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melo

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| 10/03/2008 12:29 PM |
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This is a continuation of a threat started by Alice mom---
suzi--I recently changed Nora to an evo diet--also a no grain soft food that she loves----
It makes sense that she would pee more, humans do also with high protien.
The thing is I now have limited her water becasue she was peeing SOO much and having accidents. At first I attributed to spay and then to behaviour, but I think that the food change might be part of it.
I limited her water yesterday and she had no accidents. I do not want to hurt her kidneys though.
A couple times in the past when she was overly thirsty, she would look at her water bowel and bark, or even jump in the bathtub and ask me to turn on the faucet. She knows how to ask for water.
So even though I am giving her less than before, I hope that it is enough to deal with the high protien--I cannot tolerate her peeing in the house all the time ))
Whadya thing? anyone?
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Nora's mommie -- www.melodybreyer-grell.com Selling CD's with 50 percent going to Ratbones!! Check it out! |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 10/03/2008 12:32 PM |
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My babies are crated during the day, Mel. Only my Snoopy has potty issues, but that's cuz he was crated 24/7 for the first 2-3 years of his life and the only way he could relieve himself was in his crate, so he's not cratetrained. I keep him in my bathroom with areas he peepees in during the day.
It may take her some time to adjust to the new food and this may only be temporary - guess taking her out more may help, at the same times every day to get her on a schedule. |
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, etc... www.ratbonerescues.com Fostermom to Oh Mickey, Prince and Spring Ratbone
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alice4512

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| 10/03/2008 12:38 PM |
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This is just a suggestion and may not be a good one but can you get pee pads or something to put down so if she needs water she can drink but if she does have an accident it's easy clean up? Just a thought...... |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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melo

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| 10/03/2008 12:38 PM |
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she never pees in the crate and has done great since I stopped free feeding food and water--I just hope I do not deprive her of what she needs, but I have to have faith that she will bug me if she needs more water. She is not one to be stoic about things ))) |
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Nora's mommie -- www.melodybreyer-grell.com Selling CD's with 50 percent going to Ratbones!! Check it out! |
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melo

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| 10/03/2008 12:44 PM |
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pee pads can be good if one is ready to commit to them---at this point I think that more dispiline is needed on my end---I take her out at lot, but i have not timed her meal time properly--and have started to--it should be interesting to see if I get my act together if she will get hers!! thanks for the thought - Mel |
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Nora's mommie -- www.melodybreyer-grell.com Selling CD's with 50 percent going to Ratbones!! Check it out! |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 10/03/2008 12:49 PM |
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When you take her out Mel, be sure to be vocal with her. Tell her to go pee pee... go pee pee... and when she does, praise her big time!! Even give her a piece of kibble so that pottying outside is a good thing.
My Sandy's been really bad about pottying before we go to bed. She just stands there. For several nights now, I've had to chase her out to the yard to go potty. Once she hits the grass, she's fine, and she'll go, but the several feet from the back porch over the patio OUT to the yard is the problem!!
I don't know if it's cuz it's been REALLY cold here or what, but little Sandy needs to get a grip!!  |
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, etc... www.ratbonerescues.com Fostermom to Oh Mickey, Prince and Spring Ratbone
Who do YOU GoodSearch/GoodShop for? Go to www.goodsearch.com and type in Ratbone Rescues! |
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braeli_bryson

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| 10/03/2008 1:18 PM |
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| sue... funny you say that... because both B&B are like that at night... after they poop at 6:30 and they p at like 7:30 they WONT go all night until morning... i still sometimes force them and stay out in the cold for 20 mins at 10pm... but if am tired and opt not to they are good until 6am.... no issues... except the 1 time braeli actually Pd on ME one night! |
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"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"
gianni_mahopac, ny bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
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SuzieRedhead

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| 10/03/2008 1:26 PM |
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Aren't they odd? If I let them out too early, my Snoopy is on and off the bed all night - needing to drink and pee... no matter what time lately, Sandy just stands there ... honestly, I had to CHASE her into the yard last night! I know if they don't go potty before I go to bed, they'll either wake me up, or I'll feel bad that they hadn't gone all night and get me up early... odd little critters they are!!
Once Kaci peed on the bed cuz I don't think he pottied enough outside and same with Mickey once. Guess when they gotta go they gotta go!!!!!!!!! |
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, etc... www.ratbonerescues.com Fostermom to Oh Mickey, Prince and Spring Ratbone
Who do YOU GoodSearch/GoodShop for? Go to www.goodsearch.com and type in Ratbone Rescues! |
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buttonbutt

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| 10/03/2008 1:27 PM |
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Gee, excessive urinating sounds like there may be something else going on. Diabetes Miellitis and Diabetes Insipidus in dogs can cause excessiv urinating. Had a dachsie with the latter years ago and he peed nearly hourly until they got the DI under control with Vasopressin injections.
Another interesting point re your protein comment: my girls have been on a PURE PROTIEN (Raw Diet) since January and they do not pee one bit more than they always have. FWIW canned food (not sure if the grain-free you mentioned is canned or not) has a higher water content than kibble and will definitely cause dogs to drink a little less water, but canned food doesn't have enough water in it to cause excessive urinating.
You might want your vet to rule out a possible UTI or something more complicated going on with the kidneys/urinary tract. Just food for thought. |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 10/03/2008 1:32 PM |
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Snoopy is really the only one who drinks A LOT more than he used to. He also had crystals, which I'm sure was part of the problem, but he's all OK now... but he def drinks more now than before, as do the others, but not excessively. Perhaps since it's not a pure, natural raw diet like your babies are on, it's causing more water intake and urination.... although I try to make sure they're on a very high quality kibble, I know it's not as good as if they were on raw.
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, etc... www.ratbonerescues.com Fostermom to Oh Mickey, Prince and Spring Ratbone
Who do YOU GoodSearch/GoodShop for? Go to www.goodsearch.com and type in Ratbone Rescues! |
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buttonbutt

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| 10/03/2008 1:42 PM |
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| Sue, the dog I mentioned that had the Diabetes Insipidus also had 7 bladder stones removed a couple years before the DI diagnosis. Vet said the two conditions were unrelated though. Poor baby was such a sweet dog to be saddled with such poor protoplasm. Also had only 30% pancreatic function due to adhesions following that bladder stone surgery. Was on a KD/PD diet the rest of his life. The high water content of those two prescription canned foods made him always pee a bit more than was his normal before the health problems occurred. |
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RatsRule!

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| 10/03/2008 1:54 PM |
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I found this on PetEducation.com I didn't have time to read it all, but thought it might be helpful Water: A Nutritional Requirement Veterinary & Aquatic Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith, Inc. Water is the most important of all the nutrients. An animal can loose all of its fat and half of its protein and survive, but only a 10% loss of body water causes serious illness. Water constitutes 84% of a newborn puppy and 60% of an adult dog. Water is necessary for almost every function the animal body performs. While critical in life, some animals have adapted to having very little of it around. Some northern sled dogs will go months without any liquid water, surviving on consumed snow and ice. Lions in the Kalahari Desert will go up to four months, surviving on only the moisture derived from their prey. Hibernating bears will sometimes go for six months or longer without taking in any water and deliver and nurse cubs at the same time! Yet on a hot day, the average dog or cat can become dehydrated in only a few hours if fresh water is not present. Water is so essential that it is often taken for granted. Considering the huge quantity and importance of water consumed in a lifetime it is important that the quality of the water is the best possible. How much? There are many different factors that affect the needed intake of a dog, cat, puppy or kitten - so many that it is always wise to provide access to water at all times so that the animal can regulate its consumption as needed. A general rule of thumb is that an animal needs to consume 2.5 times the amount of water, as its daily intake of food. If an animal eats 2 lbs. of dry food it should consume 5 lbs. of water. (There are 8 lbs. in a gallon.) If he eats 4 oz. of dry food, he should drink 10 ounces of water (1¼ cup). Factors such as high heat and exercise or lactation can increase the needed amount two or three times above normal. Most animals consume more than their daily requirement. A little extra water consumption never hurts, but too little can be catastrophic. Animals that eat canned foods get most of their moisture from the food and may drink much less than an animal on dry food. |
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melo

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| 10/04/2008 12:38 AM |
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Thanks for that last bit, terri Nora has been eating canned high water content food for the past few days so I have not had the water as available to her and she does not seem as thirsty as when on an all kibble diet. She still pees a lot, but does not go during the night and can hold it for about 4 hours--I wish I could get it up to five-or more--maybe when she gets older--as she is just shy of 8 months now |
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Nora's mommie -- www.melodybreyer-grell.com Selling CD's with 50 percent going to Ratbones!! Check it out! |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 10/05/2008 7:28 PM |
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One other thing to throw out there, although it probably doesn't apply to Nora as she's just a pup still. Both my whippet and now Alfy have spent the week after their spay peeing more than normal. With Loco I thought she had a bladder infection from the surgery but nope...all that "jostling" around in there (the bladder is very close to the uterus/ovaries) just irritated things and she peed more for a week. Alfy is now going through the same thing. Neither Mitzy nor Mayfly had this happen with them but they were young puppies when they were spayed. Loco was 6 and Alfy, while young at 2-3 yrs. old, has had at least 1 litter of puppies....so that seems to make a difference. Haven't read anything on this....just going by observation and personal experience. No matter what housetraining issues I have going on with anyone (with fosters coming and going I'm housetraining someone 75% of the time) I always keep fresh water available. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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melo

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| 10/05/2008 9:06 PM |
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MB It might be the spay--nora is a puppy but was 7 month when she has it done the other week---I have water out but not much. I give more during mealtimes. She is doing better now---I think we are reaching a balance of schedule ) |
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Nora's mommie -- www.melodybreyer-grell.com Selling CD's with 50 percent going to Ratbones!! Check it out! |
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swatson6

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| 10/06/2008 8:22 AM |
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| I woud have the vet rule out anything medical if this is a huge change fromn her normal routine. And you should always have fresh water availiable, that is one thing you should never withhold. |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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