neville88

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| 07/07/2008 9:31 PM |
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I have heard only good about evo, I am so limited to what I can feed chloe,thier are sooo many foods I would love to try,but cant
shes a big baby with a bad tummy-thanks to nutro-
my ratty peanut could most likely eat the kitchen sink,lol |
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Mary-mommy to peanut,chloe,oliver,olivia,ziggy & zipper and skin adult kids-christina & jamie
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farmergurlyo

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| 07/07/2008 9:39 PM |
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poor thing (((hugs))) she's such a cutie is evo one you could/would or have tried? |
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Ashley~ mommy to rattie kairi |
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neville88

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| 07/07/2008 9:50 PM |
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| My only worry about the evo and chloe is the sprouts & herring,for her could lead to loud noises in the tummy,I didnt find that noise and rumble untill I tried wellness, now I look out for all possible noise makers,because in the end it always causes me a vet visit,and she can no longer have beef- that makes her paws,ears and armpits break out,poor chloe,oh and nothing with fish either grrr |
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Mary-mommy to peanut,chloe,oliver,olivia,ziggy & zipper and skin adult kids-christina & jamie
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farmergurlyo

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| 07/07/2008 9:53 PM |
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what kind of food can she eat? |
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Ashley~ mommy to rattie kairi |
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neville88

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| 07/08/2008 3:40 AM |
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| in the morning they get boiled chicken breasts & a little carrots and in the evening she was getting the canidae,but I have been givig them some natures recioe farm stand selects and so far so good,has pieces of dried turkey,dried apple and dried carrot,also peanut picks out all the pieces and chloe eats all the kibblle,and they wont eat the canidae anymore,a few weeks ago,they started to not eat it thats why I tried the farm stand selects,I would go thru 16 lbs a month, the one I have is the old recipe,but this new bag they just did not want to eat, these dogs have esp,lol |
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Mary-mommy to peanut,chloe,oliver,olivia,ziggy & zipper and skin adult kids-christina & jamie
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yogis mom

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| 07/08/2008 7:00 AM |
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I am confused...one brand of "WELLNESS" is full of this....menadione...artificial Vit-K. NOT a good thing and most good kibble products have eliminated it and substituted natural veggies, etc. BUT "Wellness Core " from Old Mother Hubbard, does NOT have it in the ingreds...Huh? Are there different "Wellness" brands?
I've had Yogi on Blue Buffalo stuff...their Wilderness Low Carb.
Only prob I see with it is the HIGH calories and Protein....43% protein AND almost 600 cal a cup! No wonder he's getting a wee bit pudgy (like his "mom"!)
Old Cat loves it too.
Below are links to Dogfoodproject and her advice....
www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php
www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php
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rattytatty

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| 07/08/2008 7:11 AM |
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I feed Nature's Variety raw patties. There should be a distributor close to where you live. Nature's Variety (Prairie) also makes a very high quality of kibble. |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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Ski

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| 07/08/2008 9:45 AM |
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Posted By yogis mom on 07/08/2008 7:00 AM
I am confused...one brand of "WELLNESS" is full of this....menadione...artificial Vit-K. NOT a good thing and most good kibble products have eliminated it and substituted natural veggies, etc. BUT "Wellness Core " from Old Mother Hubbard, does NOT have it in the ingreds...Huh? Are there different "Wellness" brands?
I've had Yogi on Blue Buffalo stuff...their Wilderness Low Carb.
Only prob I see with it is the HIGH calories and Protein....43% protein AND almost 600 cal a cup! No wonder he's getting a wee bit pudgy (like his "mom"!)
Old Cat loves it too.
Below are links to Dogfoodproject and her advice....
www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php
www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php
I looked at the Wellness website and didn't see menadione in any of their foods. I prefer high protein to high carbs, you just have to count calories so you don't overfeed. My Lucky lost almost 9 pounds (from almost 29 to 20 pounds) on a high protein food, Reduced Fat EVO, while maintaining muscle.
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alice4512

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| 07/08/2008 9:57 AM |
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I think I am switching to EVO also. I am so mad they are changing formulas and partnering with Diamond in any way. That's enough to send me someplace else. |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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garyjena

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| 07/08/2008 9:58 AM |
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| I love evo!! I had to change to Natural Balance Duck and Potato because of Geigh's sllergies. I like it as well. |
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www.newrattitude.org Pet Publicist, Adopt A Pet Volunteer Coordinator Database Maintenance HV and TR |
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neville88

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| 07/08/2008 10:45 AM |
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I am confused...one brand of "WELLNESS" is full of this....menadione. yes and natures recipe also has it in iit,but Im having trouble finding another brand,that she can eat,that does not have the menadone in it,I am going crazy! |
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Mary-mommy to peanut,chloe,oliver,olivia,ziggy & zipper and skin adult kids-christina & jamie
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alice4512

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| 07/08/2008 10:58 AM |
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Posted By neville88 on 07/08/2008 10:45 AM
I am confused...one brand of "WELLNESS" is full of this....menadione.
yes and natures recipe also has it in iit,but Im having trouble finding another brand,that she can eat,that does not have the menadone in it,I am going crazy!
It doesn't look like EVO has menadone in it:
http://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?id=1488 |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/08/2008 11:13 AM |
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I see the Menadione Sodium Bisulfate Complex in the Nature's Recipe but don't see it in Wellness...can someone point me to where/which Wellness product has this? Nature's Balance, Merrick, Solid Gold, Canidae, Innova/California Naturals, Wellness (from those I looked at) don't have the Menadione in them....I'm quite sure Nature's Variety doesn't have it either. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude at www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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neville88

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| 07/08/2008 11:31 AM |
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I have rsearched all of those foods and canidae was the only one she could eat without getting sick |
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Mary-mommy to peanut,chloe,oliver,olivia,ziggy & zipper and skin adult kids-christina & jamie
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braeli_bryson

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| 07/08/2008 1:54 PM |
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ok so... we are on canidea now... still have 1/2 a 50lb bag to go... so... whate better IYO... EVO or Natures Variety? those seem to be what people like other than raw. |
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"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"
gianni_mahopac, ny bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
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Apollo's Mommy

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| 07/08/2008 1:59 PM |
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OH NO!! I've fed Canidae since last years pet food recall. I've done some research on other foods including Nature's Variety but barley is listed in the top 4 ingredients in Nature's Varitety's dry Prairie kibble. I guess I am back to square one!  |
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"You can't fix stupid." - Ron White
~ Jolene ~ Mommy to Apollo, Emma, & Indie
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braeli_bryson

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| 07/08/2008 2:12 PM |
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| I THINK I AM GOING TO TRY NATURES INSTINCT DUCK AND TURKEY... it has more MEAL listings in the beggining of teh ingred than EVO... seems to be a better grade based on that. |
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"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"
gianni_mahopac, ny bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
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alice4512

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| 07/08/2008 2:22 PM |
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Posted By braeli_bryson on 07/08/2008 2:12 PM
I THINK I AM GOING TO TRY NATURES INSTINCT DUCK AND TURKEY... it has more MEAL listings in the beggining of teh ingred than EVO... seems to be a better grade based on that.
funny, I think I am going the same route, I also think I am going to do 25% raw with the kibble as well. Nora posted a good website:
http://www.naturesvariety.com/product_choices_dog
I think I will finish this bag then graduallty switch them. |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/08/2008 2:28 PM |
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| I wish I could but it would cost $28 for a 12 or 13 lb bag and then another $21 to ship it to me. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude at www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/08/2008 2:28 PM |
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| I wish I could but it would cost $28 for a 12 or 13 lb bag and then another $21 to ship it to me. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude at www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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alice4512

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| 07/08/2008 2:31 PM |
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I am thinking the Bread and Water is still the way to go............ |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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Apollo's Mommy

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| 07/08/2008 2:39 PM |
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OK. My bad. Barley is in the Prairie products but NOT the Instinct products. Sorry!
I've been looking at dog food ingredients ALL day and it's begining to run together!  |
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"You can't fix stupid." - Ron White
~ Jolene ~ Mommy to Apollo, Emma, & Indie
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/08/2008 2:50 PM |
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I know what you mean Jolene!! Maybe we should just give up and feed Ol Roy!   
(I am being sarcastic folks!) |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude at www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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yogis mom

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| 07/08/2008 3:21 PM |
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Hmmm...yeah...at least with Ole Roy we KNOW what to expect! Hehheh! Today I caved and bought Eagle Pack Holistic small breed kibble (yes, does have rice and barley in it...oh well) to mix in with the high protein Blue Wilderness he's on...I just don't think 42% protein is good 100% of the time...I ALSO got frozen Raw chicken medallions by Nature's Way and plan to rotate his feedings ...raw and dried at different feedings. (The raw medallions were not that costly at our local feed and seed. His body weight and age requires maybe 3 a feeding...)The woman who runs the store (over 40 years) is really well read re dog foods and is an avid Whole Dog Journal (?) reader..she feels keeping a dog on JUST all protein, zero carbs, leads to pancreatic and other issues down the road. (???) Could be true...dunno. Plenty of raw-only owners feed very high protein and the dogs do fine. Rice and barley grains if ground shouldn't pose any problems...nor should oats. Wheat glutens and Corn seem to be the worst for skin allergies and digestive probs. Yogi is so picky...prob will really be mad at me now! Curious to see how he takes to the Raw>?! The Dog Analysis people really like the Blue Buffalo's Blue Wilderness High Protein...and the Eagle Pack I got was # 4 on their list...RUT ROH! |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/08/2008 3:28 PM |
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Rice, barley and oats aren't a problem unless you have a VERY allergic dog like my Mayfly. They shouldn't be the bulk of the food but they certainly aren't harmful. Corn and wheat are the worst suspects for allergies...most dogs aren't as allergic as my girl. BTW I feel the same way about too much protein... |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude at www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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yogis mom

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| 07/08/2008 5:06 PM |
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I swear that Menadione was listed on a Wellness forum...maybe on Dogfoodproject...but Wellness Core was not? So am confused.
Here is an ingredient dictionary for all of us to ejukate ourselves on bag labels Actually, these are many of the ingreds used in Wellness Kibble, etc...looks like a decent product to me. Maybe some other dog food Company has a "Wellness" brand that was listed as containing menadione? I did see it listed...just cant recall where>senior moments
www.wellnesspetfood.com/dog_ingredients_dictionary.php
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Ski

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| 07/08/2008 5:41 PM |
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Posted By yogis mom on 07/08/2008 3:21 PM
Hmmm...yeah...at least with Ole Roy we KNOW what to expect! Hehheh!
Today I caved and bought Eagle Pack Holistic small breed kibble (yes, does have rice and barley in it...oh well) to mix in with the high protein Blue Wilderness he's on...I just don't think 42% protein is good 100% of the time...I ALSO got frozen Raw chicken medallions by Nature's Way and plan to rotate his feedings ...raw and dried at different feedings. (The raw medallions were not that costly at our local feed and seed. His body weight and age requires maybe 3 a feeding...)The woman who runs the store (over 40 years) is really well read re dog foods and is an avid Whole Dog Journal (?) reader..she feels keeping a dog on JUST all protein, zero carbs, leads to pancreatic and other issues down the road. (???)
Could be true...dunno. Plenty of raw-only owners feed very high protein and the dogs do fine.
Rice and barley grains if ground shouldn't pose any problems...nor should oats. Wheat glutens and Corn seem to be the worst for skin allergies and digestive probs.
Yogi is so picky...prob will really be mad at me now! Curious to see how he takes to the Raw>?!
The Dog Analysis people really like the Blue Buffalo's Blue Wilderness High Protein...and the Eagle Pack I got was # 4 on their list...RUT ROH!
My Eagle Pack Small Breed kibble doesn't have any barley in it. The NV raw medallions (chicken) are about 41% protein so I fail to see a problem with 42% protein kibble, and I've never seen a zero carb food, but 10% moisture is unnaturally dry so I do add water to it. I don't believe for a minute that protein causes pancreatitis or any other issues. If my dog had medical issues I would obviously feed him a special diet that most likely would not be high protein or high fat but that's a different thing all together.
I've read that corn is the most demonized ingredient and few dogs are actually allergic to it. The problem with corn is cheap foods using it as the main source of protein instead of a good source of carbs. Also they use feed grade corn meant for livestock, instead of ground corn that has been stored properly (no mold).
Dogfood analysis only looks at the names of ingredients and not the quality of the ingredients. For example, to me, to rate Natural Balance the same as Eagle Pack is laughable. NB has recalled food because of an ingredient that wasn't listed on the bag, which leads me to question their quality controls, they've been evasive with information and ignored emailed and mailed questions (from the dogfoodproject). On paper they may appear equal (4 stars), but if you factor in their quality, quality control, and open and honest communication, there is no question in my mind that EP is the better food. Now obviously, Natural Balance works great for plenty of dogs, but I'm tired of the bs and when a company f's up, I'm done with them. |
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Emg

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| 07/08/2008 6:03 PM |
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Natura (the company that makes Evo/Innova and other brands) has had nothing wrong that I know of. Wellness use to have menadione in their old formulas, but have since taken it out. I thought about Blue Buffalo, but I really don't trust them. I sent an email asking about their manufacturer, and all I got was literally an 'I don't know' response. I have also heard of them giving out false information to their customers. They are probably just as reliable as Diamond is. I look at dogfoodanalysis.com at times, but I really don't trust the rating anymore. I don't agree with some of the reasons why a food is 'three stars' as opposed to 'five stars' and it really doesn't look at how reputable the company is. Timber Wolf Organics got a five star rating and there have been several problems with the company. |
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farmergurlyo

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| 07/08/2008 10:02 PM |
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gosh! it took me so long to decide on canidae can't someone just be like "choose this one" lol i just want something i can trust... |
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yogis mom

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| 07/08/2008 10:14 PM |
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I agree with those who have questioned the few online "dogfood" project sites...it becomes confusing and not one can be taken as a literal "bible"...j all end up totally confusing all readers. (esp ME!)
I just got the Eagle Pack..(thought it did have barley in it...which I don't care about...Yogi LIKES barley...have made it in soups and he snorted it down...) it has rice, both white and brown...both which I have fed him in his kibble.
I still feel some carbs/ grains are not bad...and a high protein, or ALL protein, might not be great for a small breed...for larger breeds maybe and older dogs, yes.
I read the Nature's Way Chick Raw Medallion's label and "crude protein is 13%"....so I must have gotten the low protein version..???
So, combined with the Blue Wilderness mixed with the Eagle Pack and one meal the Raw, I am truly only reducing the protein by a small %... I AM reducing the amounts tho...calories.
But he should be, probably IS, the best fed doggie on the block!!!!! |
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