive up to my house and get out of your car you would swear you had arrived at a boarding kennel!!



i could only imagine... i have 2 and that is enough for me!


"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"

gianni_mahopac, ny
bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
03/12/2008 4:14 PM  
I think it depends on the household... the people involved... what the expectations are of the owners. I don't think every dog needs to be a highly trained, precision-tuned robot. But I think discipline needs to be in place and dogs do need to adapt to the expectations of their environment.

There are times when I just let my dogs run free and let them "be dogs" and I love those times. But there are other times when I expect them to be disciplined and adapt to MY surroundings and MY lifestyle. If we humans didn't want that... we may as well allow them to remain wild. What one person picks and chooses for their dogs to do or not do... is up to that person. Someone down the road might care if a dog barks constantly, and it may not bother another person at all. It totally depends on what the human's expectations are for his/her pet.

Leave a dog who suffers from true separation anxiety alone in an apartment while you are at work and have the dog yelp, bark and whine all day and come home to see how many neighbors have complained to the point of asking you to move (generic scenario... ) Then tell me some training/desensitizing isn't necessary.

~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
braeli_bryson


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
03/13/2008 7:48 AM  
Posted By rattytatty on 03/12/2008 4:14 PM
I think it depends on the household... the people involved... what the expectations are of the owners. I don't think every dog needs to be a highly trained, precision-tuned robot. But I think discipline needs to be in place and dogs do need to adapt to the expectations of their environment.

There are times when I just let my dogs run free and let them "be dogs" and I love those times. But there are other times when I expect them to be disciplined and adapt to MY surroundings and MY lifestyle. If we humans didn't want that... we may as well allow them to remain wild. What one person picks and chooses for their dogs to do or not do... is up to that person. Someone down the road might care if a dog barks constantly, and it may not bother another person at all. It totally depends on what the human's expectations are for his/her pet.

Leave a dog who suffers from true separation anxiety alone in an apartment while you are at work and have the dog yelp, bark and whine all day and come home to see how many neighbors have complained to the point of asking you to move (generic scenario... ) Then tell me some training/desensitizing isn't necessary.



well said.


"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"

gianni_mahopac, ny
bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
03/13/2008 7:57 AM  
As we train our dogs, we need to remember that wild canines do a number of things on a day-to-day basis that help them to survive. Wild canines naturally dig holes for protection. This may be to cool their bodies on hot days or make dens in which to whelp and raise their litters. They bark at intruders to warn other group members of a potential danger, or at other times, to signal their own location. They use their stool and urine as territorial-marking devices to show that the space contained within these boundaries is an area they possess. The things I have described here are those that make a wild canine an effective being. These behaviors come quite naturally for the animal. However, many of these behaviors we try to eliminate in domestic dogs through training. Many things that wild dogs do in their day-to-day existence are unacceptable to us if they are going to be a part of our home and family. We don't want them digging up our yard. We don't want them to mark their territory inside our homes with urine or stool. We don't want them to bark excessively. We don't want them jumping up on us, etc., etc., etc. Knowing these behaviors are natural for canines will help us better understand our dogs and provide better alternatives for these potentially problematic behaviors. Using positive reinforcement and other good training skills we can mold these behaviors into ones that are more acceptable to us.


~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
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