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LittleDog


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Newbie
07/07/2008 1:00 AM  

My rattie girl, Little Dog just turned 13 (theoretically - she was adopted as an adult from a shelter, so we aren't sure of her real age) and over the past two years she has been slowly going deaf and blind and has had some occasional issues with her equilibrium.  The vet thinks her cataracts aren't that bad, but she runs into and trips over things quite frequently.  We've made it a point to keep stuff off the floor so she won't trip and fall and up until a few months ago, she was still doing quite well going up and down the stairs, although she has occasionally missed the top or bottom step.  Recently, though, she's been having episodes that are much worse than her normal wandering aimlessly - today she fell down the stairs from the top to the bottom (we've put up a gate now) and she kept walking at strange angles and falling over onto the walls, cabinets, etc.. She's done this before, but to a much lesser degree, never falling over entirely.

We've had her on meds for doggy dementia and those seemed to help with her alertness (not staring into corners as much), but has not helped with her equilibrium.  She doesn't appear to have arthritis. She can hop and jump (she bounds accross the fields at my in-laws house, which are mostly free of obstacles, although we have to keep her in the mowed area because she fell into a hole once), but doesn't jump on furniture as much as she used to because she can't see where she's jumping and misses often, so I think she's given up.  She doesn't appear to have any joint pain, but I notice that she'll drag her left leg every so often and she frequently walks in circles around the house (not in circles like she's getting ready to lie down, just wandering in a circle from room to room on our first floor). When she's out in the yard alone for more than 20 minutes she'll start circling the perimiter in what seems to be almost a panic. She has trouble keeping her balance while eating and will get distracted, forget she's eating and look for food elsewhere in the kitchen, circle the kitchen perimeter, find the food bowl again and start eating again. She'll do this about 5 or 6 times during mealtime. Her appetite is good, and she's been tested for hypothyroid. She was slightly low on one test, but after she had her teeth cleaned and antibiotics for an infection they retested her and she was normal. She's a normal weight and when she's "exploring" outside of our yard (out at the farm or at the dog park) she enjoys herself. Even though the vet says her cataracts aren't bad, I can tell she can't see anything but what must be blurry shapes. She'll bite anything in front of her if it's within 1-2 inches of her nose - not because she's attacking it, but because she thinks it might be food. She'll take a little chomp and then make a face like, "oh, that's not food." and then turn away.  And of course, with all this confusion for her, she's not as good with the house training anymore.

Whatever she has, I doubt I have the money to fix it (I just spent 2,600 getting my 1 year old rottie a new hip and my job hasn't paid me in over a month - hooray not-for-profit world), but what I'm having trouble with is the following:

1) I'd just like to know what she's dealing with so I can properly monitor her (I'll be taking her to the vet this week to that end if I can afford whatever tests they want to run)

2) I'm not sure if she's really NOT in pain, since dogs are so stoic a lot of the time.  She doesn't "appear" to be in pain...

3) She doesn't have any hobbies (not interested in toys or chewing on bones and never has been despite my best efforts) and I feel so terrible that she spends most of her time either asleep or wandering around confused, but when we go out for walks and on "adventures" she seems to be pretty engaged and interested, even if she's not really sure where she is or what she's doing - new smells are always stimulating I guess.

I've talked to the vet about these concerns before (usually at her regular checkups) and they haven't been as helpful as I'd like. My last dog, Pokey, we put to sleep when he was 15 (and so was I - we grew up together) and he was to the point where he had lost all bowel function and was paralyzed from the waist down (this extreme condition happened quickly, over the course of a week). But it's so hard to know when it's time until the animal has maybe suffered more than they should.

I truly don't think that it's Little Dog's time yet, but I know it is probably not exceedingly far off and I'm just having trouble watching her condition deteriorate.

I'm sure there are many of you out there who have had to endure similar experiences and I'd really appreciate any advice that anyone might have to offer.

Thanks in advance,

Sonya

 

 

ivy


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
07/07/2008 1:21 AM  

Just like with Pokey you will know when it is time.  She will let you know.  For me and my 17 year old sheltie I told her years before it was time that when she stopped eating that would be her sign (she was a chow hound).  The last 2 days I tried to feed her everything she just kept looking at me like come on mom you know what to do.  Course she probably couldn't see me she had one eye and couldn't see out the other anymore.  That was the worse day of my life but I owed it to her to let her go in peace and now she is waiting on the other side of the rainbow bridge for me.  Let me repeat you will know when it is time.

NYGemma


Rattie
Rattie
07/07/2008 1:22 AM  

Sonya,

I'm so sorry you're going thru this. I just went through a similar situation with my old boy, my JRT.

He was 13 and his vision was poor. He got agitated easily. His kidneys failed and I lost him in March.

I don't have any real advice. You have her on meds. Doggy dementia is real.  Maybe trying to find a canine homeopathic doctor could help?

Sounds like you are doing all you can to keep her comfortable and preventing her from getting hurt. Dogs function with their senses: NOSE, ears, sight.

SO she probably is loving going for walks and smelling stuff. I had my old man trained to "step" down off curbs carefully on walks. He was such an awesome frisbee/ball catching dog, it was quite a heartbreak when his vision suddnely went bad.

HUGS and Luv sent to you, I know you are going thru a rough time. Just luv your girl.....

susannasmommy


Obsessed
Obsessed
07/07/2008 2:43 AM  
Just like the PP said, you will just know when its time. I can't explain how, but I promise. You will know. It will be the hardest, yet easiest decision you've probably ever made.

We had our chocolate lab, Dutch, pts in June of '07. He got sick one day and when we took him to the vet, we were informed that he'd never have any quality of life again. I looked into his big brown eyes and knew what I had to do. I immediately told the vet, "Let's do it." I knew I owed to him. There was no hesitation for me. I stayed with him until well after his heart stopped beating. I can honestly say that it was a very peaceful, beautiful moment when he left me. Of course I was heartbroken, but I was relieved for him, too. His heart wasn't sick anymore and he wasn't struggling to breath anymore. After it was over, I remember sitting up and looking at his giant, lifeless body lying there, and through my sobs, I began to smile. He had been a great companion and friend, and though they were his last, I'd just shared with him what were the most beautiful and special moments of his life. It was an honor for me to be there with him and comfort him.

Big hugs to you. I can't imagine how it hurts you to see her declining like that and not really being able to do much for her. You will know in your heart when the time comes. Until then, just keep loving her like there's no tomorrow.

Tabitha
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Bratty Ratty
Bratty Ratty
07/07/2008 5:29 AM  
Oh this thread is so sad! I've got tears in my eyes and I just want to cry. These kind of decisions are just heartbreaking, but I know that you will do what you think is best. I think that I would cry every day just watching LittleDog. Please know that you and your family are in my prayers.

Kim, owned by one sweet Rattie and a house full of parrots
Katie'sMom


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
07/07/2008 6:51 AM  
I agree with the above posts. I've had several dogs reach old age (because I'm older myself) and I always seem to know when the time is right -- a better way to put it, I think, the dog lets you know when the time is right. I remember with one specific dog we were going through problems and I had her at the vets and we all knew the "time" was approaching. He went back to get her some medication to send her home for a few more days, Misty looked up at me and I knew what she was saying -- "it's time, I'm tired". I just knew. You will know too. Just trust your instincts and your dog. It's a sad thing and a hard thing you are going through and my heart goes out to you. But, you will know.

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braeli_bryson


Ratastic
Ratastic
07/07/2008 7:14 AM  
I am sorry you have to go through this... she sounds just lik emy shih tzu princess over the last 3-4 years (we just laid her to rest). her sense of sight, hearing and smell all left her so she was lost to the world... would lose balance and have troubvle standing... would walk in circles, bump into everything. sh ewould fall over while eating, peeing, pooping... it was tough to watch... but even the vet said she is pain free. we let her be. then her internals gave out on her and she had to be PTS. RIP my little lady. she would have been 19 yrs in Oct.

"No one knows YOU better than YOU!"

gianni_mahopac, ny
bryson: pearl tri color | braeli: chocolate tri color.
Yukon Cornelius


Ratastic
Ratastic
07/07/2008 8:22 AM  

Just to add to what has already been said here, you might want to have your little one checked for canine peripheral vestibular syndrome.  It may be a cause of the unsteadiness.  It's true that they let you know when it's time for them to leave.   


We'll have to outwit the fiend with our superior intelligence.

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Baileydukedavis


Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
07/07/2008 8:07 PM  
I am so sorry....I also have tears in my eyes. I have never had to put a dog to sleep before so my heart goes out to you. You are in my thoughts and prayers!

"If your dog doesn't like someone you probably shouldn't either." - Unknown

Bailey Duke Tazman Davis, Sydney Grace Davis, Chance Tazman Davis and Gracie Mae Davis
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Terrier Terror
Terrier Terror
07/07/2008 8:28 PM  
As it has been said before you will know! Mine was a 14 year old German Shepard, blind, deaf, skinny, with bald patches and very shakey.. Yet with every word, pet or kiss from me he waged his tail. I don't know how many people told me I was being mean to keep him alive, yet I knew for some reason it wasn't time yet. I did however discover what made me know...it was his tail.. the day it stopped and he look up in to my eyes was the day I did the only thing I could do for "MY HEART DOG".
you will get your sign and YOU WILL KNOW. Don't worry about the future, revel in the present!

There is no joy greater than being owned by a Rattie!!
cat
Philo


Ratastic
Ratastic
07/07/2008 9:45 PM  
On the positive side, I've come across two totally bind dogs in my life. One was a dachshund, Duchess I believe was her name. She was not only blind but a drunk, would pester you until you gave her some beer. I have a couple of photos of her somewhere, one with her dragging around this rawhide bone almost as big a her, and other is her passed out in my passed out lap. She had no problem stumbling around the house. Her people said they just didn't move the furniture. Recently I met a woman with a little blind poddle-Tinkerbell. She adopted Tink from a blind dog rescue organization. Tink was comfortable moving around on her leash and I saw her piddle in the parking lot, no biggie.

Little Dog's equillibrium is probably related to her developing deafness and she might learn to compensate. While they can't tell you what they are feeling you probably can see it in her face. If there are things that she seems to enjoy then she hasnt' given up yet. Wandering the house might be, in part, her relearning the layout. If she can't keep up with her changing life because of dementia issues then it's gong to be really tough. If she becomes completely deaf and blind you'd have to keep her on a leash almost all the time. I would like to think this is something Little Dog can work through.

Cameo & Rattagan's Dad
Foster Dad to Zip (Zippy, Zipper) and Cricket
(aka Philo)

"Beauty such as this is a gift, and I'm often in awe of this world we've been given." Mrs Bonnie
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