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dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/19/2007 9:02 PM  

I just feel so bad for Busta, I know he has been though so much and then some. He is still not settling down at all. He seems depressed, and scared and just wants to hide when too much is going on and has never played since he has come home. I just gave him a bath and he went hide behind the chair and would no longer come to me. Normally a bath will pep them up at least some, well he no longer wanted anything to do with me for a while. Then 30 minutes later he is attacking Molly because she is too close to me. The lightest movements will startle him like he is scared to death. I am beginning to think that he was being abused. I thought he would be showing some signs by now but still nothing yet. He is easily set off by Molly, he does not want to play with her and snaps at her. At any time he and Molly are next to me he attacks Molly and when Molly crys he wants to attack her more. This is starting to concern me. I tried to keep Molly in her crate all day and give him some alone time and still nothing. I can't get him to relax. I was told that he loves to play with tennis balls so I tried that and he acts as if he has never seen that before and just ignores me. He never gets excited about anything either. I have only seen him wag his tail in a happy way three times and it was usually when I had been gone for hours and just got home.

I don't know what to do for him. I am sure he needs more time, we have had a lot go on over the past few days but I feel so bad for him.

I know he is not use to being around kids and can understand his jumpiness around Kasey so that I expect to take longer. But from what I know of his history, this is so not the same dog. I am trying to make him happy and so far I don't think I have done that.

I had Sassie for many many years and she was an only dog because she had to be, I am sadly starting to see the same thing in Busta but I can not return him to my niece.

What do I do? How do I get him to settle in? I am hoping over time he will except Molly and Kasey.


Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
lynnygal


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
12/19/2007 9:07 PM  
Oh Dear! Sorry to hear things are not working out so smoothly...... I probably don't have much advice, since we brought Daisy the rattie into our house....and already had our dog Licorice who is 10. Licorice doesn't play much anymore, but will on occasion....but she has graciously accepted Daisy....they even eat from Licorice's dishes because Daisy just would not stop eating from Licorice's..... That has got to be hard on little Molly too.... Sure hope things improve. I do think separating the dogs and having one crated while the other plays is probably a good idea. Sorry to hear you are struggling.....

Lynn

--------------------- lynnygal ---------------------------------
Morgan


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
12/19/2007 9:11 PM  
Well from the horror stories we have heard there is no telling what your nieces boyfriend was doing to this dog. He could have been abusing him or being very mean to him. Maybe it is just going to take some time for him to learn to trust again. I sure hope things improve though.

I have no idea what I am talking about, but I'm not so sure I would put Molly in the crate and make her suffer while Busta is out running around. That could make him think that he is now in charge. I don't know? Poor thing...I do feel bad for him.

-Morgan (Bella's Mommy)
LadyLes


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/19/2007 9:17 PM  
Donna (((((HUGS)))))
I didn't have exactly the same issues, but it took Mocha all of a month to settle down. She was scared, ran into the other room when anyone but me was in the room. I think you just have to give him time. He is probably going to take quite a bit of time since he has been through so much. Keep your head up!! You are doing the right thing for this little guy. Maybe getting him neutered would help...

There is nothing better than wine and chocolate!
~Ashley~
lynnygal


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
12/19/2007 9:30 PM  
Donna, hopefully some of these gals on here who have done rescues can guide you more on how to handle him and what is best for little Molly. Is he neutered yet? How old is he do you know??

Lynn

--------------------- lynnygal ---------------------------------
dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/19/2007 9:38 PM  
No he is not neutered yet, I have to wait until after the holidays for that and he was 2 years old in April 07.

Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
Katie'sMom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/19/2007 9:46 PM  
Yes, I think some of the Ratbone Rescues folks could offer advice. You might also talk to your vet -- a period of anti-anxiety drugs might help. Just a thought. Good luck.

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dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/19/2007 10:34 PM  
Well I hope someone can offer some advice, Molly has gotten very attached to Busta and gives me such a hard time when I take her out to potty now. All she wants to do is go back in the house with Busta. I have to just let her tug on her leash until she finally gives up and does her business. But if I take them both out together she will never do her business until she gets back in the house and in the mean time Busta "pees on her" because she is so stuck to him. OMG!! LOL What a roller coaster ride here! LOL

Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
tauney4


Pack Leader
Pack Leader
12/19/2007 10:42 PM  
aaaahhhh....poor baby he will come around just give him some time!
kip's mom


Obsessed
Obsessed
12/19/2007 10:51 PM  
He probably just needs time to adjust, but my extreamly neurotic aussie will calm down if I sing to him and stroke his nose...he's a little odd.

just jane

It's a dog eat dog world and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear
JRT_Rattie_Mom


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
12/20/2007 5:25 AM  

Poor Busta  He's had a rough time.. and everything is all new to him. It is WAY too soon to say how he will do once he has time to adapt to his new home. Some of the fosters I've had were like this.. totally lost and depressed. They do come around with time. Lizzy one of my fosters that had never been around other dogs (and did NOT like them) grew to love and enjoy my blind JRT.... but it took about 3 months before they were good buddies... and loved playing ball together.


Karen G.
Lucy (JRT) & Holly (Rat Terrier)
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Harleyboy


Ratterific
Ratterific
12/20/2007 5:45 AM  
I would just try to be patient with him. It took 6 weeks for our Little Roxie to totally accept the new pup. We just tried to let them work it out. Little Roxie snapped at the baby and the baby got the picture and stayed away from her. Now they play....Roxie NEVER played with Harley, but then....Harley is very high energy and Roxie can be a bit timid. They work it out if you let them...just make sure nobody is hurting each other and they will establish the pack order on their own. Just make sure you continue to be the one with the last say on things....(Pack Leader) Good Luck!

Shell & my furry babies
Little Roxie
Harley
Miss Milly
Maureen


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
12/20/2007 6:09 AM  
Oh I am so sorry to hear this...think you might be on to something that he was abused! He has been through so much. Very possibly some of the Ratbone people could help you. They do have a helpful blog site on yahoo. Hopefully time is going to be your answer.

Maureen Mom to Abby, Barkley and Reggie..and cat Sarah Jane

Scratch a dog and you'll find a permanent job. ~Franklin P. Jones

Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
12/20/2007 7:52 AM  

I'm behind on the story, I just realized that the new dog was the rattie you rescued from your niece.  Most likely he WAS abused, sounds like it, and that will take time to get past....maybe weeks, months.  He sounds like a sad, lost litte guy - I'm so glad you got him. 

Neutering will be a good thing, obviously.  I agree with Morgan, too, about not keeping Molly in the crate too much as it looks like Busta is in control (at least to the 2 dogs it does). 

Will he walk on a leash?  Sometimes long walks with help you and the dog bond AND get him a little tired.  Other than that all I know is that it takes a long time for some of them.  Skipper took several months before he realized he was home to stay and stopped flinching whenever we raised a hand or arm around him.  He still screams if grabbed quickly - he yelps, it's embarrassing if we're in public. 

Have  you posted about this in Training?  Nora will have some ideas I'm sure.


Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

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DaisysMom


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
12/20/2007 8:53 AM  
(EDIT: This turned into quite the ramble...I apologize for the length)

I agree that it has only been a very short time...this period of adjustment may take a month or more for Buster to totally come to terms with being part of this new pack. Proper walks will definitely help.

I just want to add something as I do in almost all these cases (and what I say, I say out of love and the wanting of what's best for the dog and the people :kiss and because I have personally dealt with a dog from a bad situation (Anna) and hindsight IS 20-20!! I had to go backwards and undo a lot of stuff with Anna out of my well-meaning, but misguided attempts to "make up" for her previous owners. So, try and understand that I don't mean to sound cold or unfeeling....and much of this I learned from watching the Dog Whisperer as I need to get a handle on the situation prior to Daisy coming into our home. So here goes: And, maybe Donna, you're not even doing any of this, but just in case, or if someone else is:

So many people (again, including myself at one point) have a hard time not babying or coddling a new dog that is known to have come from, at the very least, questionable circumstances. However, these attempts at "making up" for the dog usually have the exact opposite affect. When a dog is in this "unbalanced" mindset and a human uses human methods of nurturing it only fosters the dog's uneasiness and instability. Now, again, it's our human instinct to do this...especially, I think for women (no offense guys) as we have in general terms a tendency to want to soothe and ease away hurts but we really do have to go against those instincts in situations like this and deal with the dog's instincts and the way the dog's mind works because we are capable of doing so, the dog is not.

I really did have an epiphany after watching one episode of the Dog Whisperer and realized that what I had been doing with Anna was just utterly wrong - LOL - and that her apparent inability to move forward and adjust was my fault, NOT hers. As soon as I started treating her like a dog and not a poor lost puppy dog who just need lovings, there was an immediate change (not that she doesn't still have some issues, she does) but the overall change in her was amazing. I have a hard time explaining in words sometimes what my attitude is when dealing with the dogs, but it's like "matter of fact" this is what is it, I'm the boss, end of discussion. There's no need to be mean or harsh, just calm and assertive (as Caeser says) and expecting the dog to do what you expect him to do because the alternative is just simply not acceptable. (You have kids so you'll understand this concept: "Because I said so" LOL! Some things really are black and white, and you don't have to justify, cajole, or explain yourself....they just are what they are and that's the end of it.) If you can assume that attitude when dealing with Buster and Molly too, I really do think you'll see a change, maybe not overnight but probably quicker.

I really do apologize for rambling on, I just hope to help anyone who has taken in a dog, rattie or not, from a bad prior living situation and try and provide them with a loving home.

And, there is plenty of opportunities and time for lots and lots of loving and kisses and spoiling, once the dog is exhibiting that it's calm. I often go over to Anna when she's just laying down and relaxed and hug her and tell her what a great girl she is

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/20/2007 10:54 AM  

Thanks for all the advice, I am going to do whatever I have to in order to make this work. He really is a very good dog so if we can work this out he will be perfect. He is very obedient, can't ask for a better leash dog either which was very surprising. He does get long walks and really enjoys them.

Tracey, thanks so much for your words, kind of gives a whole new perspective on things. I definitely have to get "Dog Whisperer" to deal with this. Sounds like it could really help. I have never dealt with an abused dog before. I assume that having a high energetic 2.5 year old does not help either but I can't get rid of him.

Time is on our side for everyone. Thankfully I do not work and can be home all the time.

About the crating of Molly, well it is not done intentionally just because of Busta. That is just how I trained her before Busta came into the picture. She is not fully potty trained so she does spend time in her crate during the day. I take her out for potty, play and walks but when she can not be watched I put her back in her crate and she sleeps. She loves her crate and never cries because to her this is normal.

Busta on the other hand is not crate trained and eventually I would want him to be. I am having a hard time crate training him with the issues he has and maybe I am going at that all wrong because I am not forcing it on him. I did not see any point in stressing him out even more.

I guess I should have put this in Training, it kind of didn't start out that way but has now turned into a training thread. If this could be moved that would be great.


Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
12/20/2007 11:05 AM  
Donna... I just saw this. Please try to relax and take a deep breath... ok?
Please pm me your phone #. I will call you and talk to you about this situation... if that is acceptable. In my opinion, there is too much at stake not to discuss this verbally... so much can be lost via text format.
dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/20/2007 12:04 PM  
Sorry Nora, I am just seeing this now. I will PM you.

Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
LadyLes


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/20/2007 12:26 PM  
I totally agree with you Tracy!! It was really hard for me to stop pitying Mocha, but once I did, she really came around. You have to be assertive...they really do feed from your energy.

There is nothing better than wine and chocolate!
~Ashley~
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