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cherylwordweaver


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
07/11/2008 8:54 PM  

We now have three confirmed cases of rabies in Bladen County. Our county and the surrounding counties have been working diligently to keep rabies at bay and we had been doing pretty well. This year seems unusually high for rabies cases.

Last Thursday in a nearby town, a bobcat came into a family's backyard. Their two dogs kept the animal at bay and would not let it get close to the house by barking and nipping at it. Of course the bobcat fought back and the dogs sustained some injuries though minor.  Animal control was called out since the bobcat had been acting odd and earlier in the year another bobcat had been killed and tested and it had rabies.

The bobcat was sent for tests and the results came back positibe for rabies. Here is the sad part. BOTH dogs had to be put down. One dog had never gotten a rabies vac and the other dog's rabies vac had expired. Had the owner taken advantage of the multitude of rabies vac clinics one of our vets in the county hosts every year, the dogs would not have had to die. If they were up to date on rabies vac, they would have only needed a booster.

The other option is to have a dog that has come in contact with a rabid animal be quarantined for SIX months at a vet facility away from anyone and all animals.

Our county vet that does the rabies clinics will probably not be able to do them anymore due to his age and health. I don't know if the county has plans to keep them going or not. Due to the dilligence of Dr. Midyette and countless volunteers, hundreds of animals get their rabies shots and at convenient locations for the people esp. hunters. When I was a teen, I did rabies clinic with Dr. Midyette and we saw nearly 1000 dogs that year. We were at 10 or so locations around the county. It meant getting up before day, driving out to the remotest of spots sometimes and then setting up the table or me just sitting inside the truck with the paper work while Dr. Midyette stood beside his truck in the cold or rain etc and gave shot after shot.

Anyway, just wanted to share and remind folks to check their rabies vac records. Aka will get his first 3 year shot this year. I have to check Taffy's records but she got her rabies vac right after she was rescued so is good to go.

Both of my dogs wear their rabies vac tags all the time with their id tags.


“Aloha- - -to learn what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable.” Queen Liliaokalani

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Torboar


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
07/11/2008 9:16 PM  
awwwwwww poor doggies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yogis mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
07/11/2008 9:40 PM  

So sad!

And I am totally against annual innoculations (distemper, etc) BUT since it is regulated by LAW, never will I go slack on the Rabies vac.

On my island we had a rash of rabies-positive Raccoons AND Otters. One day  a few years ago a woman was walking her 11 yr old Golden and they were attacked by a rabid coon.

Dog's shots were only 6 mo out of date....the County insisted on the dog's euthanasia.

Made me sick. They COULD have done a titer test to ascertain the dog's rabies immunity or islolated him for a few weeks.

The owner didnt have the $$$$ to fight it.

SO....Yogi's rabies shots will aways be up to date...sigh.


michelle_custer


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
07/11/2008 11:07 PM  
that is sad.....



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Mitzy's Mom


PAWesome
PAWesome
07/12/2008 6:19 PM  
Very sad story...the owner should have made sure the dogs had their rabies shots up to date. Even if a low-cost rabies clinic isn't available the shot isn't that much at the vet's....like $12 or so. No excuse for not keeping it up to date.

Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids

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tauney4


Pack Leader
Pack Leader
07/12/2008 6:24 PM  
that is a sad story!!!!! we dont have clinics in our county ever god forbid if anyone would do anything nice or diffrent here.
bratt


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
07/12/2008 7:28 PM  

There is NO excuse for a dog not having it's rabies shots. Not to mention the others that it should have! Parvo/distemper etc....       GET  your dog  vaccinated!               


Debra~KSSM Queen II
Savanna~Princess Easy Street
Fuji's mom


Rat Royalty
Rat Royalty
07/12/2008 8:36 PM  

That is so sad. These dogs risked their lives for their owners and the owners could not be bothered with taking proper care of them. Some people should not be allowed to have pets.


Nydia

"Do not think that love, in order to be genuine, has to be extraordinary. What we need is to love without getting tired."
-- Mother Theresa
yogis mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
07/12/2008 10:56 PM  
Posted By bratt on 07/12/2008 7:28 PM

There is NO excuse for a dog not having it's rabies shots. Not to mention the others that it should have! Parvo/distemper etc....       GET  your dog  vaccinated!         

 

Bratt...a LOT of different schools of thought on repetitive vaccines .(.including for skin-kids!)....but titer tests can ascertain an animal's immunity from certain previous innoculations/diseases. (The dog should ALWAYS have the  initial first vacs...of course! If in doubt, innoculate)           

BUT....
WE humans do NOT have annual  diptheria, polio,measels,chicken pox, tetanus, ETC. innoculations...we build immunities from those initial shots. AS DO DOGS.MAMMALS....so on. It is fact that there is a 5 or 7 yr Rabies Vac available..the States Vets and Pharmaceutical Corps don't want it. (BIG $$$$ loss for them)

"Vaccinosis" is real. (Please "google" it?) And most Vets will avoid the subject. Except Holistic-trained Vets.

I am willing to BET a month's income that my dog would test immune to Distemper, Parvo, and Rabies if given a titer 2-3 yrs from now.

And I WILL pay for the test rather then innoculate him annually...IF for some reason his immunities test low or zero...well, it's a no-brainer.

On that note..I will never let him lag in his Rabies...BUT as for the other "annual  recommended Vacs"...I am very against "every year". Just mucho bucks in the Vet's pocket as well as the Pharms....and as unnecessary as yearly Mumps and polio vacs., so on, for us.

And I SWEAR I am NOT a quack!!! JMHO based on A LOT of heavy intensive research...And I am STILL learning!!!!

 

susannasmommy


Ratastic
Ratastic
07/13/2008 12:33 AM  

I am from the school of no vaxing.  The dogs have what they need (like the PP said, have titers run and you will know what you need and don't) and what Susanna has to have, she gets SLOWLY.  Why do we need a vaccination for ear infections, chicken pox....general childhood diseases that do us no long-term harm?  Polio?  OK, fine...but seriously?  Even if they didn't have the vax, what are their chances of getting it?  Vaccinations certainly have their place and have eridicated many deadly diseases, but many of them (especially with the kids) are uncalled for.  And why jam 9 vaxes into 1?  IF your child happens to have a reaction, you don't know which one its from.  Good luck getting monovalent vaxes, though.  If you can get your hands on them, you can't afford them.

I've researched vaccinations long and hard for the past 5 years.  Its hard to find unbiased info on them, but I have found the ingredients of vaccinations and frankly, I don't want them in my kid OR my dogs.  Gag.    But we do have the vaxes we need around here.  Parvo, rabies....things of that sort.

And hey, just because you've been vaxed doesn't mean you're immune.  I've been vaxed for HepB at least 5 times (used to work at a hospital) and with every titer they ran, I came back as not immune!!    Go figure.


Tabitha
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ivy


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
07/13/2008 12:41 AM  
I agree puppy shot series and then titer from there. my last dog lived to be almost 17years old and my vet recommended not to give further shots why mess with a health dog was his motto
susannasmommy


Ratastic
Ratastic
07/13/2008 2:34 AM  

Am replying to my own post to fix something that's bothering me....

Eridicated?  Apparently the school of no vaxing is also the school of no spelling, LOL. 

Eradicated.  Jeez, I feel better now. 


Tabitha
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Mooses'Mama


Obsessed
Obsessed
07/13/2008 11:05 AM  
my beloved jake lived to 17 and he wasn't vaccinated after 7 except for rabies

Mother to Moose Jefferson Green Esquire!
yogis mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
07/13/2008 11:32 AM  

 

The following site has some good (informative) links regarding Vaccinosis and common dangers of over-vaccinating...

 

www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/petvacc.htm

bratt


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
07/13/2008 2:10 PM  
Posted By yogis mom on 07/12/2008 10:56 PM
Posted By bratt on 07/12/2008 7:28 PM

There is NO excuse for a dog not having it's rabies shots. Not to mention the others that it should have! Parvo/distemper etc....       GET  your dog  vaccinated!         

 

Bratt...a LOT of different schools of thought on repetitive vaccines .(.including for skin-kids!)....but titer tests can ascertain an animal's immunity from certain previous innoculations/diseases. (The dog should ALWAYS have the  initial first vacs...of course! If in doubt, innoculate)           

BUT....
WE humans do NOT have annual  diptheria, polio,measels,chicken pox, tetanus, ETC. innoculations...we build immunities from those initial shots. AS DO DOGS.MAMMALS....so on. It is fact that there is a 5 or 7 yr Rabies Vac available..the States Vets and Pharmaceutical Corps don't want it. (BIG $$$$ loss for them)

"Vaccinosis" is real. (Please "google" it?) And most Vets will avoid the subject. Except Holistic-trained Vets.

I am willing to BET a month's income that my dog would test immune to Distemper, Parvo, and Rabies if given a titer 2-3 yrs from now.

And I WILL pay for the test rather then innoculate him annually...IF for some reason his immunities test low or zero...well, it's a no-brainer.

On that note..I will never let him lag in his Rabies...BUT as for the other "annual  recommended Vacs"...I am very against "every year". Just mucho bucks in the Vet's pocket as well as the Pharms....and as unnecessary as yearly Mumps and polio vacs., so on, for us.

And I SWEAR I am NOT a quack!!! JMHO based on A LOT of heavy intensive research...And I am STILL learning!!!!

 

I didn't mean to say that I think the dogs should get every vac the vet reccomends every year. Savanna doesn't. Had that chat with my vet. There are shots that are recc. that she does not get, because I agree, many are too repetitive and not needed. I have done, and am still doing research on the vacs that are recc. but I feel I need to learn more, so I keep reading. My only point was rabies is very much needed, and so is the parvo/distemper as pups, or dogs you don't know the history of, such as strays and rescues. Didn't mean to offend.

Debra~KSSM Queen II
Savanna~Princess Easy Street
yogis mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
07/13/2008 10:50 PM  

Not a matter of anyone offending....I agree...vacs when babes or unknowns...am just hoping we ALL do our research , and even more, on this subject..over vaccinating.

I am very sensitive about it because my Lab that died from Adrenal Cancer fit the Vaccinosis symptoms....so I am riddled with guilt.

AND...until I got Yogi I was TOTALLY an ignoramus...about good NATURAL diet vs store-commercial crap...about vaccines, etc.

Sheesh..I thought Iams and Eukanuba, and, ugh, Pedigree, was "GOOD FOOD"...as I said...ignorant.

When I got him (Yogi) I was bound and determined to avoid the same mistakes I made with my past dogs...so I started in on online research...something I didn't have at first with my Labs...the internet is such an incredible resource!

Heck...I don't trust regular people Doctors...why would I put his life in the hands of one Vet!?

I think I have been educating his Vet...they are so out of touch after they get out of Vet school!

I have never, personally,encountered a Holistic Vet...but have the utmost respect for them and wish they were more predominant!

I have to rely on the online Vets for opinions, experiences, ideas....

so my research is never-ending.

Yogi is not due for his annuals until Oct-Nov...so the situation shall be interesting..I will have to be blunt about what is allowed by me, and not. I hate that Rabies is by Law required every year...but because he could be euthanized if not up to date on that shot, I will not even consider challenging it.

There are groups who ARE challenging that annual vac...and from all I have read, I agree with them.

Lest we not forget..the Pharm Corpse run this country, financially, in so many ways...we are all victims, as are our children and pets, by their greed. Their so-called "research" is often bogus...all about the $$$$. Scary.

 

OK..off my soap box!

All I gotta say is read, read, research! Can't hurt!And empowering.

melo


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
07/13/2008 11:57 PM  
How often for the rabies shot---Yearly?
thanks

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swatson6


Attention Starved
Attention Starved
07/14/2008 7:17 AM  
Mel, in NY it is a 3 year rabies vaccination after they recieve the puppy vax and then the one year rabies vax.

I have to say, Jack currently is not up to date on his rabies vax. I know bad mommy,BUT this is his bad time and with all his "issues" right now I refuse to vaccinate him for anything until it all calms down. His immune system just cannot take it. I am for vaccinating for Rabies as it is the law and at this point even a titer is not accepted as proof. Even if your dog is severely compromised and a vet gives you a waiver you still have to deal with possible action should the situation arrive where they are exposed to the disease. Other vaccines are a whole different issue and I hope all vets will start adopting at least the 3 year vax.

Sarah
Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan



rattagan's mom


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
07/14/2008 7:53 AM  
Rattagan had 3 year vacs in NC but in Miami my vet would only do it year by year. I don't know about Palm Bay as yet because Ratty isn't due until Dec. for his and Cameo in Jan or Feb. So I will find out what they do then. I know after reading this I will do even more research. Vaccines are important but why have things that are un-neccessary? We have to look after our pets and ourselves because the Money Monster gets a hold of doctors, for pets and people, very easily now-a-days. Who can ya trust? Only yourself and we have to make the choices for our beloved pets since they can't choose for themselves. Shoot, with me, I want to stop this Physical Therapy mess with my foot but Phil won't let me. I hate going to doctors but sometimes you just have too whether you want to or not. However this story makes me want to smack the owners of those dogs for not having had at least the rabies shots done. Senseless deaths! And all the owners fault!

Janie,
Ratty,Cameo,Cutter and Nala Belle's Mom

Show your furbaby how much you love them brush their teeth today! It saves them pain "tomorrow." Janie L.
yogis mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
07/14/2008 8:09 AM  

This is an interesting read...especially the parts about "dogs...companions or just property".

In England pets are catagorized as "Sentient Beings"...in US, "property".

www.vaclib.org/legal/PetsDying.htm

cherylwordweaver


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
07/14/2008 3:08 PM  
I really hadn't meant to start a big discussion on other vacs, I was more appalled at the owner who had no rabies whether it be one year or three. Here in NC we have a three year rabies vac so to me that even added to the sadness of the above story.

HOWEVER, I am greatly enjoying the discussion and appreciate everyone's respect for one another and the sharing of facts, opinons and research. I agree with you Yogi's mom (sorry can't remember your name) that as guardians (I like that so much better than owner) of our dogs and other companion animals, we need to do everything we can to be informed. I am very glad for this site because I have learned so much and have been able to grow and learn as well as share.

I live in a small rural area, we have two vets in our entire county. One is an elder gentleman who really should have retired but he loves his work and until a couple of years ago, was the ONLY vet in the county. The other vet is young and fairly new out of vet school (not right out but in the last 8 years, I believe). I have taken both Aka and Taffy to Dr. G. the yonger vet, more because they have some newer equipment and I do like his personality. I have not however, had a chance to talk to him about things like titer testing so we may be getting close to butting heads. I hope not.

Dr. M the older vet, is a man that I was able to work with as a high school volunteer. I learned a lot about large animal practice working with him. Now he does mostly small domestic animals due to his ailing health. He is one of those guys who is pretty set in his ways and is a bit difficult for some of his clients to work with.

If I were not someone who had access to internet, or was at a level where I wanted to know the best for my two pups, it would be easy to be overawed or cowed by either of these men. I find this the same for human doctors. Many folks are so sure that the doctor knows everything (whether it be human or animal doctor) that they don't do more than just what the doctor says. Other folks don't really care enough about their animals to worry too much over them. They think an animal is property and not more than that.

I'm not sure where I am going with this other than to say, I appreciate the folks here who share their knowledge and thoughts as well as the folks who come here to learn. I am happy that NC has a 3 year rabies vac since Aka had very strong reactions to this first round of vacs. Now that he is done with his puppy vacs and frist round, we can now begin to look at titer tests, etc and only vac if needed.

When I lived in Hawaii, where there is no rabies, I was always so sad to see the animals in quarantine. They could have NO interaction with any other animal and if they did, it added to their time there. It was truly hard on the cats. The dogs were always starved for attention no matter how much the staff tried to help. Lots of times, families would send the dog ahead by nine months (the length of quarantine at that time) so that when they arrived, they could just go pick up the dog and head to their homes.
That meant those dogs had no humans that they knew to come visit them. I personally couldn't handle that.

I haven't checked recently but I know the quarantine schedule is less and that at one time they were looking at using a test to check for rabies rather than quarantine, so I'm not sure what the regs are now, but it is still a hard line between keeping something as deadly as rabies off the island and yet still providing humane and quality care to our animals that come to live with us and love us and are willing to do anything for us. We should do everything we can to pay back that great love by doing everything we can for them.

Okay, now that I have rambled all over, I need to go and find a quiet corner to rest in!! LOL
Thanks

“Aloha- - -to learn what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable.” Queen Liliaokalani

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Apollo's Mommy


Feisty
Feisty
07/14/2008 3:15 PM  

Cheryl- I could be wrong but isn't it the law here in NC to have your pets rabies vaccine current?  For some reason I am thinking that it is. 

Either way this really is a very sad story...


"You can't fix stupid." - Ron White

~ Jolene ~
Mommy to Apollo, Emma, & Indie


Apollo's Mommy


Feisty
Feisty
07/14/2008 3:18 PM  

Or maybe it's just county by county basis? 


"You can't fix stupid." - Ron White

~ Jolene ~
Mommy to Apollo, Emma, & Indie


cherylwordweaver


Rat-A-Tat-Tat
Rat-A-Tat-Tat
07/14/2008 3:31 PM  
Hi Jolene, yes it is the law but as with any law there will be those who break it. Our animal control is very small here and so it is pretty easy in a large rural county to have folks that just "don't bother". A very sad situation. In our county we also have a large number of beautiful hunting dogs that wind up in the shelters at the end of hunting season due to the "owner" cutting their collars off and just leaving them out at the hunt site. Maybe the dog didn't hunt well, or since season is over, the "owner" doesn't want to bother. It is very sad.

We do however have lots of folks who love their animals and take care of them. I get very sad and emotional when it comes to humane education. So many folks either don't know or don't care and when I see this kind of thing, two brave dogs keeping a dangerously sick animal from their people and their people just not having them up to date on their rabies vac which is the law plus a safety net for the dogs, it makes me cry.

Of course today is a crying day for me anyway, not sure why but everything is making me tear up.

Hope you and yours are all well. Give everyone some good aloha for me. Tell miss Kate we are so happy she is growing and getting ready to join us.

Lots of love to you,
Cheryl

“Aloha- - -to learn what is not said, to see what cannot be seen, and to know the unknowable.” Queen Liliaokalani

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yogidiogi


Ratterific
Ratterific
07/14/2008 5:39 PM  
I did rabies titer last year, paid 150.00 for the test and it came back that he did NOT need rabies but for reasons like this I decided last month to go ahead and get it done anyway... I hate that it's required as well but if something like this happens they might not take titers and it's not worth it to me. I will titer every year for distemper and parvo but I too am not taking a chance with rabies...
yogis mom


Ratastic
Ratastic
07/14/2008 11:04 PM  

We are stuck because of LAWS (encouraged by Pharm Corps) to keep Rabies up to date...even tho there ARE 5 yr vacs already available.

There are sooooo many alful stories about Rabies Vacs Reactions in Dogs..yet the Pharm Corps backpeddle and state it's not the Vacs causing the issues...yeah. Right.

One day, because more and more Holistic Vets are entering the mainstream., we will  see this extremity dissipate and the laws will relax...

5-7 yr Rabies Vacs will be the norm.

Just know that if your dog had the full series...Parvo, distemper, etc ...the dog has immune antibodies...innoculating EVERY year is sheer idiocy and compromises your dogs' health...and for Humans? The very same.Common sense.

Ever hear of  annual measles/chicken pox/ etc for humans? (aka MAMMALS?)

Just sayin....

singingpilgrim


Ratastic
Ratastic
07/16/2008 4:15 PM  
Our animals are now all up to date, but they weren't just two weeks ago. When I adopted Sophia the shelter had to have proof our rabies was up to date... so we took Radar and the cats to a clinic and got it done. But I don't like the idea of over vaccinating either.
Legally you have to get the rabies shot yearly in SC, though you can do the 3 year version it's complicated and way more expensive. Sigh.

Pamela
~Sophia Abigail's Mom~
Ratbones Rescue Volunteer
bbsmom


Rattie
Rattie
07/16/2008 4:24 PM  
ok i have a question for you guys i am all for rabies shot's with all the wild animals around here (i also think we have 3 lions and 2 cougars running around to lower the deer pop.) well anyways when we got BB the "breeder" said they have not yet had their rabies shot cause the last litter that got them they had died now BB is 13 1/2 weeks old will it be safe to get him his shots??? i am way to attached to have something go wrong.Any idea's????

Just call Dani mom to a Monster on 4 legs we call BB
watts102503


Rattie
Rattie
07/16/2008 5:02 PM  
Well I just scheduled Domino's vaccines and I can ask the vet about the Distemper and parvo vaccine but vet tech said she has only seen this skipped in old dogs with health problems. I am hoping she will let it slide another year but he does go to doggie daycare 5 days a week for half days so we always get his bordatella vaccine... Do you think we are over vaccinating him? This is the first dog I have had since I was a young kid. I want to be a great pet owner.
michelle


Firehouse Big Dog
Firehouse Big Dog
07/16/2008 5:46 PM  

Sonic had a terrible reaction to his last distemper vac. in January.  Our vet said no more distemper vacs. for him. 


michelle, mom to Sydney (JRT), Sonic (Rattie), Buddy(Jack-Rat) and Proud mom to Army son, Jordan

http://www.dogster.com/dogs/893222 Sydney
http://www.dogster.com/dogs/893220 Sonic
http://www.dogster.com/dogs/901405 Buddy



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