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mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/24/2007 2:37 PM  

And he has an ear infection in BOTH ears!    The vet saw an infection when checking him and tested the scraping she did.  He has an infection in both ears and I had NO idea!  I feel terrible but we caught it very early.  He's on ear drop meds for 3 weeks and I have to use an ear wash three times a week.  Poor puppy, his mommy didn't even know! 

You know I ended up getting him lots of special treats!

He has gained 6 oz.  bringing him up to 9.14 lbs. 

Everything else checked out fine.  He had to get some shots and some more Frontline.  I got his surgery scheduled for June. 

Question:

I was given a price sheet and told that for his surgery several things were optional and several things were mandatory to do.

Mandatory: neuter(duh), general anesthesia, and pain management

Optional: perioperative fluids, preanesthetic blood screen, and Res Q microchip

I will do all of the above but I was wondering what others have done for this surgery.  Are the iv fluids necessary before surgery and the blood screen?  Just asking. 


~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

PamWh


Rattitude Problem
Rattitude Problem
05/24/2007 2:40 PM  
I don't remember Bob's vet giving me a price sheet like that. They did ask if I wanted the microchip inserted or to have his teeth cleaned while he was under the anesthetic.

PamWh
aka Bob's Mom

If your rattie ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!
JenMax


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
05/24/2007 2:41 PM  

Poor Mario!      Give him some kisses from Aunt Jenny.

9.14 lbs is still tiny compared to big Max

 

 

 


Jenny - Max's sister

spence9118


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/24/2007 2:45 PM  
My vet didnt ask me about any of that. IMO some of that you may not need. What would the blood screen be for? Like Pam they did ask about teeth cleaning, witch I decided not to do with Charlie but plan on doing with Kayla because her teeth really need it.

Erica- Charlie and Tucker's Mommy

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mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/24/2007 2:49 PM  

I was told that the blood screening was to make sure his liver and kidneys could handle the surgery.  So, I'm not sure...  also the IV fluids before hand.... again, not sure.  I wasn't asked about teeth cleaning.. his really don't need it.  The extra stuff is more than double the original surgery... 

I will willingly pay for the extra stuff but also don't want to spend money on something that isn't really necessary. 


~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

Apollo's Mommy


Feisty
Feisty
05/24/2007 3:02 PM  

Shannon, Apollo's vet did the blood work before his surgery for the same reasons you stated. Apollo's records state that the Pre surgery exam, fluid management, aneasthesia, surgery (duh) and pain meds are all included. But I did opt to have his teeth cleaned and his nails clipped. But you know me I'm the world's worst "rattie hypocondriac" as Brad calls me.


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~ Jolene ~
Mommy to Apollo, Emma, & Indie


rattytatty


Newbie
Newbie
05/24/2007 3:03 PM  
At Mario's age, I wouldn't think the blood screening would be necessary. I know they do this for older dogs... when I had my dogs' teeth cleaned, I had the blood screening done prior to them being anesthesized, but it was recommended because they are all over 7 years of age. But even then, it was not mandatory. I wouldn't have had it done if it had been Bailey. Mario doesn't need to have his teeth cleaned (neither does Bailey) at such a young age.
Mario doesn't look like he weighs as much as Bailey does... Bailey still weighs straight up and down 9 lbs... but he's definitely on the thin side so maybe that's the difference?
My vet doesn't give out sheets like your vet gave you. Of course, having Mario microchipped is optional too. I don't have Bailey microchipped, but am seriously considering it.
mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/24/2007 3:07 PM  

Okay, sounds good.  I appreciate the info...

I have wanted to do the microchip so I'll most likely have that done next month.  What about the IV fluids before surgery?  Is that pretty standard? 


~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

Apollo's Mommy


Feisty
Feisty
05/24/2007 3:15 PM  

The IV fluids help keep them hydrated during the surgery, and helps the anesthesia flush out of their system easier/faster because the anesthesia does slow everything down.  It is pretty standard but it is usually up to the owner if it's done or not.


"You can't fix stupid." - Ron White

~ Jolene ~
Mommy to Apollo, Emma, & Indie


mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/24/2007 3:17 PM  
Posted By Apollo's Mommy on 05/24/2007 3:15 PM

The IV fluids help keep them hydrated during the surgery, and helps the anesthesia flush out of their system easier/faster because the anesthesia does slow everything down.



Okay, that's what I wanted to know...  thanks, girlie!! 


~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

PamWh


Rattitude Problem
Rattitude Problem
05/24/2007 3:19 PM  
Shannon, don't feel bad about not knowing Mario had ear infections. My youngest son had infections in both ears when I took him in for one of his immunization appointments as a baby. He hadn't run a fever or been fussy, so how was I to know?

PamWh
aka Bob's Mom

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Apollo's Mommy


Feisty
Feisty
05/24/2007 3:19 PM  
Posted By mario07 on 05/24/2007 3:17 PM
Posted By Apollo's Mommy on 05/24/2007 3:15 PM

The IV fluids help keep them hydrated during the surgery, and helps the anesthesia flush out of their system easier/faster because the anesthesia does slow everything down.



Okay, that's what I wanted to know...  thanks, girlie!! 



Sorry I added another sentance.  But anyhow... you know I got ya back!  Give Mario hugs & kisses.  I hope his famous ears are ok!

"You can't fix stupid." - Ron White

~ Jolene ~
Mommy to Apollo, Emma, & Indie


mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/24/2007 3:22 PM  
Posted By PamWh on 05/24/2007 3:19 PM
Shannon, don't feel bad about not knowing Mario had ear infections. My youngest son had infections in both ears when I took him in for one of his immunization appointments as a baby. He hadn't run a fever or been fussy, so how was I to know?



That happened to me with my daughter...  she had a rash and the doc said it was strep! 

I'm just glad we caught it early... 


~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

spence9118


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/24/2007 3:24 PM  
Ewww the one bad thing that happened when Charlie got Neutered last week was that he must of peed in the crate or whatever they had him in after surgury because he was covered in it and I cant give him a bath until next friday!!! We tried washing it off with baby wipes but he still kind of smells.

Erica- Charlie and Tucker's Mommy

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hmbghettopic53


Ratastic
Ratastic
05/24/2007 4:14 PM  
Shannon, we had Illyria spayed in Feb. I don't think we were even told that there would be an IV. Fine with me, and we didn't even do the bloodwork beforehand.
Good luck!! Hope Mario feels better soon.

Jen & Illyria
kimrose


Feisty
Feisty
05/24/2007 4:28 PM  
Aww, poor Mario! Good luck with the ear drops I hope they go ok! But its a good thing it was caught early, glad everything else checked out A-ok!

About the blood screen, we were given that option and turned it down. Even the vet said it wasn't necessary at his age. Plus he had gone through his yearly check-up a couple months before where they did bloodwork and it came out fine then...


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Ratastic
Ratastic
05/24/2007 4:32 PM  
Izzy is getting spayed next month! I had the blood screen done when she had the scope done on her ear because they had to put her under for it. With her being a stray and not knowing where she came from or what may have been wrong i opted to have it done. It all checked out fine but now i will not need to have it done before the spay. Which it was optional both times. But for me it was peace of mind knowning that she would come out of the meds just fine.
Morgan


Moderator
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05/24/2007 5:20 PM  
Poor Mario. I'm sure he'll be better in no time.

When he gets neutered, just make sure they send home plenty of medicine to ease the pain and make him sleepy. I used both on Bella for the first day or two just to make her more comfortable.

-Morgan (Bella's Mommy)
bratt


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
05/24/2007 5:57 PM  

I have had the blood screens done. It just makes sense to be sure everyting is as it should be, at any age. The teeth cleaning probaly not, since he is so young. I'm not sure about the IV fluids, but it makes sense since he can't really drink before or after the surgery. Good luck. BTW I have Savanna chipped, didn't do it during surgery tho. It's simple enough for them to do anytime, but since he is there, why not.


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amletpumpkin


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/24/2007 6:04 PM  
when we got amlet neutered we got everything but the chip. they offered us the laser surgery, but we turned it down. The blood screen at our vet wasn't optional, but I didn't mind anyway, its not that much.
Hope mario's ears feel better!
Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
05/24/2007 6:15 PM  
Well, when Mayfly was spayed I was given the option of a blood screen which I didn't have done because she's so young and healthy. Of course it certainly doesn't hurt to have it done at any age. They didn't ask me about IV fluids or teeth cleaning.

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Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
05/24/2007 6:56 PM  
When Bama was neutered, the vet tech just told me what all they'd do. I vaguely remember her saying they do the blood screening for the reasons already mentioned, but I don't remember IV fluids. They may have mentioned it and I didn't think anything about it since most human surgeries require IVs--just assumed it was a given?? He only had his neutering. I think he'd already been chipped.

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Maureen


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
05/25/2007 5:53 AM  
Hi! when I had Abby spayed in Jan the tech told me that I had to have the blood work done! Said humans always have it done before surgery! She also told me she was over weight by a pound! Oh well???

Maureen

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Paul


Feisty
Feisty
05/25/2007 6:23 AM  

When Lucy was between 8 months old and a year old, it seemed like she got ear infections a LOT.  Thank goodness, that phase seems to be over with for now, though.  Hope Mario is feeling better now.  My vet doesn't do all the "extras" like IV fluids, etc, unless it's specifically asked for.


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Katie'sMom


Newbie
Newbie
05/25/2007 6:58 AM  

Shannon, I just saw this. Lots of vets recommend blood work and IV fluids, no matter the age. I have a friend whose dog was 8 mos at time of surgery and they almost lost him because of an unknown problelm testing would have discovered. So, as much as you love this little dog, I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND the tests and IV fluids. The IV fluids during the surgery help if there is a problem and they have to have a vein -- if his BP drops then veins are hard to find.
In the old days, vets didn't do this so much, but veterinary medicine has changed, procedures, tests, etc. are more advanced.

Now, the odds are in you favor that Mario would be fine, givien his age, but I don't really want to gamble with my dogs.  My neighbor, who takes the attitude "she's just a dog" might, but I don't.  I have a b-i-l and two close friends that are vets and they do this for their dogs.  That means something to me.

mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/25/2007 7:20 AM  

Thank you very much for your replies.  I did think it was odd that some of these extras were optional.  My vet HIGHLY recommends the IV and blood work.  It's worth my peace of mind to have all of that done.  Mario's worth it... 

I'm just debating about the microchip...  I'll probably go ahead and do that too.  Mario is a little houdini! 


~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

Brandy


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
05/25/2007 7:24 AM  

Max's vet recommended the blood screening for him, only because we knew that he came from a backyard breeder and we didn't know much about the dad. Don't get me wrong, the mom (and the dad, now that I have met him) are both wonderful and well taken care of, the vet said that we couldn't be too careful. I had Max nuetered when we moved so he was boarded for four days, Sampson was boarded for four days, Sampson had a flea bath, Max was nuetered, and I bought Frontline and my bill was about $200.00. I don't really remember how much the actual nuetering was, because we had so much going on.

 

**edited** Oh, and I forgot, he was tatooed while under anesthsia too, and that was included in the price.


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Katie'sMom


Newbie
Newbie
05/25/2007 7:35 AM  

I'm going to put this another way, cause I'm not sure the point I'm trying to make is coming across.  We buy our dogs the best food, the best treats, the best of everything because they are so important to us.  And then, when having surgery, we wonder about doing the testing/IV's that could mean the difference between life and death.  Now, there are lots of people who can't afford to do all of this and I completely understand - but the surgery is important, so they must go ahead without all the precautions and most likely they will be okay.  And, I think that is the reason vets give it as an option. But, if one has the means to be able to afford these things, perhaps by sacrificing something else they may want, then I say "do the testing"!   A dog can live just fine on some off brand dog food -- I mean it may not be best for his health, but he will survive.  See the point I'm trying to make here?  If one can afford to take the extra precaution then I think one would be better served to skip the new lead and collar, or special toy and opt for the tests. 

mario07


Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
05/25/2007 7:38 AM  

Excellent point, Jan.  I've decided to go ahead with the IV fluids and testing ( I had planned to all along but wanted some input about what others did).. 

The whole thing (microchip included) will be $245.  No problem... 


~~Shannon, Mario and Pepper's mom!~~

Apollo's Mommy


Feisty
Feisty
05/25/2007 11:29 AM  
I agree Jan. Really, I'd do for my furbabies just as I would my skin kid. Even though my skin kid is first my furbabies aren't far behind. Brad is always saying how he is 4th on the important list:
1) Cody
2) Apollo & Emma, Emma & Apollo (tie)
3) me
4) Brad

Hehehehe!

"You can't fix stupid." - Ron White

~ Jolene ~
Mommy to Apollo, Emma, & Indie


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