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Cocoabean


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
12/05/2007 5:31 PM  

Just got back inside from our evening walk. We were having a great time and all of a sudden around the corner comes a boxer with his owner taking a walk, too. The boxer's name is Buster, and he's a nice dog, obeys for the most part. But he is never on a leash, ever. Buster walks up to us, and I'm quickly losing control of Henry (I do use a prong collar on walks) because Henry hates to be approached by other, big dogs when he's on a leash, especially if the other dog isn't. So, Henry's growling, barking, lunging and exhibiting extremely aggressive behavior towards Buster because Buster is simply too close for comfort. Buster's owner gets Buster to move away from us and apologizes. I apologize, too, for Henry's outburst. Then the guy says, "That dog is really mean." Man that hurt. I imagine it's like someone telling you something really negative about your kid.

My beloved Henry, the love of my life, a great little dog in too many ways to count.

Henry's come so far, though. It used to be bikes, cars, joggers, people with strollers, and basically anything that moved toward him would freak him out--I think because he lost sight in one eye. Now, it's only off-leash dogs, mainly big ones. Oh, and my brother-in-law, but that's another tale altogether. I just can't get him past other dogs approaching us. He's OK if the other dog is not too close and is on a leash and under control, and he's OK if he's not on a leash (in the dog park, for example). Man, we work at this everyday, too, walking past a dog in a yard with only an electric fence. Everyday the dog lunges at us. He never gets too close. Henry has good days and bad days with it, but some days Henry barks, growls, and lunges back.

I have a mean dog.

 

 

 

 


Sara Jo
Mom to Henry
DaisysMom


Moderator
<b>Moderator</b>
12/05/2007 5:37 PM  
Awwww....Sara Jo, I don't think Henry's "mean". It sounds like he has an issue. My big dog, Anna, is the same way with free dogs while she's 'on leash'. I think for her it stems from being tied out and subjected to free dogs in her space that she could do nothing about (before we got her, of course).

I'm sorry the Boxer's owner wasn't more understanding

Tracey - Darlin' Daisy's Mom

Russ' Pal


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
12/05/2007 6:09 PM  
Are you going to let some moron who doesn't leash his dog control how you feel? You ever notice how people who are doing something wrong try to make other people feel bad to deflect their guilt? Guy has no business walking a dog who obeys for the "most part" off leash. Idiot.
Most dogs on a leash feel threatened when approached by off leash dogs, they are at a disadvantage and know it. Henry's just responding like a dog.

-Sarah, pal to Russ & Peca
swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
12/05/2007 6:19 PM  
Um, yeah, I second all that Sarah said!!! And I have issues too, we all do! LOL He has his limits and stupid free dog passed them by a mile......

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



tauney4


Pack Leader
Pack Leader
12/05/2007 6:39 PM  
oh he is not a mean dog at all dont feel that way! it is stupid people that need to be on a leash( oh i am sorry i mean the dog should be on a leash) dont cry! things will get better i promise!
Apollo's Mommy


Feisty
Feisty
12/05/2007 6:44 PM  
You tell it Sarah ( russ' pal )!!!! I'm soooo sorry that this moron made you feel bad. I know first hand how it feels when someone says something about negative about your pups. It REALLY is like they are talking about your child. I'm sure Henry is a WONDERFUL doggie. When dogs feel threatened or scared they will react the only why they know how..... and that's to protect themselves!!!!!


"You can't fix stupid." - Ron White

~ Jolene ~
Mommy to Apollo, Emma, & Indie


RattieGurl0102


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
12/05/2007 7:07 PM  
Oh Sara Jo, What a jerk. Daisy is scared of anything that moves and she flips out whenever she sees them. Henry i'm sure is a fine Rattie. How mean of that idiot to toss out negative things like out. That was wrong of him to say that. If his dog is on a leash, Henry wouldn't have gotten so upset. Humph. What a moron.

Please don't cry!!!

~ Shelbi and Miss Daisy ~

michelle


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
12/05/2007 7:09 PM  

Posted By Russ' Pal on 12/05/2007 6:09 PM
Are you going to let some moron who doesn't leash his dog control how you feel? You ever notice how people who are doing something wrong try to make other people feel bad to deflect their guilt? Guy has no business walking a dog who obeys for the "most part" off leash. Idiot.
Most dogs on a leash feel threatened when approached by off leash dogs, they are at a disadvantage and know it. Henry's just responding like a dog.

I totally agree with Sarah.

 


michelle, mom to Sydney (JRT), Sonic (Rattie), Buddy(Jack-Rat) and Proud mom to Army son, Jordan

http://www.dogster.com/dogs/893222 Sydney
http://www.dogster.com/dogs/893220 Sonic
http://www.dogster.com/dogs/901405 Buddy



Cocoabean


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
12/05/2007 8:57 PM  
Posted By Russ' Pal on 12/05/2007 6:09 PM
Are you going to let some moron who doesn't leash his dog control how you feel? You ever notice how people who are doing something wrong try to make other people feel bad to deflect their guilt? Guy has no business walking a dog who obeys for the "most part" off leash. Idiot.
Most dogs on a leash feel threatened when approached by off leash dogs, they are at a disadvantage and know it. Henry's just responding like a dog.

 

You make a great point. He was deflecting, that's for sure. The comment just hit me the wrong way and just left me feeling like, well, crap.


Sara Jo
Mom to Henry
Cocoabean


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
12/05/2007 9:37 PM  
Henry's a great dog. I've worked really hard to get him to where he is now, and we have a great time on walks, hikes, and bike rides. I am lucky--he is perfect in the house. No destruction, no accidents, he is sweet and loving. He is challenging, too. I've learned so much about dog training and behavior over this last year. He had just had his eye removed when I adopted him, and it took a while to build his confidence out on walks. Why does this thoughtless comment from a stranger get under my skin??

I will never judge anyone for having a dog that is difficult on the leash. I used to think that "those" dogs were spoiled or not trained or that the owner was lazy, but not anymore. That was before Henry came along. He has challenged me and completely astounded me by how much love a dog can have for a human and vice versa. These rat terriers are really special dogs.

Thank you everyone for responding. I didn't cry. Your words sure did help. Bless you!


Sara Jo
Mom to Henry
BonitaKaz


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
12/06/2007 8:03 AM  
I definately agree. He's almost like a guy who doesn't even know what a rat terrier looks like telling you that yours is a giant chihuahua.
The most important thing is that you've worked with Henry to the point that you can take him out on a leash without him flipping out over everything.

*Bonita* Mom to Nibbler & Laika!
alice4512


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
12/06/2007 8:36 AM  

Wow, this guy's dog must be PERFECT, I have never met a dog who has not one flaw. Gimmie a break, I would tell this guy if your dog is so mean then he should probably walk his unleashed dog a different route. I love their flaws, it's what makes each rattie as unique as a snowflake. 


The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too

~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~
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Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
12/06/2007 9:32 AM  
This guy is an A#1 jerk. Don't listen to people who haven't a clue. And it's obvious he doesn't, since he doesn't have enough sense to put his dog on a leash. I don't know where you are, but here in Miami as well as in North Carolina where I am from there is a leash law. Don't pay him any mind, and next time you see him out without the dog on a leash, do the right thing and report his butt. In that case we know who has better sense. YOU!!! You have a Rattie and he just has a big dumb dog to go with the big dumb owner. Don't let him upset you, sounds like your dog knows who is good people and who isn't, I'd say follow your Rattie's instincts, he has the right of it.

Janie,
Ratty,Cameo,Cutter and Nala Belle's Mom

Show your furbaby how much you love them brush their teeth today! It saves them pain "tomorrow." Janie L.
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
12/06/2007 11:08 AM  
I second what everyone else has said, especially Sarah!! The guy's a jerk who should have had his dog on a leash.

You've worked hard to get Henry past his issues and it sounds like he is really getting there - and I admire you for taking the time and having the committment to do that!

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
Cocoabean


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
12/06/2007 7:10 PM  

Thanks Mary Beth.

I just found out something interesting about Cherokee County leash laws. Check out this from the CC Animal Ordinance under section 10-29 Restraint:

[A dog is considered restrained if] it is on a leash and under the control of a competent person, or it is off leash and obedient to and under voice command of a competent person who is in the immediate proximity of the dog any time it is not restrained as provided for in subsection (1) or (2) above while on the owner's property.

Interesting. Technically, I guess the guy walking with his dog off-leash is within the law. His dog approached us, got too close for Henry's comfort, but the guy was able to get the dog to move away from us with a voice command.

I also found out that if a dog is contained by an electric fence, this fact must be posted visibly on the owner's property--I just found this interesting because we have several neighbors with electic fences for their dogs.

Anyway, Henry was so good today, and we had such a good time out walking that it made up for yesterday. I tell my husband jokingly that sometimes he maka me soooo proud....and sometimes he disappoints. Today he maka me proud! My husband calls Henry "my little challenge." It has been very rewarding to see Henry's progress and remember how it was in the beginning.

 

Posted By Mitzy's Mom on 12/06/2007 11:08 AM
I second what everyone else has said, especially Sarah!! The guy's a jerk who should have had his dog on a leash.

You've worked hard to get Henry past his issues and it sounds like he is really getting there - and I admire you for taking the time and having the committment to do that!

 


Sara Jo
Mom to Henry
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
12/07/2007 7:15 AM  
I don't like their leash laws then! Because that's a huge gray area "off leash and obedient to and under voice command of a competent person who is in the immediate proximity of the dog any time it is not restrained ".

People will have different opinions on what "obedient to" means and exactly what "immediate proximity" means. Also, all it takes is for that person to get distracted for a split second for their dog to get into trouble.

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org
Pics of my current fosters:
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow
http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
Cocoabean


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
12/07/2007 5:57 PM  

Posted By Mitzy's Mom on 12/07/2007 7:15 AM
I don't like their leash laws then! Because that's a huge gray area "off leash and obedient to and under voice command of a competent person who is in the immediate proximity of the dog any time it is not restrained ".

People will have different opinions on what "obedient to" means and exactly what "immediate proximity" means. Also, all it takes is for that person to get distracted for a split second for their dog to get into trouble.

 

I totally agree. Very subjective.

Does this ever happen to you--someone's dog (off leash) runs up to you and they say "It's okay, he's friendly"?

I HATE that. It doesn't matter one iota to me whether the dog is friendly. I don't wany ANY dog that I don't know running up to me when I'm out and about, especially when I'm out walking my 3 dogs. Talk about a situation that could get out of control!

 

 


Sara Jo
Mom to Henry
Rowdy's Mom


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
12/08/2007 12:36 AM  
Posted By Cocoabean on 12/07/2007 5:57 PM

Posted By Mitzy's Mom on 12/07/2007 7:15 AM
I don't like their leash laws then! Because that's a huge gray area "off leash and obedient to and under voice command of a competent person who is in the immediate proximity of the dog any time it is not restrained ".

People will have different opinions on what "obedient to" means and exactly what "immediate proximity" means. Also, all it takes is for that person to get distracted for a split second for their dog to get into trouble.

 

I totally agree. Very subjective.

Does this ever happen to you--someone's dog (off leash) runs up to you and they say "It's okay, he's friendly"?

I HATE that. It doesn't matter one iota to me whether the dog is friendly. I don't wany ANY dog that I don't know running up to me when I'm out and about, especially when I'm out walking my 3 dogs. Talk about a situation that could get out of control!

 

 


OK, nothing about where you live (I"ve got no idea where...), but STUPID leash law! 

Anyway, wanted to say, yes, that happens to me fairly often.  I choose to walk Rowdy, and he does great with other dogs.  I'm just lucky with him.  But our lab mix, Sam, and our shehpard, Schatzi, are both not.  I've had people tell me not to worry, they're dog is friendly.  I've always said, "Well, mine's not."  I don't think that Sam or Schatzi are mean.  They are leashed and feel restrained and have the disadvantage  and they know it.  Plus, they have doggie-personalities.  Schatzi is a bit of a fighter- she's an alpha-female and she won't take crap from another dog.  It's a little embarrassing, but she's a dog and dogs are just like that.  I do my part and keep her restrained and under control.  It's the other owner's job to do his part and restrain and control his dog.  It's not his job to criticize my dog.  Just ignore people like that.  They're being stupid and trying to make themselves feel better for their lack of appropriate action.

And good job with Henry!  He's made imporvements and you've done a great job with him!  You should be proud of him!!!

 


~Chrys~ Mom to Rowdy, Schatzi (shephard mix), and Sam (lab mix)
http://www.myspace.com/rowdyluvsschatzi
Lovemypup


Obsessed
Obsessed
12/11/2007 8:38 AM  
My maintenance man from my complex came in one day to fix the bath tub and my dogs were kenneled out of the way, in a whole nother room, and the maintenance man wrote on the ticket that my dogs were bad. Because they BARKED. Thats all they would have done. And it would have been my min pin because hes only 6 months and when he hears someone in the apartment he wants out to play. I was pissed. They had no right and when I called the office to complain they laughed at me.
So I understand the annoyance of someone saying something hateful about your dog. Sorry they said that

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