skiter1261@sbcglobal.net

Rattie

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| 01/22/2008 8:18 AM |
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Hello again... Well Jazzy is working on her potty training but our biggest issue right now is that she barks and whines the minute we leave the house. We put her in her crate which is where she sleeps at night. The past couple of nights when she whines we will walk out there and spray her with water and tell her no and usually after two times she calms down and will sleep unti morning. The whining usually last 15 mins. so it is tolerable.
However, when we leav for the day I know she is barking and whining because when we get home we can hear her in the parking lot. This is a HUGE problem because we live in an apartment. So, we walk out and listen and when she whines and we come in and spray her with the water bottle and tell her no and then praise her when she lays down, but as soon as we walk out the door she is right back at it. I really do not want to give her up but we cannot afford to be kicked out of our apt! Please help. |
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swatson6

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| 01/22/2008 8:23 AM |
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| Does she have any toys or chewies to keep her busy while you are gone? Is she okay with her crate when you are home? Also, could she possible hear you get home? I know my boys are quiet after I leave but as soon as they hear our car they start up. |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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skiter1261@sbcglobal.net

Rattie

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| 01/22/2008 8:34 AM |
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I was scared to leave toys in there incase she choked. She will go in and out of her crate breiefly when she is at home and we never use it as a punishment. She will willingly go in there and it is in the family room, where we always spend time with her. I am pretty sure she barks and whines the whole time we are gone. I guess maybe I will have to start putting her in the crate while I am home for awhile for short periods of time to try and reduce her anxiety. Any other suggestions? |
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DaisysMom

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| 01/22/2008 8:54 AM |
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Definitely try crating her while at home - starting with very short periods of time and working your way up to longer and longer periods. NEVER let her leave the crate while she is barking/crying/whining. Make sure she is quiet and calm before letting her out. When you let her out, do NOT make any fuss or even acknowledge her in any way. Just open the door and move away from it and her. She will likely be excited, jumping, etc., but you want to down play the thrill of getting out of the crate as much as possible. Other hints: when you are working on crating her, try offering very special treats that she only gets when she "goes to crate". I use liver treats for Daisy - she's obsessively in love with those I agree you don't want to crate and leave the house and have given her anything that could be choked on. However, for those practice times when you are still there, try giving her a bullystick - its 100% safe and natural and dogs seem to LOVE them, and they take quite a bit of chewing/work. Again, if she shows signs of loving these things the way a lot of our ratties do, I would ONLY give them to her while she's in the crate and you are home. Again, this helps associate the crate with good things. When you are crating her and leaving the house, I would recommend you buy a Kong and stuff it the night before with perhaps some liver treats or tiny training treats and peanut butter. Then freeze it. In the morning when you crate her, put her in the crate with the frozen Kong. It will make it last longer and give her something to "work on" while you are gone. Kongs are virtually indestructible. And again, it will help her associate the crate with something positive Good luck and keep us posted!!! |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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skiter1261@sbcglobal.net

Rattie

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| 01/22/2008 9:07 AM |
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I really appreciate the advice, because I know these things take time but unfortunately when you live in apartment you do not have much time before people start to complain, and my boyfriend and I sometimes are gone for 4-5 hrs. and she is in the crate.
Couple other questions what is a Kong and where do I get one? lol Also, if we started her sleeping in the living room in the crate and she will whine a little and then go to sleep should we move her in our room and slowly move her out or just leave her crate where we have originally started?
Thanks so much. You guys have been so helpful. |
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DaisysMom

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| 01/22/2008 9:16 AM |
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Personally, I leave the crate in a designated spot. Daisy's is in the living room. Daisy sleeps with us at night - bedroom and bathroom doors closed, so she can't roam or get into anything. She is content to sleep all night long.
This is an example of a Kong: They come in different sizes and I think one filled and frozen with treats/peanut butter would be a great way to help keep her busy especially if you're only typically away from home for 4-5 hours.
You can find Kongs at almost any pet supply store and even Wal-Mart occasionally carries them.  |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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skiter1261@sbcglobal.net

Rattie

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| 01/22/2008 9:26 AM |
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I am worried about letting her sleep with us at night because she is still not potty trained and I think she sleeps longer when she is in the cage then if she was in with us, because she would hear us move and start jumping up on the bed. Also, if she has any accidents they are in the crate. I would not mind her sleeping in our room but in a doggy bed because our bed is small enough for just me and my boyfriend. lol I do not think she would stay off the bed though because she just always wants to be near us every second she can. Which I love about her but I need to sleep too. 
I am definitely going to take your advice about the Kong though. And it is ok for dogs to have creamy peanutbutter I am assuming? I did not know that since it is so high in fat. |
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DaisysMom

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| 01/22/2008 9:32 AM |
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I have given Daisy both creamy and chunky. It's not that much if you use a small/medium Kong. The all natural or organic peanut butter is a good choice. How old is Jazzy now? I'm curious about the accidents in her crate? She should not be doing that. Either she's too young to hold it long enough or the crate is too big for her (thus allowing her to potty in one spot and sleep in another) You want to eliminate whatever's going on that is allowing her to have accidents in her crate. |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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skiter1261@sbcglobal.net

Rattie

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| 01/22/2008 9:36 AM |
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Jazzyis 7 months and she has never had an accident in her crate but she loves to pee on the crapet. We take her out every night right before she goes to sleep but sometimes she does not go outside and will come in and pee on the carpet. Twice now we will take her out just for potty breaks and the min. we get back in the house she squats and pees. So hat is why I am leary about letting her sleep in our room at night. |
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DaisysMom

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| 01/22/2008 9:43 AM |
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Ok, good. Try taking up her water in the evening an hour or so before her last trip outside. As long as it's not overly hot or she isn't exhuberantly running around, this should be just fine. Take her out a little earlier than usual. If she doesn't go, come in and have her go to her crate (don't forget a treat), wait 10-15 minutes, then take her immediately outside again. Keep doing this until she does her business outside. The key here is that when she goes out to potty and won't go that you don't bring her back in the house and let her have the opportunity to go on the carpet - put her in her crate which she keeps dry and keep taking her out in 10-15 minute intervals until she goes. When she finally does go outside make sure to praise her immediately and way "over-the-top" so she can learn that this is what you want. Also, her scent is probably remaining in the carpet. It's important to make sure it's cleaned with a product that will remove all traces of her urine so that she will stop associating it with a place to potty. |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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DaisysMom

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| 01/22/2008 9:45 AM |
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| P.S. I should add that when you're using this method of crating her until she does her business outside, it's important that when she finally goes outside that when you come back in the house you give her a short period of play time, running around inside the house (even if it's almost your bedtime). This will also help her associate "pee outside" = "playtime inside" . |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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skiter1261@sbcglobal.net

Rattie

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| 01/22/2008 11:45 AM |
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Ok, so I have a stupid question. I am feeling a little overwhelmed on all the different traing techniques and I just want to make sure I get this right. So, to get her used to the crate so she does not cry and whine when we leave I will put her in there while I am at home and leave her for a few mins and come back and let her out only when she is calm? Do I come back if she is still whining and the time frame is up? Also, do I do this once or twice a night or a little longer each night. Sorry I am just a little confused and don't want to overwhelm her.
Also, will this interfere with us putting her in the crate at night to sleep? Because I will probably be doing this traing after work when i get home, but we put her to bed around midnight in her crate. |
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tauney4

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| 01/22/2008 11:49 AM |
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| what about leaaving a shirt you wear for her or leaving the tv on or radio for noise i do that for my dogs and cats! but this is just my op |
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DaisysMom

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| 01/22/2008 11:59 AM |
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There are no stupid questions! Yes, you want put her in for only a few minutes at a time while you are home and yes, only let her out when she is quiet. I would work on completely ignoring her if she makes any protest at all to the situation. As I also said, I would treat her when she goes in and perhaps provide her with a special chewy or bully stick (if you're home). When she is quiet, open the door, ignore her if she appears excited/jumpy. Just open the door and move away. If you have given her a bully stick or something similar, do not let her bring it out of the crate - they are for crate time only. Again, this is for association purposes. Of course, do not forget that you will also be crating her if you take her out to potty and she won't go (to help her stop going on your carpet) This shouldn't interfere with crating her at night. |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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skiter1261@sbcglobal.net

Rattie

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| 01/22/2008 12:05 PM |
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Yes, I tried the shirt thing this morning and it didn't seem to make any difference. I will try the bully sticks and kongs. I will try all this tonight when I get home and the Kong tomorrow when we leave. I am so grateful for this site because I cannot imagine letting this little girl go. Thank you for your help. I am still working on the pics. |
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DaisysMom

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| 01/22/2008 12:08 PM |
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Good luck!!! Just give it some time, patience, and commitment. She'll catch on  |
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Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom
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skiter1261@sbcglobal.net

Rattie

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| 02/05/2008 9:21 AM |
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Hi Everyone,
Aside from puppy biting, Jazzy is a great dog. HOWEVER, she still whines and cries and barks loudly when we leave the house. She sleeps in the crate at night in our room just fine. She is also in the crate when she knows we are home. We put toys in the cage and leave the T.V. on and try and sneak out but she will still bark and whine when we leave. We have been crating her for two weeks now and still this is going on. She has special treats for the crate and we bought the Kong and it is like nothing phases her. What can we do to help her get more comfortable being alone for awhile? We always play with her a lot and take her for plenty of walks. I know she does not have to go to the bathroom. Please help I am feeling discouraged and worries our neighbors will not put up with this for long.  |
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maggiew607

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| 02/05/2008 9:39 AM |
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| It sounds like you are doing everything right, and one key is to make sure that she is tired before you put her in the crate before you leave. We always roughhouse with my 11 month old pup and play inside or outside fetch with her. Makes her fall right asleep after we leave. I know this sounds crazy, but when CoCo was younger, I was afraid that she was miserable when I was gone, so I pulled out my video camera and set it to film her while I was gone. Turned out that even though she protested a little when I left, she settled down, slept and occupied herself a few moments later. At least by doing this, you will get a firm idea of how much noise she really is making while she is alone. |
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**Maggie, Mom to CoCo and Angus**
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