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tford6


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
02/25/2008 8:32 AM  

We are having problems with the girls again

1. Bella is taking food out of everybody's hands you can be sitting or standing she doesn't care how she gets it as long as she can gets it How can I stop this behavior? It's driving me and hubby nuts!!!!!

2. Abby is a chewer she grabs everything and eats it we even sprayed bitter apple and she goes back and chews again i have lost 2 scrapbooks this weekend hope she liked the pictures.

Any advice would help they are in their crates right now because bella just took my son's poptart out of his hand and ate it .


Terri- mom to Abby Bella and Chloe the girls
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
02/25/2008 8:49 AM  
.........and that's where he SHOULD be, Terri. (in his crate) Put him in his crate when you are eating, as children aren't as good about keeping food out of the dog's mouth as adults are.

How old is Bella?

~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
02/25/2008 8:58 AM  

Just a question Nora.  You say crate them when the kids are eating, but in my house SOMEONE is always eating something out of the 4 kids, so really crating is not feasible.  I don't take my eyes off them but they act the same way as Bella, little theives that are never fed so they are starving!  


Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
02/25/2008 9:11 AM  
Posted By swatson6 on 02/25/2008 8:58 AM

Just a question Nora.  You say crate them when the kids are eating, but in my house SOMEONE is always eating something out of the 4 kids, so really crating is not feasible.  I don't take my eyes off them but they act the same way as Bella, little theives that are never fed so they are starving!  


You have to find something that works for your household.  It is usually recommended that when a family sits down for a meal that a dog be crated... especially in the beginning so that the dog learns the boundaries.  Your best bet is to deny your dog access to the kitchen or areas where food will be.... or at least limit the areas where the kids eat.  If they eat in locations all over the house... how can a dog learn any boundaries? 

If this simply isn't accomplishable... set up a situation to tempt the dog as as he is about to pounce  you correct him. Keep the food in front of him and make him sit and stay. If he pounces, again correct him. You just have to keep at it, the dog will learn then that he can only eat what is given to him and he just cant take it whenever he feels like it.You have to own the piece of food.  Catching the dog in the act is vital.  It's common knowledge that you have 3 seconds to punish a dog for what it has done, after that forget it, or it thinks it is been punished for that very last thing he has done , which could be just simply sitting.  

If crating is not an option... then teaching your dog good manners has to be an option.  Otherwise, your dogs will feel they have a "right" to food that anyone is eating, and that will include visitors.  I realize the whole hectic toddler life... and Sarah I know you have your hands full with four children and two ratties... so I do understand.  But as with anything else... it takes training... training in a way that fits in with YOUR household works for you.


~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
Spanky's Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
02/25/2008 9:22 AM  
Terri,
First thing I would teach them the word NO! and any time you can not be right there watching them, crate them. This will only be a temporary solution, if they never learn any discipline they will never know what is off limits.
Set Bella up with things in your hand, when she goes to jump up to grab it firmly tell her NO! Make her sit & "wait" for her treat, when she does then & only then give her the treat, if she jumps up to grab it tell her NO! and repeat the "wait" command, when she does sit & "wait" for her treat then praise her up & give her the treat BUT, do NOT let her jump up to get it, only give it to her when she is in the sitting position.
With Abby, keep things picked up, make sure you rotate her toys so she doesn't get board with the same ones all the time, the NO! word also goes for her...you are going to have to inforce a positive NO! in to their volcabulary.
One thing I would do for now until they have the NO! in their vocabulary is when anyone is eating or doing other things where they(the dogs) can not totally be supervised would be to crate both of them automatically.

When you own a Rattie....you KNOW you are in your right mind

THE MEANING OF RESCUE

Now that I'm home, bathed, settled and fed,
All nicely tucked in my warm new bed.
I'd like to open my baggage
Lest I forget,
There is so much to carry -
So much to regret.
Hmm... Yes there it is, right on the top
Let's unpack Loneliness, Heartache and Loss,
And there by my leash hides Fear and Shame.
As I look on these things I tried so hard to leave -
I still have to unpack my baggage called Pain.
I loved them, the others, the ones who left me,
But I wasn't good enough - for they didn't want me.
Will you add to my baggage?
Will you help me unpack?
Or will you just look at my things -
And take me right back?
Do you have the time to help me unpack?
To put away my baggage,
To never repack?
I pray that you do - I'm so tired you see,
But I do come with baggage -
Will you still want me?
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
02/25/2008 9:22 AM  
Thanks Nora! That all makes sense. I just need to work on that more. Jack was like that before we got Jeter and he taught his tricks to him. They are generally good, but occasionally get carried away.

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
02/25/2008 9:24 AM  
You will also need to teach the "LEAVE IT" command... it works for not only food but for ANYthing you want your dog to back away from!

~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
02/25/2008 9:33 AM  
They do know that, you just have to keep saying it. They leave it and then try again in 30 seconds! lol

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



Amy


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
02/25/2008 10:17 AM  

Somehow we managed to teach Yaz that when someone is at the table, her paws cannot cross from carpet to linoleum. We are a family of 5 so we also seem to always have someone eating. Before Yaz we would eat wherever so having her has taught us good habits as well. Since she is a terrier(terror) she still tries to sneak in. We just snap our fingers and point to the living room and she backs up 'til her paws hit carpet. As far as chewing goes I have no words of wisdom except yeah keeping things picked up as much as possible and limiting access to rooms. I once had a dog that was an awful chewer. She would chew anything. Then one day, snap, just like that, she stopped.


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tford6


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
02/25/2008 12:10 PM  
i have to agree with Sarah my little boy is 4 he takes till 12 to eat one pop tart. So the crate can only work at dinner and lunch time my hubby tells them crate and they go and sit at the door looking pitful.But they will get over it .As for the No command they both know it they are just like my kids and don't care they will go away and then come back and try again. Bella is 6 months old Nora. Like I have said before we are still having potty issues with her too. We take her out and she will pee then we bring her in a few minutes later she will stop right in front of us and pee in the floor.We take her for long walks and they never potty you bring them in and surpise they do it in the floor. These two are going to drive me grey before my time.

Terri- mom to Abby Bella and Chloe the girls
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
02/25/2008 12:23 PM  
Terri at this point I would potty first then walk. Or if you have to limit all outdoors to just potty time right now until she is more reliable.

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
02/26/2008 5:57 AM  
Nora, this is kind of related to this thread...but I am curious...I have heard a few people use the "THATS MINE" "THATS YOURS" commands....
are those even commands? Have you ever heard of them? Do specific words matter or you can use whatever works for your family? "Thats mine" seems similar to "leave it!"
I dunno, just curious!

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
Ratbone Rescues Database Manager
and Applications Coordinator

rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
02/26/2008 12:49 PM  
Posted By Amy on 02/25/2008 10:17 AM

Somehow we managed to teach Yaz that when someone is at the table, her paws cannot cross from carpet to linoleum. We are a family of 5 so we also seem to always have someone eating. Before Yaz we would eat wherever so having her has taught us good habits as well. Since she is a terrier(terror) she still tries to sneak in. We just snap our fingers and point to the living room and she backs up 'til her paws hit carpet. As far as chewing goes I have no words of wisdom except yeah keeping things picked up as much as possible and limiting access to rooms. I once had a dog that was an awful chewer. She would chew anything. Then one day, snap, just like that, she stopped.


I taught my four dogs that too, Amy.  When we are sitting at the table, they do not cross over from the carpet to the ceramic tile.  It's really easy to teach because it's a VISUAL thing to teach.  They can actually SEE what they are supposed to do.

However, when you have toddlers and they tend to eat in all areas of the house... not sure that would work. 


~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
rattytatty


Training Moderator
Training Moderator
02/26/2008 12:53 PM  
I don't teach a "THAT'S MINE" command... so am not familiar with it. Maybe someone else here is.

There is a reason why the command is “leave it” instead of “no”. Most dogs learn quickly that “no” means to stop - that something is wrong. Well, in this case, the dog has done nothing wrong. The dog is "preparing" to do something wrong but it hasn’t done it yet. (and you can tell this from the dog's body language). Therefore, “no” would be misused in this case. You do not want to stop the dog completely. For instance, you do not want the dog to stop walking. However, you want the dog to do something actively. There is a huge difference and this difference will not be lost upon the dog. “Leave it” makes it clear to the dog what you want - and what “leave it” means.

Teaching your dog to "Leave It" is probably one of the most important things you could ever teach your dog. It comes in handy in so many different situations and could even save his/her life... or the life of some other critter. It also makes it easy to have your dog leave something alone that you just don't want him/her messing with a simple command.

Make sense?


~Nora~
Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ
tford6


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
02/26/2008 2:19 PM  
Nora, I'm trying everyting you suggested today so far so good Bella is a quick learner on commands she learned sit and shake in a week. So we have some new things to learn hopefully she will be quick on them too.

Terri- mom to Abby Bella and Chloe the girls
spence9118


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
02/26/2008 2:49 PM  
I learned the " Leave It" commans in a training class I took Charlie to. I think it works wonders. The trainer set up a bunch of stuff that dogs like to get into like toilet paper, an empty cup of yogurt, ect... Then she had us walk them around in a circle and when they lunged for it you would tug on the leash and say leave it. If they stoped and gave you eye contact they would get a treat. We also had them sit and you would put a treat in front of them on the floor, if they lunged for it you would push thier nose back with your tumb and pointer finger in kind of a U shape and say "Leave it", then when they stopped lunging they would get a treat. It worked so well with him even though he is very very stubborn and will only do something for a very very good treat, but now that we have worked on him with it he has been really good. We are starting on this with Tucker. He is a little thief too! So far he will not eat a treat on the floor if you tell him to leave it but we are still working on the taking food from someone.

Erica- Charlie and Tucker's Mommy

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Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
02/26/2008 2:56 PM  
I use the "leave it" command all the time when walking mine....people are pigs and throw all sorts of garbage onto the road/sidewalk. It's saved mine many a time when they snatched a chicken bone, candy, condom!

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
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Spanky's Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
02/26/2008 3:10 PM  

Spanky also knows the "Leave it" command and it does come in useful for many reasons. The main thing is to be consistant in your training, correct when wrong...praise,praise,praise when they are right.


When you own a Rattie....you KNOW you are in your right mind

THE MEANING OF RESCUE

Now that I'm home, bathed, settled and fed,
All nicely tucked in my warm new bed.
I'd like to open my baggage
Lest I forget,
There is so much to carry -
So much to regret.
Hmm... Yes there it is, right on the top
Let's unpack Loneliness, Heartache and Loss,
And there by my leash hides Fear and Shame.
As I look on these things I tried so hard to leave -
I still have to unpack my baggage called Pain.
I loved them, the others, the ones who left me,
But I wasn't good enough - for they didn't want me.
Will you add to my baggage?
Will you help me unpack?
Or will you just look at my things -
And take me right back?
Do you have the time to help me unpack?
To put away my baggage,
To never repack?
I pray that you do - I'm so tired you see,
But I do come with baggage -
Will you still want me?
buttonbutt


Newbie
Newbie
02/29/2008 3:04 PM  
Button was real bad about snack snatching when very young. Once she went to Obedience Class, we just learned to put her on a SIT command whenever we were snacking while watching TV. That was sufficient to keep her at bay. Zipper has never tried to snatch food from a human. Just wouldn't occur to her. Now if we're eating a meal at the table, the dogs never beg there because we never, EVER show dogs any attention when eating a meal at table. They quickly learn food is not forthcoming in that room at all. Zipper sits quietly at our feet under the table and Button usually doesn't even come into the dining room at all at mealtime
tauney4


Pack Leader
Pack Leader
02/29/2008 3:24 PM  
tauney does that but that is my fault because i always share food with her
tford6


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
03/03/2008 12:25 PM  
I don't want to jinx myself but the girls having been behaving the last couple of days. We have even been having good luck in the crating process no whining or scratching. They know when my hubby goes to the treat jar and hits the top (it's glass) they run to the crate and wait for him to bring their treat. As for the snatching of food my son and bella have been getting better he's actually sitting at the table (yeah) and she lays in her crate with the door open when we are eating. My hubby was even proud of her. Thanks Nora

Terri- mom to Abby Bella and Chloe the girls
gwacie


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
03/03/2008 4:18 PM  
Another good one is to teach 'go to your rug/bed/crate/towel/spot' (you pick). Basically you teach the dog via rewards to go on command to that spot. Then you add a stay to the process. We used a clicker method to teach this and it takes a little time but works well.

Another thing to do coupled with a good LEAVE it training is to redirect. SO you give a leave it command, and when they respond you reward by giving them something they are allowed to have (like a chew toy they really like) so they can go play/chew that.

gwacie (Bethany)
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