jingebri

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| 07/06/2007 8:45 AM |
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Well as soon as I get home (im out of town, right now) I'm gonna look at the ingredients. But I figured it wasn't the best, I just dont have the money to buy the good food because im a poor college student....haha! But maybe I will find something inexpensive that is good for him. Thanks for that website |
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swatson6

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| 07/06/2007 8:57 AM |
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| First start is to stay away from buying food at a grocery store or a store like Walmart/Target. Most of these don't carry anything worthwhile. Even on a limited bdget you can find a decent food. You have to remember also that your dog is small and whatever food you buy is going to last awhile so the overall cost is fairly little. You don't have to go top of the line, but using the site Ski mentioned, you should still be able to find an affordable decent food. Purina, Pedigree etc. are all full of fillers and not very nutritional at all. Good Luck!! |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/06/2007 9:49 AM |
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When I got my first rattie pup I fed Purina One - didn't know any better until I educated myself with the help of members on this board. I thought it would cost too much to feed good food. BUT even though quality food does cost more my dogs don't eat as much...they get filled up quicker on the good ingredients instead of just eating a ton of corn so it really doesn't cost anymore to feed some kinds of high quality food.
Here's the link to the ingredients in Purina puppy chow: http://www.longliveyourdog.com/products/PuppyChowCompleteNutrition.aspx
Ingredients
Whole grain corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, brewers rice, soybean meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), pearled barley, calcium phosphate, fish oil, calcium carbonate, animal digest, salt, potassium chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, choline chloride, zinc sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, DL-Methionine, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, brewers dried yeast, manganese sulfate, manganese proteinate, added color (Red 40, Yellow 5, Blue 2), niacin, Vitamin A supplement, copper sulfate, calcium pantothenate, copper proteinate, garlic oil, pyridoxine hydrochloride, Vitamin B-12 supplement, thiamine mononitrate, Vitamin D-3 supplement, riboflavin supplement, calcium iodate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude at www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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jingebri

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| 07/07/2007 5:49 PM |
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| So I found some food at work and brought it home. It is Wellness Super5Mix. So I'm mixing his Purina little bites in with that for now, he seems to really like the new stuff. Anyone use it/hear anything about it? |
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swatson6

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NellBell25

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| 07/07/2007 6:20 PM |
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I agree, I was looking at the ingredients and I've also heard good things about this food. I haven't tried it myself except for the lamb and chicken treats. We just tried our first Organic Sweet Potato frozen yogurt treat from the local pet store/bakery. I highly recommend these if you can find them where you live, he loved it and it really cooled him down! It was in a dixie cup and had a rawhide stick as a handle so I could pull it out and hold it while he licked it (I know rawhide's not the best thing to give so I didn't let him have that part it just made a good handle!) |
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nycmom

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| 07/07/2007 6:58 PM |
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| I haven't had the time to do this lately, but each of my vets used to praise me for doing this. I used to cook a big pot of rice and chicken (boiled chicken until it fell off of the bones). Not only was it filling, and healthy, but it really didn't cost much at all. |
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swatson6

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| 07/07/2007 7:35 PM |
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Posted By nycmom on 07/07/2007 6:58 PM
I haven't had the time to do this lately, but each of my vets used to praise me for doing this. I used to cook a big pot of rice and chicken (boiled chicken until it fell off of the bones). Not only was it filling, and healthy, but it really didn't cost much at all.
Jack loved it when he had an upset tummy. Did you do this as a treat?
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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nycmom

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| 07/07/2007 8:46 PM |
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| No, I used to use it as the main meal. White rice is so inexpensive, as it chicken parts. I used to just whip up a batch of rice and boil the chicken, using the broth to flavor the rice. Potatoes were sometimes added to the stew as a change. |
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swatson6

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| 07/08/2007 9:00 AM |
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| It is a great source of carbs and protein, but without other added supplements it is not a fully nutritional food for the long term. Works wonders when the have and upset belly though!! Jack would probably eat it till he popped LOL |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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nycmom

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| 07/08/2007 9:55 AM |
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Posted By swatson6 on 07/08/2007 9:00 AM
It is a great source of carbs and protein, but without other added supplements it is not a fully nutritional food for the long term. Works wonders when the have and upset belly though!! Jack would probably eat it till he popped LOL
Hmmm, glad you told me that, because my vets had me thinking that I was doing the right thing and the pups didn't need anything in addition.
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swatson6

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| 07/08/2007 10:02 AM |
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| I just think a supplement is needed also?? Maybe Ski knows? |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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nycmom

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| 07/08/2007 1:13 PM |
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Posted By swatson6 on 07/08/2007 10:02 AM
I just think a supplement is needed also?? Maybe Ski knows?
I'm not sure. You may know more than I.
I just recall an older vet that we used to go to saying that when dogs are in the wild, they eat a strict protein only diet and that when
we introduced grains into their diet we messed the up *shrugging shoulders in confusion*
Ski - where are you? We need some dog food help  |
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usangel


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| 07/08/2007 1:56 PM |
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Hi Bonita,
I read alot of receipies, but I just cook real food. Just be sure they get 60% protein, 20% starch, and 20% veggies. For protein, I use cheap hamburger (dogs need some fat), or liver, or white fish (no breading). To the liver and fish, i add some oil. For starch, I cook up some rice or oatmeal. For veggies, Buster really likes broccoli, and green beans the best. Don't use any seasoning except a little garlic (for the fleas). Most of all don't use salt, it is bad for dogs.
I've read some receipies for doggie treats, but I haven't tried them yet. He still has some that I got from the Vet for his teeth.
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usangel


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| 07/08/2007 2:08 PM |
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Our Vet didn't approve of a homemade diet. She said that it's hard to make sure they are getting the proper nutrition. But Buster's energy level is so much better since we switched. My sister in law, who worked for a vet for 20 years, is also doing the homemake meals for her pug. But we did add 1/2 a childrens vitamin everyother day, just to be sure. I did discove that he is alergic to poultry, Everytime i fed him chicken or eggs a couple of days, he threwup or had "the runs." Live and learn.  |
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nycmom

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| 07/08/2007 3:17 PM |
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| Thanks usangel. I'm going to try your recommendation using meats, rich/oatmeal and veggies. Since I have to cook anyway, may as well cook up a little extra for the babes. |
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swatson6

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| 07/08/2007 6:50 PM |
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My only suggestion for making your own diet for your pups is to at least invest in a multivitamin supplement for dogs. They have different needs than us. Good Luck guys!!!! |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/09/2007 7:23 AM |
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Posted By nycmom on 07/08/2007 1:13 PM
Posted By swatson6 on 07/08/2007 10:02 AM
I just think a supplement is needed also?? Maybe Ski knows?
I'm not sure. You may know more than I.
I just recall an older vet that we used to go to saying that when dogs are in the wild, they eat a strict protein only diet and that when
we introduced grains into their diet we messed the up *shrugging shoulders in confusion*
Ski - where are you? We need some dog food help 
I think the problem occurs when they get too much grain - like the foods that use corn as a primary ingredient. Also, I've read where wolves/wild dogs do eat other things beside meat in the wild but one thing you need to remember about "living in the wild": they don't live as long that way as they do as domestic dogs!
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude at www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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nycmom

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| 07/09/2007 9:40 AM |
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Thank you Mitzy. I never knew that about dogs in the wild. I got the green light from a "professional" and thought I was doing a good job. Whodathunkit? |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/09/2007 11:29 AM |
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Posted By nycmom on 07/09/2007 9:40 AM
Thank you Mitzy. I never knew that about dogs in the wild. I got the green light from a "professional" and thought I was doing a good job. Whodathunkit?
I know what you mean but then again - many vets recommend Science Diet! |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude at www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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jnette

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| 07/14/2007 1:53 PM |
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Posted By Mitzy's Mom on 07/09/2007 11:29 AM
Posted By nycmom on 07/09/2007 9:40 AM
Thank you Mitzy. I never knew that about dogs in the wild. I got the green light from a "professional" and thought I was doing a good job. Whodathunkit?
I know what you mean but then again - many vets recommend Science Diet!
UH-oh ! Is SCIENCE DIET not good?
That's what I've been giving Minnie this week.. was given to us from the lady who owned her when she gave us the pup.
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Ski

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| 07/14/2007 5:28 PM |
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Posted By jnette on 07/14/2007 1:53 PM
Posted By Mitzy's Mom on 07/09/2007 11:29 AM
Posted By nycmom on 07/09/2007 9:40 AM
Thank you Mitzy. I never knew that about dogs in the wild. I got the green light from a "professional" and thought I was doing a good job. Whodathunkit?
I know what you mean but then again - many vets recommend Science Diet!
UH-oh ! Is SCIENCE DIET not good?
That's what I've been giving Minnie this week.. was given to us from the lady who owned her when she gave us the pup.
It really isn't very good, especially for what they charge for it. I guess a case could be made for the prescription food, to address certain problems, but on a temporary basis. I prefer to feed something that actually contains meat. You can do some reading about ingredients at www.dogfoodproject.com
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mgguy

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| 07/17/2007 12:37 AM |
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| What are a few good dry food brands for rat terriers? |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/17/2007 7:28 AM |
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Posted By mgguy on 07/17/2007 12:37 AM
What are a few good dry food brands for rat terriers?
Canidae, Innova, Natural Balance, Merrick, Wellness, Solid Gold - there are more but those are a few. Foods that don't have corn or wheat in them or preservatives or dyes. You won't find these at grocery stores or WalMart or PetSmart though. Most of the foods have websites where you can key in your zip code and find places in your area that carry them. Many places will give you samples of the food so you can try it before purchasing a whole bag. 
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude at www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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rattytatty

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| 07/17/2007 9:31 AM |
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| I feed Nature's Variety... rotate between the Salmon & Brown Rice medley (kibble) and raw.... |
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mgguy

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| 07/22/2007 1:41 AM |
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| Thanks for the suggestions. I will look into these brands to see what they contain. What are the opinions about Kirkland brand dry dog food? The ingredients look very nutritious, with lamb as the main meat source. It doesn't have corn and I don't think it has wheat, but it does have rice. Our vet doctor said it was a good food choice. Also, Nikki (pictured), our rat terrier, has been eating it for awhile and has a lot of energy and is very healthy. Also, I've noticed that a lot of the home recipes suggested on the internet have wheat in them. Is this always bad, even in small to moderate amounts? |
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Mitzy's Mom

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| 07/22/2007 6:51 AM |
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MGGUY - wheat is not "bad" for dogs (unless they're allergic) but is sometimes used as a cheap filler. And there isn't much nutritional value for dogs in it....just like corn. Most dry foods have some sort of grain in them but rice, oatmeal, barley, etc. are better bets...oatmeal and barley have more protein in them (going on my horse feeding experience there). Also, I don't what homemade recipes you're referring to so I can't speak to those....some are good and some are only good for treats once in a while. Can't find the ingredients of the Kirkland dog food anywhere (which is odd)....but Kirkland canned was part of the recall and it is made by Diamond which has a bad record of recalls. |
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Mary Beth, mom to the Lollipop Kids
Georgia Foster Mom, New Rattitude at www.newrattitude.org Pics of my current fosters: http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/caradoc http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/willow http://imageevent.com/newrattitude/fiona
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jingebri

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| 07/22/2007 9:24 PM |
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I'm switching Izzy from Little Bites to Canidae (about half and half right now) and he's reeeeeeeeal gassy  |
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-Jen- mama to Izzy |
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swatson6

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| 07/23/2007 9:13 AM |
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| Could still be the little bites. It can take a little bit for their system to adjst and settle down. |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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