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| 07/08/2008 11:18 PM |
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Posted By yogis mom on 07/08/2008 10:14 PM
I agree with those who have questioned the few online "dogfood" project sites...it becomes confusing and not one can be taken as a literal "bible"...j all end up totally confusing all readers. (esp ME!)
I just got the Eagle Pack..(thought it did have barley in it...which I don't care about...Yogi LIKES barley...have made it in soups and he snorted it down...) it has rice, both white and brown...both which I have fed him in his kibble.
I still feel some carbs/ grains are not bad...and a high protein, or ALL protein, might not be great for a small breed...for larger breeds maybe and older dogs, yes.
I read the Nature's Way Chick Raw Medallion's label and "crude protein is 13%"....so I must have gotten the low protein version..???
So, combined with the Blue Wilderness mixed with the Eagle Pack and one meal the Raw, I am truly only reducing the protein by a small %... I AM reducing the amounts tho...calories.
But he should be, probably IS, the best fed doggie on the block!!!!!
I have latched on to the dogfoodproject as my guru. Mordanna (dogfoodproject is her website) has been researching dog food since 2000 and she has extensive education in biology, chemistry, nutrition/dietetics, animal nutrition, care, physiology, diseases and parasitology, which she shares generously. She is also certified in animal care. She has previously discussed why she often disagrees with the dogfoodanalysis website and the Whole Dog Journals views on dog food. She offers nutritional consultations for a fee but has no financial stake in any brand of dog food so she is unbiased. She started researching foods to find a better food for her dog but now prepares her dogs meals herself but still has contact with the nutritionists at the various dog food companies. She has shared instances of companies ignoring her requests for info and their attempts at deception. I tend to value her opinion highly and I get carried away when discussing food for our beloved little ones. I went through a lot of crap food and my dog paid the price for my ignorance with a ligament injury probably brought on by being 8 or 9 pounds overweight.
I don't have a problem with grains or carbs either, the kibble I'm currently feeding has both. I may go back to reduced fat EVO for Lucky this winter if he starts to gain weight again. When he's less active in the cold weather he seems to do better on low carb, grain free food.
I should have explained the protein percentage. I was looking at Nature's Variety raw medallions which are 13% protein and 68% moisture. To compare that with kibble, which is usually about 10% moisture, you have to figure the % on a dry matter basis. 13% with 68% moisture works out to around 41% protein. A 42% protein kibble with 10% moisture is about 47% protein on a dry matter basis.
I'm also feeding Eagle Pack for one meal and raw(dehydrated) for the other. Good for you for watching the calories. So many people feel guilty and tend to over feed, but I've been there and seen the nasty results so now I have no problem feeding smaller portions of high quality food. The difference in Lucky at 20 pounds instead of 28 pounds is amazing and so good to see.
I'm pretty sure my two are the best fed on my block too. |
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braeli_bryson

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| 07/09/2008 7:27 AM |
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i went to me local "high end" pet store... Choice Pets. This is where i was buying my Canidea. Theyt have everything which is high end and tehy are very knowledgeable. They too informed me and agree to get away from Canidea. Unfortunately they also said ALLL high end brands have down sized their bags from 50lbs to 30lbs as the largest and maintained the same price!!!! Sucks!!! Their suggestions for foods... i was going grain free... 1. Artimis Max Formula. Grain free. Very HIGH END product. Here in NY its $70 / 30lb bag. 2. Natures Variety. Instinct - they recommend chicken for the higher protein over the other meats. They also think that dogs get "less finnicky" becuiase it is the only brand wrapped in freeze dried real meat. Here in NY its $45 / 25lb bag. 3. Fromm. for the same price i would use Artemis which is slightly higher end. 4. Timberwolf. they had issues and a recent recall. Error in dating shelf life of bags. Its just now hitting the shelf again... Im not comfortable with that. there is a new brand of grain free food that has come up that they just received in. 0 grains... high in protein. It had a weird almost asian name. cant remember now. I think i will end up trying Natures Variety. I cant see spending $70 on a 30lb bag of dog food. |
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"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"
gianni_mahopac, ny bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
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rattytatty

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| 07/09/2008 7:55 AM |
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At one time I tried the Nature's Variety Instinct (canned)... but my dogs all ended up with diarrhea, so I went back to the raw patties. (maybe it was too rich...protein-wise...for them? I don't know....) I'm comfortable with what I'm feeding (Nature's Variety raw frozen patties)... and when we are traveling to dog trials, I take the freeze dried which work well. I agree -- all this dogfood "stuff" is very confusing, so that's why I rely on people who are more knowledgeable than I am on the subject. Plus... the health and appearance of my dogs pretty much reflect the good diets they are on.... and none of my dogs have an ounce of fat on them. |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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alice4512

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| 07/09/2008 7:58 AM |
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did they mention EVO?? |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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yogis mom

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| 07/09/2008 8:11 AM |
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Yogi is just a WIERDO!
This a.m. was his first NV Raw Chick patties trial....3 medallions room temp...cut up in a little of his kibble.
He stared at it like it was globs of poison....so did the CAT. They both just sniffed and stared very suspiciously.
THEN...he removed each piece from the bowl and placed them in various places in my liv room. (I thought he was going to take them outside and bury them!) UGH!
He ate a couple of little pieces....now he is lying on the floor staring at the remaining pieces. (so is the CAT)
He gets up, looks nervously at it, and then tiptoes around it....SHEESH!!!!
Now he's lying there, staring at it again. Looking forlorn...
Glad I got the small $5 bag (13Medallions)!!!!!
I think he's just used to my flavorful cooking!!!!
If he keeps this up, maybe I'll have to season and cook it for him???? I have 10 more left!
My Labs would have inhaled that stuff!!!!!
Mr Picky is the worst!!!
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Oreo'smom

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| 07/09/2008 8:28 AM |
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Okay, this isn't related to Canidae, but to food. Oreo is on NB Duck and Potato because she was scratching horribly with Eukanuba when we got her and then didn't like California Naturals. I don't know for sure if she has an allergy. Not that I am going to, but I was wondering if you could switch to other NB formulas without tummy upset, just to see if there is a true allergy. The specialty pet food store that I got the CN from said I could alternate between the different varities, but I wasn't so sure... Anyone try this? Also, my baby is really little, she's 7 months now and weighs maybe 9 pounds. Lately she has only been eating 1/2 cup a day. She was eating a whole cup a day, but now seems to have slowed down. Is this normal or do I need to worry she isn't getting enough? |
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Carrie Mom to Oreo and skinkids Calvin and Will |
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braeli_bryson

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| 07/09/2008 8:38 AM |
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Posted By alice4512 on 07/09/2008 7:58 AM
did they mention EVO??
I asked and she frowned. I think it is made by a bad plant or something. She didnt get into it. It wa splacedw ith the "lower" quality foods on the shelf too.
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"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"
gianni_mahopac, ny bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
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alice4512

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| 07/09/2008 8:42 AM |
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I am so scared to feed no grain, I tried Solid Gold at one point becuase it was grain free and Fred didn't like it and he had very loose stool. He did not do well. After researching further I think I am going the Natures Variety Praire route. I am going to mix in some of the raw with it for "rotation". I have ordered the book Pet Food Nation and will read it and try to learn more. For now, I hope Natures Variety Prarie will be the right choice. |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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braeli_bryson

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| 07/09/2008 8:44 AM |
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Posted By Oreo'smom on 07/09/2008 8:28 AM
Okay, this isn't related to Canidae, but to food. Oreo is on NB Duck and Potato because she was scratching horribly with Eukanuba when we got her and then didn't like California Naturals. I don't know for sure if she has an allergy. Not that I am going to, but I was wondering if you could switch to other NB formulas without tummy upset, just to see if there is a true allergy. The specialty pet food store that I got the CN from said I could alternate between the different varities, but I wasn't so sure... Anyone try this?
Also, my baby is really little, she's 7 months now and weighs maybe 9 pounds. Lately she has only been eating 1/2 cup a day. She was eating a whole cup a day, but now seems to have slowed down. Is this normal or do I need to worry she isn't getting enough?
1st a pup that size should not be eating 1 CUP A DAY, unless you give her NO TREATS!
my babies are 7 mos old and weigh 12lbs. they eat 1/2 to 3/4 cup daily... with 2 baby carrots, and a kong of carrot and PB.
Natures Variety recommends switching between the "flavors" to give a wioder variety of protein sources. |
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"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"
gianni_mahopac, ny bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/09/2008 8:48 AM |
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Is she still itching with the new food? It can take 6 weeks or more until allergy symtomps from food allergy go away. I would keep her on the NB duck/potato for a while until you see the allergy itching stop. Then, after a couple of weeks on that, try adding another variety of NB or another food with just 1 or 2 additional ingredients. There are other varieties of allergy formula Natural Balance (I think there's a fish/sweet potato and venison/pea formula?). |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude at www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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alice4512

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| 07/09/2008 8:49 AM |
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Posted By braeli_bryson on 07/09/2008 8:44 AM
Posted By Oreo'smom on 07/09/2008 8:28 AM
Okay, this isn't related to Canidae, but to food. Oreo is on NB Duck and Potato because she was scratching horribly with Eukanuba when we got her and then didn't like California Naturals. I don't know for sure if she has an allergy. Not that I am going to, but I was wondering if you could switch to other NB formulas without tummy upset, just to see if there is a true allergy. The specialty pet food store that I got the CN from said I could alternate between the different varities, but I wasn't so sure... Anyone try this?
Also, my baby is really little, she's 7 months now and weighs maybe 9 pounds. Lately she has only been eating 1/2 cup a day. She was eating a whole cup a day, but now seems to have slowed down. Is this normal or do I need to worry she isn't getting enough?
1st a pup that size should not be eating 1 CUP A DAY, unless you give her NO TREATS!
my babies are 7 mos old and weigh 12lbs. they eat 1/2 to 3/4 cup daily... with 2 baby carrots, and a kong of carrot and PB.
Natures Variety recommends switching between the "flavors" to give a wioder variety of protein sources.
That's exactly what I planned to do, rotate among the prarie kibble for variety and throw some raw medallions in too. I think I am okay with my choice.
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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rattytatty

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| 07/09/2008 8:52 AM |
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I agree -- Bailey weighs 9.5 lbs and gets what is equivalent to 1/2 cup of food a day... once a day.... And yes, it is good to switch among the various flavors. |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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Oreo'smom

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| 07/09/2008 9:28 AM |
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Thanks for the good advice everyone. I feel better knowing 1/2 a cup is all she needs. I was following the bag guidelines and what the vet had said re. 1 cup per day feeding. I guess they know what they need huh? I do give her treats, but not that much. I give her Zuke's training treats (they're tiny) and an occasional bully stick since she loves to chew on pretty much everything.. She does not itch at all anymore since switching to NB. And, her coat is so shiny. I have to upload more pictures of her. I don't get on this site all too often, or email for that matter. Busy with my skin kids I guess. |
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Carrie Mom to Oreo and skinkids Calvin and Will |
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braeli_bryson

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| 07/09/2008 9:37 AM |
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| The 1st day i got bryson my vet showed me an important trick... he broke 6 small biscuits in 1/2 and put them in a measuring cup... it was exactly 1/2 cup of food. and we all know buscuits arent great contents of nutrition. thats why we do carrots now. |
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"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"
gianni_mahopac, ny bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
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rattytatty

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| 07/09/2008 10:41 AM |
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| I don't buy any commercial treats at all. I use either chicken or cheese for training purposes, and I dehydrate sweet potatoes for general treats. But I factor the treats in with the feedings. In other words... on the nights Bailey and I train... he gets only 1/4 pattie of raw food... because he gets lots of chicken instead. |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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Apollo's Mommy

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| 07/09/2008 1:00 PM |
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I went today and got a small bag of Nature's Variety Instinct Chicken Meal Formula kibble. I will start transitioning them from the Canidae to the Nature's Variety this evening for their dinner. A 4.4 lbs bag was $10.99 and I can get it at a store close to where I used to by Canidae so that's good.  |
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"You can't fix stupid." - Ron White
~ Jolene ~ Mommy to Apollo, Emma, & Indie
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JenMax

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| 07/09/2008 1:14 PM |
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YUMMY! Max likes his Nature's Variety Chicken - but it's not Instinct |
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Jenny - Max's sister
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Emg

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| 07/09/2008 5:32 PM |
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I'd also like to rotate. We'll start with either the Small Breed or the Just for Puppy (has the most amount of protein) and then maybe to the whitefish and sweet potatoe. We're going shopping tomorrow and I'm going to look at the Wellness prices at Petco. I'm going to look at the "Core" prices too, although we probably won't get it. I have no problem with most grains. Sam doesn't have grain allergies, and so long as they're high quality grains that can be mostly digested and utilized. It would be nice to mix in some of the canned food in with Sam's kibble as well. By the way, does anyone here use Orijen? It's suppose to be a top quality dog food. Hehe, I just looks at the petco website and Caeser Millan has a dog food! It actually wasn't too bad...usually 'Celebrity' dog foods have corn, by-products , menadione and all sorts of bad stuff in them like the new 'Rachael Ray' food. I still wouldn't get it because of the 'liver flavor' though. I just think it's funny for some reason. I would if they'll come out with a Victoria Stilwell dog food next... |
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Sara, Sam's mommy |
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Baileydukedavis

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| 07/09/2008 8:21 PM |
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| this is all so crazy to me.....i am still up in the air about what to switch Bailey and the pups to.....I was so excited about switching them to the canidae thinking it was SO much better for them....now I have to figure out what my next move is going to be...thanks for all the info |
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"If your dog doesn't like someone you probably shouldn't either." - Unknown
Bailey Duke Tazman Davis, Sydney Grace Davis and Chance Tazman Davis. |
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farmergurlyo

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| 07/10/2008 2:54 PM |
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| ii'm thinking i'll go with the wellness core, but on the back of the bag it said to not use it on puppies because of different heath needs... there's a wellness puppy formula instead. but does anyone here know what's the difference? why puppies and dogs need different foods? i'm so confused! lol |
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Ashley~ mommy to rattie kairi |
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braeli_bryson

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| 07/10/2008 3:10 PM |
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| imo its alll bs.. and a way to sell diofferent things and make money... but... puppy foods have more protein in them to help development and weight. older pups shouldnt have it because its harder to lose weight. thats really it... otehrwise exactly the sam. |
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"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"
gianni_mahopac, ny bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
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alice4512

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| 07/10/2008 3:16 PM |
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Right now I am torn between California Natural and Natures Select, with the leaning more toward Natures Select..........that's where I am at with this whole debackle.
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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yogis mom

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| 07/10/2008 3:32 PM |
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Posted By Emg on 07/09/2008 5:32 PM
Hehe, I just looks at the petco website and Caeser Millan has a dog food! It actually wasn't too bad...usually 'Celebrity' dog foods have corn, by-products , menadione and all sorts of bad stuff in them like the new 'Rachael Ray' food. I still wouldn't get it because of the 'liver flavor' though. I just think it's funny for some reason. I would if they'll come out with a Victoria Stilwell dog food next...
HAHA!! I know!!! Ratbones Rescue could package a safe and great Dogfood....all profits to rescue!!!
And no more angst about what food to feed the Rattie babies! 
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farmergurlyo

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| 07/10/2008 4:06 PM |
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Posted By yogis mom on 07/10/2008 3:32 PM
Posted By Emg on 07/09/2008 5:32 PM
Hehe, I just looks at the petco website and Caeser Millan has a dog food! It actually wasn't too bad...usually 'Celebrity' dog foods have corn, by-products , menadione and all sorts of bad stuff in them like the new 'Rachael Ray' food. I still wouldn't get it because of the 'liver flavor' though. I just think it's funny for some reason. I would if they'll come out with a Victoria Stilwell dog food next...
HAHA!! I know!!! Ratbones Rescue could package a safe and great Dogfood....all profits to rescue!!!
And no more angst about what food to feed the Rattie babies! 
now that's something i'd buy  |
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Ashley~ mommy to rattie kairi |
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farmergurlyo

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| 07/10/2008 4:16 PM |
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Posted By braeli_bryson on 07/10/2008 3:10 PM
imo its alll bs.. and a way to sell diofferent things and make money... but... puppy foods have more protein in them to help development and weight. older pups shouldnt have it because its harder to lose weight. thats really it... otehrwise exactly the sam.
well the core formula is grain free and has more protein than the puppy formula, so i'm leaning more towards that... i just can't see why they say to wait til they're a year old to feed the core  |
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Ashley~ mommy to rattie kairi |
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ivy

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| 07/10/2008 4:20 PM |
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Ivy is on the wellness puppy doing really good, nice coat ect... |
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farmergurlyo

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| 07/10/2008 4:25 PM |
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ivy is such a gorgeous dog what do you plan on feeding her when she gets older? do you plan on sticking to wellness? (regular or core?) |
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Ashley~ mommy to rattie kairi |
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ivy

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| 07/10/2008 4:26 PM |
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I think I want to go with core but we will see if they make changes!!! |
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pepper

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| 07/11/2008 9:21 AM |
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Pepper is trying solid gold now. FYI: I spoke with someone today that was feeding Canidae and just got a bag of the new formula. One dog broke out in a rash all over his skin, and the other one got really bad diarrhea. Stay away from it! It's confirmed junk. |
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Kristin ~ Pepper's mommy |
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ivy

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| 07/11/2008 5:44 PM |
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let us know how solid gold works that is another one I have considered for Ivy |
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