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dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/10/2007 9:07 PM  

Well for the last few days Miss Molly has learned a new trick. We have been potty training and using the firm NO/outside when she potties on the floor.

Well when she is out of her crate and playing with Kasey and I everything is great. But once I say ok lets "outside" to potty, she looks at me and then takes off running behind my chair, sofa anything that blocks my view and pees on the floor before I can get my hands on her!! I mean I am hot on her trail and she will make it fast. So I grab her and give her the firm NO and say outside and take her out. Well then she fights me for a bit then she will potty. I bring her back in and she will try it again the next time. Everyday it happens more and more and a little faster each time.

So as of this evening I have her on a short leash and she is not a happy camper. Now when she comes out of her crate it is only to get on her "indoor" leash. And right now she is trying very hard to destroy her bed, so I guess she will show me huh???

Not sure how long this will have to go on, but until further notice, this is just how it will have to be until she goes outside willingly without the hide and seek method.

Oh, this all started not long after I picked up all the potty pads.

Any opinions or ideas are welcome.


Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
treble02


Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
12/10/2007 9:10 PM  
LOL...sorry i have to laugh....Trixi tried this "game" about a month or so ago...but she would go to the door and scratch and then run away...so i didnt do much except ignore her...then she would come back a few minutes later to REALLY go out....when she realized I wasnt playing this game with her...i guess a little different!

~ Mary, Trixi and Toa's Mommy,
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Alpha Feist
Alpha Feist
12/10/2007 9:18 PM  
Sorry I had to laugh just a little...little miss Molly is sure a smarty pants!!! I really don't have any advice for you, Julia and Caesar didn't do this, they just never want to come back in after they're done going potty outside. We're working on it and it is getting better but I ususally have to bribe them with some cheese. Seems to work for nowl and they really are doing much better...

Diane~ loved by Caesar and Julia

"Don't count the days, make the days count..."
Mari


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/10/2007 9:18 PM  

Now I can't imagine this little thing out witting you... but on the other hand Sassie doesn't do the potty thing it' s the toy with the sqeakers in them if I don't pay attention she runs and hides under the dining table so I can't reach her to tell no bites kisses...then it's a battle of the kid vs. the momma...I am the bully my hubby says ...I would like her to enjoy them before she makes them the enemy..

Nora would be the right on eto ask of this Donna,,,I have never had a potty problem with all the pets I had...even out 32 lbs rabbit was potty trained..


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Morgan


Moderator
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12/10/2007 9:32 PM  
Sounds like you are doing the right thing to me by just having her on a leash indoors so that when she starts to run away from you, you can stop her by stepping on or grabbing the leash and making her go outside when you say it's time to do so. She'll learn before long that running away when you say outside isn't getting her very far.

-Morgan (Bella's Mommy)
dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/10/2007 9:37 PM  
LOL I know it sounds funny and I can't believe she even manages to pull this off as fast as she does but believe me, it has not been a problem for "her". Seems like she puts two signs together, "outside" and "me walking towards her" and then zoom she goes!!! And every time I find her behind what ever she has already pee'd. Other than that she is just all over when you call her, so this tells me that she "knows" what she is doing!!! Smarty pants!!! LOL

Morgan, thanks, that is all I could think of doing for now. I guess we just need to focus on the potty training and hope that this will follow suit. Weird because at times she actually barks and cries at the door to go out. I guess she just wants to do it on her terms only.

Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
winnihoohoo


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/10/2007 11:26 PM  
Don't say ready to go potty, open the door, then whistle, and let her run straight out the door, without letting her heari potty....
NikoWafer


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/10/2007 11:58 PM  
Sorry...had to giggle a bit. I like what you're doing. Keeping her on the indoor leash. But Donna (right above me) has some good suggestions. Good luck!

Victoria

Goodnight, sweet princess. You are still on your own; be stoic, dont panic; get through this hell to the generous sweet overflowing, giving, love of spring. - Sylvia Plath


tauney4


Pack Leader
Pack Leader
12/11/2007 12:55 AM  
you better keep hot on her trail and be firm with her i know what you are going through!
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
12/11/2007 7:08 AM  

Smart little things, aren't they??

I would stop saying anything to her until you get outside where she SHOULD be pottying....then tell her "time to potty" or whatever you say.  And don't put your coat on first or do anything to indicate you're going out.

In other words - sneak up on her! 


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mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/11/2007 7:39 PM  
OMGosh! Hahahha, little stinker, huh?? I agree, I wouldn't say "outside" to her and give her a chance to run off. The inside leash is an excellent idea. I have been using it on Pepper and used it on Mario when he was a puppy. So much of our body language translates to our pups. Have you read "The Other End of the Leash" yet? If not, I strongly suggest you check it out. Just by the way you lean your body will help Molly understand what you want from her. Truly amazing stuff...
Anyway, keep up the good work and stay consistent and firm... she'll get it.

~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
12/11/2007 8:44 PM  

At this point, I would not say anything that Molly can relate to going outside. NEVER call your dog to you to do something she doesn't want to do or enjoy doing... such as giving a bath. If Molly is not enjoying going outside... just pick her up and take her and don't say a word until when she does her "thing", then praise her and give her a treat. Get extremely animated with her. You are wise to take up the potty pads, in my opinion (others may disagree). She needs to be trained one way or the other... but whichever way consistently... not both or you will succeed only in confusing her.  She's probably somewhat confused at this point because what you are doing is different from what you have been doing up to this point.

Don't just COME at her either... else she will develop very submissive behavior such as peeing or cowering. Make it a fun experience with treats. Shannon is right -- your body language says a lot... and she will respond to you much better if your body language doesn't say one thing and your mouth says something else. haha

dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/11/2007 11:56 PM  

Thank you for all of your input. I will work with her and see how it goes over the next week or so.


Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
NikoWafer


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/12/2007 12:08 AM  
Good luck with her!

Victoria

Goodnight, sweet princess. You are still on your own; be stoic, dont panic; get through this hell to the generous sweet overflowing, giving, love of spring. - Sylvia Plath


dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/12/2007 11:13 PM  

We are adjusting after a few days. She stays on her leash indoors and I keep her with me at all times while she is out of her crate. That is working well. She has tried to potty on the floor a few times but lucky the leash was on and I was able to get her real easy and bring her out where she would finish.

She is actually excepting the leash well, when I bring her in from outside I put her down at the door for her treat which she sits and waits for. The I call her as I walk to her leash and she follows me and stops at the end of the leash for me to put it on her. Shocking!! LOL But she never tries to run into the house like I thought she would. She is also learning "in your bed" as I had been training her with a treat for that too. I say in your bed and she runs and jumps in for her treat and I close the door. She doesn't even whine afterward.

One thing that I have noticed with the indoor leash is that she has lots of bottled up energy and needs an extended play period during the late afternoon time. So we play fetch and she loves to chase Kasey around while he drags her blanket. She runs and jumps on it and gets a little ride. It is too funny to watch because she continues to do it so she must like it. And Kasey is not complaining so all is fun and then they both zonk out afterward so it is a win win for me!! LOL


Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
NikoWafer


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/12/2007 11:32 PM  
You'll have to take some pictures of kasey carting molly around. I bet that's just hilarious!

Victoria

Goodnight, sweet princess. You are still on your own; be stoic, dont panic; get through this hell to the generous sweet overflowing, giving, love of spring. - Sylvia Plath


buttonbutt


Newbie
Newbie
12/15/2007 10:58 PM  
Posted By dbleblanc on 12/12/2007 11:13 PM

......... when I bring her in from outside I put her down at the door for her treat 

 

 

Donna, if she pees/poops outside and then you bring her (or she walks back to the door) and then your treat her, you're waiting too long for the reward.  She'll think she's being treated for "coming to the door & sitting".   It would be better to treat her immediately upon completion of the potty task.  Then the reward is connected to what you are rewarding her for.........pottying, and in the right place.  Keep the treat jar right by the door like I did so you can grab two on the way out.  Reward her immediately after both potty chores.  Then I think she'll begin to get the idea. 

On the running away, Donna and Nora are spot on.  Just set a wallking schedule and pick her up when your think it has been an hour, two hours, or whatever interval you're at now.  Don't let on what she's being picked up for.   That's how I've always done it.

 

rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
12/17/2007 9:22 AM  
I agree... the treat needs to come immediately after the behavior... by the time you get back inside with her, she will have forgotten the potty situation and will think you are rewarding her for coming inside. Dogs live in the present.. and when training them even seconds count. The correction... or the reward... whichever the case might be... needs to be immediate. That's one reason clicker training is so effective too... the click comes immediately... and the treat is given pretty much simultaneously with the click.

Am glad to hear things are becoming easier. You might see a bit of a setback with Busta now on the scene, so don't be surprised if that happens and just try to be patient. :=)
dbleblanc


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/17/2007 9:49 AM  
Thanks for the advice, I will just take a step back now that Busta is here and move the treat giving to outside. I am also just taking them out at separate time and not together. Molly just wants to play if they are together. I will see how that goes.

Donna (mommy to Kasey & Molly)
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