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pete343


Newbie
Newbie
02/02/2008 3:01 PM  

I don't know what to do now. I got my rat-terrier about a month or two ago and I thought I was doing a good job potty training him. Then, school started up again and I had to worry about my semester exams and staying late at school.

The next thing I know, this dog doesn't want to cooperate w/me and he wants to make a mess everywhere he goes. He doesn't even care about peeing his own bed. I caught him this morning as he was doing it and as he laid back down on it. Help?

Besides that, he's been TOO anti-social w/my family. My sister and brother-in-law come over and he will growl at them and pee on himself. And when they try to pet him, he corners himself against me and will almost attempt to bite them. He has bitten my brother-in-law before and I don't want him to do the same to my less than one year old nephew. What can I do? I think I'm going to have to take him to the humane society because I just don't know what else I can do.  Any ideas, suggestions, training tips?

mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
02/02/2008 3:12 PM  
Okay, first, PLEASE don't give up on him.
Do you have a crate? Crate training is very important especially since you are gone during the day. It will cut down on accidents and being destructive.
My first thought was that your puppy isn't getting enough attention or exercise. Do you walk him? He NEEDS at least one good 45 minute walk a day, preferably two.
A great book to read is "The Other End of the Leash". It explains in detail about how dogs think and why they act the way they do.
I am sorry you are having these issues. They can be turned around with some work on your part. Dogs don't just automatically know what we want from them. It must be trained.
Also, walking your dog on a consistent basis will help tremendously with the socialization. It sounds like he's fearful with strangers or any visitors. I strongly suggest you read this book and give your dog daily walks.
Please post back and let us know how things are going.

~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
02/02/2008 3:14 PM  
omg...yikes!
Is he crate trained while youre in school?
where do you live?
before you decide to give him away to humane society, maybe there is someone on this site that can help....the "humane" society isnt always so "humane" ---no offense to any humane societys they are overpopulated and unfortunately sometimes there are things like Parvo going around and a young dog may not have a chance..... ...so sorry you guys are going through this...sounds like there has been a change in his schedule and he doesnt like it....are you exercising him often?
i am not a trainer...maybe someone else has better advice....

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
Ratbone Rescues Database Manager
and Applications Coordinator

pete343


Newbie
Newbie
02/02/2008 3:17 PM  

Hey thanks for the reply. I know. I really don't want to give up on him but I just don't know if I'll have enough time. I still don't have a crate yet. I've been planning to for weeks now but I've been caught up in studying and staying at school. How good will buying him a crate and a chew toy work for him? I'm hoping that having toys and chewy food will entertain him for most of the day while I'm gone. Sometimes I'm gone 13 hours just at school.

He's almost 4 months old so I'm not sure how long it'll take him to learn?

 

EDIT: And yeah, he's seem to have made his own schedule. Looks like he didn't like mine. lol He barks and cries and wakes EVERYONE up at 5 in the morning. He's my alarm clock. It's a shame I can't press a button for him to quite down. And usually when I wake up and go get him to walk him, he's already done his business.

And no, he hardly gets any exercise. What I hate about all of this is that my sister is at home all day and she can't even take him out for a walk or even feed him! My parents aren't of any help either. They say "Well, you wanted a dog so you have to find a way to take care of him!"

I'm not so sure how often she takes him outside or how often she gives him food.

Well sure, I'd love to be able to show up at 12, 4, and 6 PM from school just to take care of him and play but, hah, they haven't invented the teleporters yet.

treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
02/02/2008 3:20 PM  
13 hours????? wow...no one else is home? he is home alone for that long?...do you come home for lunch or anything? a 4 month old puppy can only hold his bladder for 4-5 hours at a time....it is completely unreasonable to expect him to hold it for more than that....
crates work wonders because they give the puppy his own comfort zone...a place of his own...it will be difficult to go from no crate to 13 hour in one though....i wish you had been able to get one earlier and ease him into it.....hmmm....

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
Ratbone Rescues Database Manager
and Applications Coordinator

mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
02/02/2008 3:25 PM  
Oh, that is way too long to leave a puppy alone. He needs human interaction and attention. Mary is right, he can't hold it for more than 4 hours or so. It's not surprising then that he's acting the way he is.

If you don't have time for him, then it's only fair to provide him with a home that will give him the attention he needs. I don't want to see you give up, but if you simply can't change your schedule, maybe giving him up is best.

Please do not take him to a shelter... we can help you.

And to answer your question, a crate will help, chew toys will help, but without you, it won't ever be fixed.

Let us know what you decide.

~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

pete343


Newbie
Newbie
02/02/2008 3:26 PM  

I also have another dilemma. When I DO take him outside to do his business, he pees a little bit, literally holds it in, and does the rest when he gets inside.

And how long would it take to get him used to peoples, things, noises if I walk him every morning for, like one of y'all suggested, 45 minutes?

 

EDIT: Well, this week and for the rest of the year, I'll be able to come home at 2 so I'll have plenty of time for him. I really don't want to give him up but I also don't want to be unfair with him.

 

And also, the reason I came to this website is because I know that if I ever had to give him up, that somebody from this site would gladly take him and care for him like if it were their own blood relative.

mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
02/02/2008 3:35 PM  
My first thought is that he doesn't understand what outside is for... here's what you can do for now. Keep him on a leash inside and out. Keep him with you at all times and consistently take him out.. like every 30 minutes. There are excellent threads about potty training if you do a search on this site. (Of course, you would have to be home all day in order to be consistent)
Anyway, it will take some time for him to get used to other people, etc. Don't baby him if he seems scared but matter of fact, say, "It's okay." and keep going. You might need to enlist the aid of family or friends. When they come over, have them carry treats, approach him slowly from the side, not to make eye contact, speak in soft tones, and never to pet him on the head. That book I suggested will explain all of this.
I wish you luck and hope you'll keep asking questions if need be. Good luck.

~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
02/02/2008 3:37 PM  
Posted By pete343 on 02/02/2008 3:26 PM

I also have another dilemma. When I DO take him outside to do his business, he pees a little bit, literally holds it in, and does the rest when he gets inside.

And how long would it take to get him used to peoples, things, noises if I walk him every morning for, like one of y'all suggested, 45 minutes?

 

EDIT: Well, this week and for the rest of the year, I'll be able to come home at 2 so I'll have plenty of time for him. I really don't want to give him up but I also don't want to be unfair with him.

 

And also, the reason I came to this website is because I know that if I ever had to give him up, that somebody from this site would gladly take him and care for him like if it were their own blood relative.



Amen!!  I'm so glad you'll have more time.  That is wonderful news and you CAN turn this behavior around. 

We will help you any way we can. 


~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

pete343


Newbie
Newbie
02/02/2008 3:37 PM  

Thanks, you've been really helpful. I'll definitely be keeping him on a leash and also exercising him in the morning. I'll also try to see if I can check that book out.

And again, thanks.

mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
02/02/2008 3:40 PM  

~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
02/02/2008 4:23 PM  
sorry i dissapeared...good advice Shannon....sorry if i came off to harsh, I just want the best for this pup and it seems you do too pete343....keep us posted and if we can be of any help...let us know! good luck!

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
Ratbone Rescues Database Manager
and Applications Coordinator

Cyrus2007


Newbie
Newbie
02/02/2008 4:34 PM  
I totally hear you on the school issue! It took me 2 hours to work out my schedule for the term, just so that Cyrus wasn't stuck at home for more than a few hours at a time.
It does get better though. The puppy training is the hardest part, and requires the most time. With the potty training, I used to take Cyrus out about every hour, and I made sure he went potty. Then he got treats! But you have to be consistent, and make him learn YOUR schedule.
There were times I wished I had listened to my mom when she said to wait until I graduate to get a dog, but I wouldn't go back now. So if you can survive the next couple of months, it will pay off.
Dinks Mom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
02/02/2008 10:52 PM  

Shannon's right, he probably doesn't understand what going outside is for, make sure you say your word for going outside (pee pee, potty, etc) and give him a treat EVERY time he potties outside and praise him (he's gorgeous by the way). 


~Susy~
http://www.myspace.com/pbrluvr
treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
02/03/2008 9:54 PM  
just wondering how today went with the little guy?

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
Ratbone Rescues Database Manager
and Applications Coordinator

bethann


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
02/03/2008 10:11 PM  
If that's the pup in your avatar, he's a DOLL!!! Please continue to up date us. Where are you located?

Beth, Sadies pooper scooper
tauney4


Pack Leader
Pack Leader
02/03/2008 10:17 PM  
he is cute, have you thought bout crate training him while you are gone?
mandy331


Ratterific
Ratterific
02/03/2008 11:38 PM  
I had a lot of potty training issues with my dog. Everytime they potty outside I'd say potty or go potty. They eventually caught on to it. Now when we go outside I say go potty or potty and they do it. You definetly have to be persistent and it does take time. It was easier to potty train my lab and it acutally took a good 9-12 months to fully potty train my rattie. I wish you luck!

Mandy
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
02/04/2008 6:48 AM  
Good advice from everyone and I just wanted to add one thing...you mentioned you had yr. old nephew. Please don't allow him around small children, toddlers, babies right now. They can be scary for a puppy and especially for one that hasn't been socialized well. And the bottom line is that he may bite out of fear....so I would keep him away from any little ones right now. JMO

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
DaisysMom


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
02/04/2008 8:13 AM  
You've gotten some really good advice. Please try and let us know how things are going.

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

pete343


Newbie
Newbie
02/06/2008 6:47 AM  
Yup, that WAS him on my avatar. He's a LOT bigger now but his ears are still floppy.

And, oh wow, sorry I didn't answer back right away. I wasn't expecting this many people to give advice! Thanks! I really appreciate it!

Yeah, everytime I take him outside I say "outside". Every time I want him to go inside I say "inside" and he'll start heading for the door. Whenever he tinkles on the floor, I say "nooo, potty OUTSIDE". Do you think he gets the message even though he still does it every single morning? Or am I missing something?

I'm going to get a crate this weekend if all goes well. My parents seem more frustrated than me on the peeing on the floor issue. At least it's on the kitchen tile and not the carpet.

And so far he's been doing a lot better than he has been. Yesterday got home at 2, let him loose around the living room and he just slept next to me until he saw my sister then he went running off. lol He loves to run under the couch to hide whenever we're playing. It's so funny because he does it so ridiculously fast. That's a ratty trademark I love. Their hyperness.
BonitaKaz


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
02/06/2008 7:53 AM  
Maybe you should try getting up to catch it earlier, or is he doing it sometime during the night?

*Bonita* Mom to Nibbler & Laika!
BonitaKaz


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
02/06/2008 7:54 AM  
And have you tried puppy pads? We love them in our house.

*Bonita* Mom to Nibbler & Laika!
dogparkdawn


Ratastic
Ratastic
02/06/2008 8:48 AM  
Where are you? We will send you a crate if you cannot get one.


Let us know if he needs a new home.


Build a little Bird House in Your Soul.

Dawn Muscarella
chris


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
02/06/2008 9:26 AM  
don't give him up.........crate trianing is the way .......... it must be very scared . my little girl used to do that when she was young . she is three now and she is very socialable you just have to train if very little time, use it with your pup it will learn you just have to show the way....
chris


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
02/06/2008 9:29 AM  
hey here's an ideal...have you checked in your town for doggy daycares we have one here in owensboro and they work wonders for when your gone along time and they help with training during they're stay there...ours here is very reasonable..
Sarah K


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
02/06/2008 9:42 AM  
He is adorable....and welcome to the site from me and Chrissy! Sorry we haven't posted sooner. There is tons of great advice on this site. I agree that in the puppy stage the best training is to use the crate and spend lots of time focused on them. It takes a lot of time and consistancy to train a puppy. I know my husband sometimes feels like I have abandoned him right now for the dog. LOL I promised him that just like when the kids were little, it will get better as she gets older.

I am glad that is sounds like you are willing to do what it takes and that you will have some time to spend with him soon.


Sarah
~ Mommy to Chrissy and Pepper (JackRat)

Chrissy and Pepper's Blog: http://360.yahoo.com/magicalmemories3980
pete343


Newbie
Newbie
02/07/2008 8:13 AM  
Hey yall thanks for the advice.

Well BonitaKaz, he does it like at 4-5 in the morning. and he wakes me up at around 5:45 - 6:00 am.
And no, I haven't tried those pads yet...I'll check into that.

dogparkdawn , I live in Crowley, TX. I'll let y'all know if he'll need a new home.

Chris, sometimes I get so frustrated I just want to give up. It feels like no matter what I do and for however long I do it for, nothing seems to help. I have to still try the crate training. How long will it take since he's 4 mos?

And thanks Sarah. I'll try to draft my sister into doggy duty while I'm gone. lol
treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
02/07/2008 8:23 AM  
set your alarm for like 2-3 in the morning and take him out....ouy will only need to do this for a few more months...if that....Toa is only 15 weeks and some nights he goes potty in the middle of the night and some nights he doesnt...but i take him every night to try...this will definitly eliminate the middle of the night accidents.... start crating him for short periods first...like 2-3 hours espscially since hes not used to it yet...make his crate a "happy place" by putting a favorite blankie or one of your old shirts maybe a toy or two/...maybe even a kong ....then he will learn to know its "his place" and its secure and safe and warm....
we just brought Toa home on Saturday, January 26th.. we began crate trainig him while i was at work right away. He was in there mon-thurs that week and every weekday since.....yesterday....he went in by himself when i said "kennel" (which is the command I use for the other pup)
he learned QUICK....they usually do...especially if you make it a positive thing! I give them a treat each morning before i leave ....as soon as they go in the kennels...i give them a treat and shut the door...now, he was "used to" his crate before he came to me because his foster mom used it..but still...learned so quick.... good luck and i hope this was helpful!

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
Ratbone Rescues Database Manager
and Applications Coordinator

cmoody821


Ratterific
Ratterific
02/07/2008 8:25 AM  

I am in Houston, TX... If you end of needing a home please let me know. I might be able ot help you out and take him in. Crates do work wonders, they will only potty in there once or twice and then learn there lesson.

Toys also are a great thing; a good bone while your gone and something soft and warm to lay on. I work 8-5 and go to school at night but I go home everyday for lunch and play for an hour , then before school - sometimes dropping her off at her grandmas to play, then when I get home I play ball for atleast another hour.

Potty pads are also great, start wherever he pottys most and work your way to the front door.

Please let me know if you need anything.


Teddy Roosevelt didn't make the rat terrier popular... The rat terrier made Teddy Roosevelt popular!
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