kimrose

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| 01/09/2008 8:35 PM |
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I just feel awful! We got a complaint from our association today about the dog barking Since he's been home from the pet sitters, a little over a week now, we've noticed most of the training we've been doing has completely gone out the door. So, we're starting all over again. Only this time we're trying new things that we should have done when he was a puppy. The thing that is causing him to bark is that we are not letting him on the bed at night because he was starting to get aggressive if we would turn over and move him, or get up to go to the bathroom... basically anything that would make him move, he got upset. Plus he was getting really possessive over me at night, sleeping litterally on me so I couldn't even sleep!
Soooo, no more bed privaleges until he learns to behave. We've done this only 2 nights so far.... so he's not used to it yet. The first night he whined and cried all night. But last night at about 3am he started barking like a maniac! We put one of his doggie beds and a comfy blankie right next to the bed for him. We tried putting him in his kennel. He won't have it at night! During the day, no problem with either. We can't lock him our of the room either because then he just scratches at the door and barks.
I'm thinking this is a behavior he picked up at the sitters because she had him sleep in her bed and also had another dog in bed with them. He's not socialized so maybe it messed him up somehow. I don't know. All I know is he can't sleep on our bed tonight. And he can't bark. Any suggestions on how to make this transition easier? |
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Russ' Pal

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| 01/09/2008 9:00 PM |
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Sounds like a case of the cure being worse than the disease, so to speak. I'm wondering if him being "grouchy" at night is because he's still getting over that illness when you first brought him back home? In that case, not sure keeping him off the bed is going to teach him anything. I dunno. |
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Morgan

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| 01/09/2008 9:09 PM |
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| Not sure if it would work or not...but maybe a shirt that you've worn or a blanket you have slept with in his kennel with him so that it smells like you. It works great for puppies. Trying wearing him out before its time for bed too, playing ball, ect. |
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Katie'sMom

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| 01/09/2008 9:38 PM |
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I don't know - Randy has moved back into our bed (he can sleep flat now - had been in the guest bed, which has a head that will lift like a hospital bed) and since Dixie has been sleeping with him since his return from the hospital and KS with me -- we now have two dogs in bed with us. So. . . . I'm definitely not the person to ask! Good luck. This is a hard one - normally I would guess you'd have to tough it out, but with complainer neighbors, that makes it tough. Let us know how it goes. |
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kimrose

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| 01/09/2008 10:22 PM |
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Well, we didn't let him nap since I've been home from work... We've been constantly keeping him busy playing and did some training because I know thats a good mental workout... And right now he's out with Kevin on a walk. So I'm hoping he'll be good and sleepy tonight! Morgan, I'll try putting a shirt in his kennel with him, but its just so weird cuz he's never had a problem with his kennel during the day. I'm wondering if we're doing the right thing. But everything I've read says, if he's behaving this way only when he's on the bed, then he needs to learn the bed is a privalage to go on, and that its not his. And this is what many articles said to do. Does that make sense? I even found an old post on this forum that gave that advice. Ya know something funny... Me and Kev were just talking about this, and he said "I wonder if its his eyes. Like maybe he is starting to have a hard time seeing at night now?" I wonder! How would you test something like that? |
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Morgan

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| 01/09/2008 11:17 PM |
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Gosh, I don't know. Haven't his eyes cleared up since being left at the sitter's? It's so hard to say. The most important thing is to just be consistent. Now that you have started this, make sure you stick it out until things smooth out. I mean, you have only been doing it for 2 days...if he's used to sleeping in the bed with you, then he is probably going to be upset. Is his kennel in your room where you sleep or in another room? Do you have a blanket draped over his kennel? I have a blanket over all sides of Bella's kennel except for the front and she loves it. Hopefully since he hasn't slept much today and he's been active, he'll be sleepy! |
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Morgan

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| 01/09/2008 11:20 PM |
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| Oh and this sounds a little silly, but I would also make sure it's COMPLETELY dark wherever his kennel is...no night lights or anything. Bella seems to sleep better if there aren't any lights on so that she can see around the room she is in. Just a thought... |
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kimrose

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| 01/09/2008 11:32 PM |
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his kennel is in our room, and its pretty dark in there... we also have a blanket draped over it (a tip I picked up from this site ) his eyes will always be bad... but yeah, they've gotten a ton better since the sitters. We're definitely going to stick to this, but its just the transition that I'm worried about... I can't get another complaint or we get fined. I can handle the whining though... I had him in his kennel the first night and he was really bad, like freaking out and I worried about his safety so I took him out and had him sleep on the floor in his bed, last night he was in his own bed again. Tonight... I don't know, I guess his own bed again. Maybe when he gets better I can put him in his kennel again, its just he's so weird about going in it at night for some reason. |
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Morgan

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| 01/09/2008 11:41 PM |
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| If he is sleeping on the floor in his own bed, isn't that okay? Or you want him to be in the kennel? How in the world do you get him to stay on the floor?! haha |
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kimrose

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| 01/09/2008 11:52 PM |
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on the floor is fine, its just he keeps waking up and whining every so often which usually leads to barking... Keeping him on the floor is tricky at 3 am Basically, I just tell him "down" if he jumps up on the bed. Then I tell him "go to your bed", then "stay" at which point he will cover himself in the blanket and sleep However it never goes as smooth as it sounds.... It goes very smoothly when we first go to bed though. And last night he only tried to get up on the bed twice, the rest of the time he just laid in his bed and whined... past out for a bit, then whined. I was actually shocked that he stayed on the ground so easily! I think its because we have been training him for awhile now to ask permission to be let onto the furniture. |
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Ski

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| 01/10/2008 12:22 AM |
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Posted By kimrose on 01/09/2008 11:32 PM
his kennel is in our room, and its pretty dark in there... we also have a blanket draped over it (a tip I picked up from this site  )
his eyes will always be bad... but yeah, they've gotten a ton better since the sitters.
We're definitely going to stick to this, but its just the transition that I'm worried about... I can't get another complaint or we get fined. I can handle the whining though... I had him in his kennel the first night and he was really bad, like freaking out and I worried about his safety so I took him out and had him sleep on the floor in his bed, last night he was in his own bed again. Tonight... I don't know, I guess his own bed again. Maybe when he gets better I can put him in his kennel again, its just he's so weird about going in it at night for some reason.
Sorry to get off topic, but do you give Mic fish oil? His eye problem is inflammation is it not? Maybe a couple of fish oil caps would do him some good since omega 3's are an anti-inflammatory. Just a thought. I hope he adjusts well to his own bed.
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kimrose

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| 01/10/2008 12:34 AM |
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fish oil huh? I didn't know that may be helpful! He has keratitis, its an inflammation of the cornea. So where do you get fish oil? I think I will try that! thank you!  |
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Ski

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| 01/10/2008 12:51 AM |
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Posted By kimrose on 01/10/2008 12:34 AM
fish oil huh? I didn't know that may be helpful! He has keratitis, its an inflammation of the cornea.
So where do you get fish oil? I think I will try that! thank you! 
You can give him the human kind. Nature Made was recommended as a good brand. One of the drug stores around here usually has a buy one get one free deal for a bottle of 100 1200mg capsules for about 6 or 7 dollars. I pin prick the capsule and squirt it on the food and leave the empty capsule in the kibble. Lucky would eat it but Oscar would spit it out. I was reading some old dogfoodproject forum posts and she recommends 1000mg per 10 lbs as a therapeutic dose. You could start with one capsule a day to start and work up to 2 a day. She recommends giving vitamin E also when giving the fish oil. The brand she recommended was this one. http://www.houseofnutrition.com/733739009104.html The dose of E is about 100 IU per 25 pounds. The liquid is about 15 IU per drop so you can easily control the amount he gets. It's a lot more convenient than using vitamin E gel caps.
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alice4512

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| 01/10/2008 7:58 AM |
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Kim just a thought but I don't know on this one, at the end of our bed we have an armchair for Fred, it's not part of the bed but it is level with it but it is HIS bed, he still feels by us but prefers that over actually being in bed with us. What if you got Mic something like a chair? where he would be even with the bed but not actually in it?? Just a thought. .............. |
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Jules

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| 01/10/2008 9:09 AM |
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| Kim I am sorry your having so many problems. I hope Mic gets back to himself soon. Amazing how so much can change. Sounds like he had emotional breakdown when you guys were gone lol |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 01/10/2008 10:17 AM |
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| I don't have any advice, just hoping you get it sorted out soon. Hopefully you're not on vacation again anytime soon? Sounds like it almost wasn't worth it! |
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kimrose

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| 01/10/2008 11:07 AM |
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He slept!!! (I'm doing the happy dance right now ) We went to bed like usual and he cried and made funny growling noises for about 5 minutes (if that even) then laid down! He woke up as usual at about 3am and tried to get up on the bed. I told him no, go lay down... and he did! He made a big sigh when he plopped, but that was it!!! Woohoo!!! And this morning he didn't even try to get up onto the furniture! It's amazing how smart and fast these little guys learn! It's only what... day 3? I'm so excited, I maybe actually doing something right with him for once and its WORKING! Ski ~ I'm having my sis check out the fish oil and vit. E, she gets stuff like that at cost But she said that some people complain that the fish oil gives them bad heartburn, and makes their breathe smell like fish? Think they're just over exaggerating? or have you ever found any truth to this in dogs? Happy Dance time... oh happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy! Oh sleep beautiful sleep! (I'm happy...) |
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Sabrina

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| 01/10/2008 5:14 PM |
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| I laughed out loud when said he made BIG SIGH...Lloyd sighs at me all the time, especially in the morning when he wants to go out.{not that we don't go out often} On the weekend...I will stay very still & see what he does--usually he sighs a few times, then I get a forehead lick!! |
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Ski

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| 01/10/2008 9:24 PM |
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Posted By kimrose on 01/10/2008 11:07 AM
Ski ~ I'm having my sis check out the fish oil and vit. E, she gets stuff like that at cost But she said that some people complain that the fish oil gives them bad heartburn, and makes their breathe smell like fish? Think they're just over exaggerating? or have you ever found any truth to this in dogs?
I know when I take them I usually have a fish burp or two. I put a capsule in each of their supper today and never smelled fish on their breath. Lately I've been using the Seapet fish oil with vitamin E already in it and it has no smell at all. I may go back to the regular Seapet fish oil and add my own E since Oscar is so small. He probably shouldn't get 50 IU everyday (which is in a quarter teaspoon) but I believe it's too important not to give him the supplement everyday. Grizzly Salmon oil is another brand thats good quality made for dogs. I just make sure that the stuff I buy is omega 3 only, no omega 6, or added vitamin A or D. I'm not sure a drug store will have the correct liquid vitamin E. It should contain no lemon oil, as I think that one is mainly for external use.
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Hayden

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| 01/11/2008 1:28 AM |
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| Another idea for barking is to make it constructive. When Electron started to bark I would give her a hand signal, say bark, and then get excited and reward her. Now she barks only when I ask her to and if she starts I can say "No bark" and she knows what I'm talking about. |
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