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kimrose

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| 11/07/2007 11:17 PM |
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Well, I thought I would update you guys on my quest for a trainer for Mic. So far I have contacted 3 companies and have just heard back from one so far. I explained the same behaviors that Mic has to all of them (sep. anxiety, slight aggression, not socialized, he thinks he's alpha, etc...) I also told them his age, breed, and just about everything I could about him. I mean, he is a really good dog, he knows the basic commands, he even learned the "come" command very quickly... he just has some "issues"... I have also expressed how passionate I am in being there during the training because I want to learn, I want to be there! And I think the private sessions are what he needs. I also had my list of questions to ask from Nora (which after this first response I would need to ask again...)
Anywho, this is the email I received from the 1st place (I'm glad I am still waiting for other responses! And keep in mind, I told this person I wanted the in home private training)
You would really benefit from getting your dog trained. It would be
important to have him with me for a while because i have a well set
up place for training with some agility equipment ( that will help
his confidence ),treadmills, dogs, distractions, so we can not just
teach him rules and limitations but take care of the root of the
problem. Then you come in the pic, i do need to work with you and
prepare you as a handler. We can have as many sessions as you would like
I offer basic obedience between 1 and 4 weeks in training The most
complete is 4 weeks in training, basic obedience ( walk nice and easy
on leash, sit, stay, down, stay, come ) , wait at the doors, leave
for things, mall work ( i'll take your dog everywhere with me),
socialization, and house manners ( he is going to learn how to behave
inside of your house or friends house). Are you having problems with
potty training? I'll take care of that as well. I charge $400 per
week and guarantee results. I also board only client's dogs and every
time here he will get more training but i'll charge only boarding fee
Come to visit and see some of the trained dogs. |
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Katie'sMom

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| 11/07/2007 11:25 PM |
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| Yep, I would wait! |
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Check out Katie Scarlett and Company, KS's new site (includes magazine): Katie Scarlett and Company
And email her at: katiescarlettorattie@gmail.com
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kimrose

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| 11/07/2007 11:31 PM |
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| I know, lol... its like she didn't even listen to what I was saying... potty training??? sit, stay?? I told her what his issues were!! I feel like she just copied and pasted her sales pitch that she has saved on her computer somewhere and emailed it to me... But it is nice that she "guarantees results"... for $400 a week she better! |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 11/08/2007 7:04 AM |
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Holy crap! $1600 for a month of training? And you're right - she didn't listen to you! That's way more than having a horse trained! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
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rattytatty

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| 11/08/2007 8:25 AM |
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I would wait too.... I think this is the first time I've encountered a trainer who starts with agility equipment. Although there is lots to be said for learning the obstacles, I truly don't think that's where you need to start. geez... I've always said... there are trainers and there are trainers.... BUT.... I've always also said that any trainer that hasn't had some canine behavior courses/experience are NOT your best trainers. There is TONS to be said for evaluating a dog and his/her behavior prior to any training taking place. I would ask about that...but will warn you too, Kim, that finding a trainer with canine behavior certification will probably cost you more. $400 for someone to take your dog for a week is not outrageous. Here it would cost more than that. Dave used to take dogs and keep them for three weeks for a cost of $1500. But in my humble opinion.... I don't think a dog can be totally obedience trained in one week with all the commands she is listing. I prefer to go slower than that. Geez... I work on one command ONLY for two weeks usually !! Ok.. I've expressed my opinion enough.. so I'm gonna shut up now. But... you need to look elsewhere for a trainer ... this woman obviously isn't for you or Mic! |
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rattytatty

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| 11/08/2007 8:29 AM |
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Kim, I firmly believe that any trainer must be an effective communicator and teacher. Both you and your dog must be able to understand his teaching for effective training. In short, “Do you understand the words that are coming out of his mouth?” As dog training involve both you and your dog, you must also be able to understand his teachings so that you can practice them when you get home. You might want to request a sit-in session to observe him and see if he can deal with the particularly difficult dogs. Don’t be afraid to ask him questions about his training background, training techniques, methods and etc. An experienced trainer should have no problem answering your questions. |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 11/08/2007 9:02 AM |
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Wow, I had no idea that dog trainers cost that much. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 11/08/2007 9:04 AM |
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Nora - how many dogs does the average trainer have in training at one time? I mean at the full time $400 a week rate....because they must really rack up the money. If a trainer has 5 dogs at a time, at $1600 a month, that's $8000 a month! $96,000 a year! |
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Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude Check out our ratties at www.newrattitude.org |
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rattytatty

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| 11/08/2007 9:22 AM |
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I'm thinking it costs more here... Unfortunately, I live in the 11th richest county in the nation (I'm not one of the rich ones though! haha), so people here are able and willing to pay more. Dog trainers here make a very good living. But, you must remember too that they work themselves out of a job. Once the dog is trained... the job is done and they may or may not have another client. When Dave used to do basic obedience, it would not be unusual for him to have 10 dogs at his place. But he worked these dogs off and on every day...all day.... and that price also included several one-on-one sessions with the owner/handler so they could take the dog home and work on the commands Dave taught while he had the dog. A lot of Dave's obedience training was done in the home also... rather than in a kennel environment. That also costs more. Yes...it is a very profitable business. Dave no longer does basic obedience. He specializes in police/bomb/drug dogs and does obedience only as a prerequisite to those goals. I won't even tell you what he charges for that! LOL |
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kimrose

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| 11/09/2007 12:50 PM |
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Got another reply! This one sounds more promising. And she is a certified proffessional dog trainer and certified dog behavior consultant... She uses positive only behavior and training methods.
I always start with a consultation in the client's home to get a better feel
of what the dog is like and to go over information that will help you
understand your dog better. I also talk about goals and where you would like
to be with your dog short-term and long-term.
I spend up to two hours during this and charge $175, however, if you decide
to go forward with training, I do apply that fee toward my packages. So, if
we decided to do a 5-week program (I like to work quickly) where I come to
your home one a week for an hour, the balance would be $275.
I hope that answers your questions, but if you have more or would like to
set up an appointment, please call me. |
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swatson6

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| 11/09/2007 12:55 PM |
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| She sounds more like she paid attention, but once a week for 5 weeks and only an hour each? It seems like that is REALLY spaced out. . She says she likes to work quickly, but what if a dog or handler doesn't tolerate that? Just some questions I would ask. Definately better than number 1!!!! |
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kimrose

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| 11/09/2007 1:02 PM |
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Posted By swatson6 on 11/09/2007 12:55 PM
She sounds more like she paid attention, but once a week for 5 weeks and only an hour each? It seems like that is REALLY spaced out. . She says she likes to work quickly, but what if a dog or handler doesn't tolerate that? Just some questions I would ask. Definately better than number 1!!!!
That's what I was thinking, it doesn't seem like much. But after looking around, they all seem to only offer hour long sessions and the average is 5-6 sessions. There is one that offers 12 sessions/2 times a week, hour each time, but that one is $1020.00.
The other thing was that she didn't answer me about a guarentee. Most of these trainers offer a guarentee or free lifetime training at their group classes at dog parks... but this person doesn't advertise that... I guess I will find out if I end up calling her. |
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rattytatty

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| 11/09/2007 2:13 PM |
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Ok... being honest here, and my intent is not to step on anyone's toes.
Once a week... one-hour sessions... is standard practice for in-home training, and the cost she quoted is VERY reasonable. However, 5 weeks isn't very long. Most trainers here charge so much an hour for in-home training... and take as many weeks as is necessary to accomplish the owner/handler's goals.
I don't put much stock in trainers that offer "guarantees"... why? Because... no trainer can guarantee success if the owner/handler doesn't do what is assigned to him/her. The guarantee is contingent on the time BETWEEN these weekly sessions that the handler puts into it. Sometimes trainers "guarantee" their work in order to gain clients.
I can spend 1/2 hour showing you and explaining to you how to do something... and charge you $50 for that... and tell you to work on it every day during the next week... and if you don't then how am I going to guarantee success?
I can guarantee success if you guarantee me you'll do what I tell you to do... but not otherwise.
If I work with someone and their dog for an hour showing them how to do something.. and ask them to work on this particular command every day for a week... and I meet with them the following week and it's very obvious to me that not much time has been spent (and trust me.... I can tell !)... then I might do another week and try again. But .. if after 2--3 weeks and it's still obvious to me that the handler isn't doing his/her share... I don't continue with that person. I'm not going to waste my time... or their time and money... if they aren't willing to do their share.
Maybe this sounds a bit harsh, and I truly don't intend for it to. But I've "been there and done that" and dropped clients because they want ME to do all the work. What they are paying for is knowledge and experience... and being able to convey effectively to a handler how to train their own dog.
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kimrose

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| 11/09/2007 2:32 PM |
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yes lol, that makes perfect sense to me! I know I'm looking for a learning experience, but I'm afraid Kevin might be like one of your "other" clients... I believe he is looking for someone to do all the work for him. I have to figure out a way to convince him otherwise, because I feel that for this to work, we ALL need to be present, and willing to do what it takes and learn and do the homework. That even means my sister (who lives with us) has to join in. I've already talked to her and she agrees, that even though she is not an owner, doesn't take him out or feed him everyday, she still lives there and has an impact on his behavior. And do you think 5 weeks will be long enough? I guess I could always ask if they would take on more sessions if needed for an extra charge. I think that would be reasonable. I mean, the price she is charging is way way below any other place I have found. This place might be a keeper!! Oh, and I think I may have mis-used the word guarentee, I know a trainer cannot guarentee that what they teach will work, how could they! If the owner doesn't follow through... but what I'm looking for is not so much a guarentee, but what if I have questions a month later, or need her to come out for one session a couple months down the line, will she do that? |
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rattytatty

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| 11/09/2007 4:50 PM |
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Kim... if that's what you meant by "guarantee" then yes... I think she should definitely make herself available to you if you have questions following the conclusion of the sessions. That should be included in the cost, but of course there will probably be a "limit" placed on that... there would have to be otherwise people would be calling all the time! LOL I think the important thing is that during the initial evaluation/consultation... your goals be discussed. Have them written down and ready for discussion. Don't try to do it "on the fly". Be prepared with questions... and be specific about the goals you wish to accomplish ! |
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kimrose

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| 11/09/2007 5:03 PM |
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| good point. I better write it down because when I get nervous, I become extremely stupid. And important things always make me a nervous wreck! |
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