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yogis mom

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| 05/30/2008 3:30 PM |
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I am certain the constant shots, as well as their junky food killed my Labs...aged them prematurely and may have been behind the cancer.
I've been reading many different science/vet articles and many experts are (using logic) challenging the Pharmaceuticals (who else! all about big $$$$!) and the Vets who use shots as a way to get your pet in. WE (even as children) don't have shots annually!
Interesting read:
leerburg.com/vaccinosis.htm
I think this is something we might all start challenging our vets about.
"Vaccinosis" is real and Vets are very aware of it...
This trainer ( Frawley) , raises Champion police/military dogs and refuses to vaccinate any of his, OR release them to owners who do.
I remember on this site there were a few concerned rattie owners...esp concerning Vaccines and liver damage...?
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Ski

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Emg

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| 05/30/2008 3:52 PM |
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| There's actually concern in human medicine that too many shots in early life are causing medical problems. They're starting to link 'vaccinosis' to autism in people! |
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Erinj09

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| 05/30/2008 4:03 PM |
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| do you mean no vaccinations ever? or do you mean after the first vaccines you dont need to repeat? i would think that all dogs would end up getting parvo if they didnt get that vaccine... |
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Proud owner of a rat terrier resides here. Kahlua is my new puppy,Olive is my kitty-kat, Oh and 3 fish (Bonnie, Indiana Jones, and Rafiki) lol I love my animals hehe
"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take...but by the moments that take our breath away" |
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SuzieRedhead

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| 05/30/2008 4:15 PM |
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I don't know who's "junky food" is being referred to - but I think everybody at some point has fed their dogs less than desirable food because of ignorance. I did it. Then I had a dog die from cancer, and I did extensive research and found out how junky some foods really are. Now I feed only what I consider the best, and only foods that are recommended by Whole Dog Journal - a publication that relies solely on subscriptions and not commercials or sales by any outside influences.
My dogs see 2 vets regularly. One that treats traditionally. One that treats holistically. My traditional vet is more than supportive of my wanting to treat both ways.
Regarding vaccines, let me tell everybody a little story:
I had a rabid skunk get into my fenced-in yard a couple years ago. A 6 foot, wooden privacy fence that has maybe 2 inches from the ground for anything to get in…….. but this critter got in anyway. I let my dogs out, and as I was getting a cup of coffee for myself, so I could join them outside, I heard a terrible ruckus. My Sandy and Snoopy was tearing this skunk apart. The county animal control guy actually lived in my neighborhood, which I learned that day…. and once I finally got all 5 dogs back into the house, I heard a BANG and saw a village cop put the gun back into his holster. The skunk was brought in for testing and it tested positive for rabies. I keep my dogs up to date on ALL their vaccinations – THANK GOD…. and no amount of stats will stop me. I also had to go through rabies vaccinations, which were not fun, as I came in contact with the blood and guts of that skunk while trying to pull my dogs away, who were also covered in skunk blood and guts. What was my alternative? Take the risk of contracting rabies and dying a horrible, painful death? I don’t think so………… I actually had my dogs revaccinated the next day to be sure they were all safe.
My holistic vet recommends titer testing, but I won’t do it until my dogs get older and have had a chance to build up their immunity. Of course, Sasha at age 19 was immune to everything from years of vaccinations. With her, I was careful. But she was regularly vaccinated and she STILL lived to 19. AND she did not start having liver/kidney/pancreas issues until she was 17 or so.
AND one more thing – my Sandy contracted Leptospirosis a few years ago – and was NOT vaccinated against it. Of course, she doesn’t need a vaccine now, but she was dang lucky she lived through it….
Everybody is entitled to their opinions and can support ANY believe they have with some type of statistic. People have to do what they believe is best for their pets. It's not right or wrong - to vaccinate or to not vaccinate - because there will be stats to support either position...
JMHO of course.......
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Sue Carello, Scotia, NY (near Albany) Ratbone Rescues Fostermom, etc... www.ratbonerescues.com Fostermom to Oh Mickey and Prince Ratbone
Who do YOU GoodSearch/GoodShop for? Go to www.goodsearch.com and type in Ratbone Rescues! |
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alice4512

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| 05/30/2008 4:36 PM |
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Sue,
I have to share somewhat of a similar story. When we first took Fred to some JRT races we got him vacinated with Bortella for Kennel cough, Thank God, we had to stop on the way back from a trip to Baltimore to pull and transport a dog who had kennel cough. If Fred wouldn't have been vaccinated I don't know if he would have gotten it or not but I am glad I didn't have to find out. I am with you, I vaccinate. JMO |
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~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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Emg

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| 05/30/2008 4:39 PM |
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I think it's just over vaccinating your pets that can be dangerous. Rabies is a must, especially for my dog, Sue, because we live in the Northeast and rabies is quite common. Also...it's the law. But there are some vaccines out there that are practically useless and are not that affective, and there are those that protect against diseases that aren't really all that deadly. Some vaccines, like the one for Parvo, is believed to last through the dog's lifetime, and doesn't need to be administered every year unlike how some vets recommend (they're currently studing this, though...some people argue that the shot only protects your dog for a little over 7 years)
I guess it's up to the individual, and were he/she lives. |
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yogis mom

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| 05/31/2008 12:15 AM |
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On the vaccines...we had an incident on the island of a rabid coon attacking a woman's Golden while walking one eve..the dog's Rabies vacs were outdated because he was 12 and she felt they were injurous.....the COUNTY took her dog and had him euthanized because his Rabies were outdated (nightmare!)....so...what do you do!?!
On Bordatello (sp?) ...kennel cough is a COLD, and usually not dangerous unless small sick pups or ill...AND there are many strains of it and the innoculation is for only a few strains as well as not effective for a few weeks....like, before a show you are supposed to get that innoculation..HUH?
It doesn't take effect for 2-3 weeks.
it's a SCAM..by the Pharm Corps. To scare you into paying BIG BUCKS every year.
Have the test to see if your pet has immunities...if yes, no shots.
I told my vet that with Yogi...and lo and behold...SHE agreed!!!! |
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Erinj09

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| 05/31/2008 1:56 AM |
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| wow that is so sad! i wouldnt know what to do if the country tried to euthenize (kill) my dog, i feel so bad that your friend had to go through that... |
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Proud owner of a rat terrier resides here. Kahlua is my new puppy,Olive is my kitty-kat, Oh and 3 fish (Bonnie, Indiana Jones, and Rafiki) lol I love my animals hehe
"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take...but by the moments that take our breath away" |
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swatson6

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| 05/31/2008 9:03 AM |
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Sue, while I do see where you are coming from I have to politely disagree. It is a risk/benefit kind of thing. Do I think all dogs should get puppy and 1 year boosters? Yes. After that I do NOT believe we should be vaccinating annually. It is overkill and just taxes their immune system too much. I think at the most we should be doing 3 year vaccinations on healthy dogs. Rabies, well that is dofferent and mandated by law. Unless you have a horribly immune compromised dog, I would go with that one. ANY immune compromised dog in my mind should not be vaccinated after the 1 year boosters. The immune systems are activated by vaccines, they then produce antibodies against a disease. These are something that is not going to get any better or stronger just because we do it over and over. Lepto is particulary harsh to these little dogs, and in all honesty, because of the limited strains covered, Sandy most likely would have still contracted it even if she was vaccinated. I could go on for hours on this subject! lol I agree with Ski though on Dr. Jean Dodds and her protocol. |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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Emg

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| 05/31/2008 9:20 AM |
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| I completely agree Sarah! |
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Sara, Sam's mommy |
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Ski

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| 05/31/2008 11:43 AM |
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Posted By yogis mom on 05/31/2008 12:15 AM
On the vaccines...we had an incident on the island of a rabid coon attacking a woman's Golden while walking one eve..the dog's Rabies vacs were outdated because he was 12 and she felt they were injurous.....the COUNTY took her dog and had him euthanized because his Rabies were outdated (nightmare!)....so...what do you do!?!
On Bordatello (sp?) ...kennel cough is a COLD, and usually not dangerous unless small sick pups or ill...AND there are many strains of it and the innoculation is for only a few strains as well as not effective for a few weeks....like, before a show you are supposed to get that innoculation..HUH?
It doesn't take effect for 2-3 weeks.
it's a SCAM..by the Pharm Corps. To scare you into paying BIG BUCKS every year.
Have the test to see if your pet has immunities...if yes, no shots.
I told my vet that with Yogi...and lo and behold...SHE agreed!!!!
That is very sad about the Golden. I believe though, the vaccination should be given, and that you must follow your local laws reguarding the rabies vax, unless you can get a waiver and know that the dog will never be exposed to rabies. I've mentioned before that I had to call 5 or 6 vets before I found one that offered the 3 year rabies vaccine. I also have to insist during every visit that I don't want any other vaccinations.
Kris Christine is working very hard to get rabies vax laws changed around the country, and is conducting tests that hope to determine the duration of immunity of the rabies vaccine. Her site, http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/ explains their goal of extending the interval between rabies vaccines to 5, and eventually, 7 years.
As far as the bordetella vaccine, I think most vets recommend the nasal type that takes effect in about 48 hours. I don't ever get it because my dogs are never boarded. |
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Erinj09

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| 05/31/2008 12:20 PM |
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the lady i have been talking to, prefers to vaccinate her puppies at about 12 weeks, becasuse of the mothers immunities that the puppies recieve. theres a time between 8 weeks and 12 weeks when the mothers immunities were off but since its different with each puppy and no one knows when that is so its the safest to wait till the 12 weeks and just be careful during that time. has anyone ever heard of this? and does anyone aggree or disagree with it? i would love to hear your opinios, but be nice ~Erin |
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Proud owner of a rat terrier resides here. Kahlua is my new puppy,Olive is my kitty-kat, Oh and 3 fish (Bonnie, Indiana Jones, and Rafiki) lol I love my animals hehe
"Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take...but by the moments that take our breath away" |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 05/31/2008 2:28 PM |
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I think more and more the protocol for vaccines is going to be based on what you and your vet decide for your specific dog....after the puppy shots and one year booster of course. I didn't get Mayfly any shots but rabies this year because she has such bad allergies....and they kicked in after a couple of years of annual vaccines. Her immune system doesn't need anymore stimulation. I made the decision to only vaccinate her every other year with the regular vaccines and my vet agreed. (As I said though she did get the rabies vaccine - that is a legal requirment and animal control can take your dog if they're bitten and you don't have a current rabies tag!) |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude at www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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