spence9118

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| 05/20/2008 12:52 PM |
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So I just bought a 3 lb. bag of the little patties of the Chicken raw food from Natures Variety. And I am not sure how much I should feed Charlie and Tucker. I am mixing it with Canidae so I wont have to spend as much money. I just dont know if Im feeding them enough...Tucker gets one pattie and a half a cup of food but he still acts like he is starving, he will eat the patties in two bites! He is almost 7 months old now and weighs almost 20 lbs. Charlie on the other hand gets one pattie and about 1/4 cup kibble but he is tiny at only 7 lbs. so I think he is getting enough. Does that sound like its the right amount? The lady at the store where I buy my dog food just said to start them out at one a day with some kibble.
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Erica- Charlie and Tucker's Mommy
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swatson6

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| 05/20/2008 12:59 PM |
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I am sure Nora can help with this one as she feeds it, but their website says 8.4oz of raw for a 20lb dog. The patties are 8oz so I would say with 1/2 cup food he is getting more than enough, if not too much food. You could try adding green beans to break it up a little and add some bulk. |
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Sarah Mom to Jack, Jeter and foster mom to Teagan
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spence9118

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| 05/20/2008 1:03 PM |
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| Thanks! Geeze Tucker is just a pig so im sure he would eat the green beans but Charlie is sooo picky, who knows Charlie has been a little less picky since Tucker came because he has learned if he doesnt eat it Tucker will! |
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Erica- Charlie and Tucker's Mommy
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spence9118

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| 05/20/2008 4:41 PM |
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| Oops... I just realized they are actually getting the 1 oz. Medalions not the patties! |
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Erica- Charlie and Tucker's Mommy
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Teddy's Mom

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| 05/21/2008 7:21 AM |
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| Go to the website. They have a How to Feed page. One thier you can pick how much % of raw and % of kibble to feed per weight of dog depending on how active they are. You will want to pick how much your dog should weight not his actual weight if he's overweight or under weight. Teddy is 18 lbs and needs to get down to about 13 so he gets 3 to 3 1/2 medallions a day per feeding. It really helped me out. |
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Teddy's Mom

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| 05/21/2008 7:26 AM |
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I just went on thier and put both dogs as active and a 50/50 ratio of raw/kibble. Tucker should get 7/8 cup kibble and 4 medallions a day split into two meals. Charlie should get 3/8 cup kibble and 2 medallions a day split into two meals. Hope that helps. Here is the website that takes you too the How to feed page. http://www.naturesvariety.com/ifc.lasso?r=072647 |
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Teddy's Mom

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| 05/21/2008 7:29 AM |
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| I just started Teddy on an all raw diet. Remi and Sampson get kibble but I might end up switching them to raw diet later. All 3 get 1 raw soup bone a week instead of rawhides. Hope this helps. There site recommends rotating between kibble, raw for variety and balance. But I would think if you feed a combo of kibble/raw it would be the same thing and save money. Teddy LOVES raw. |
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Teddy's Mom

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| 05/21/2008 7:30 AM |
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| Oh and if you contact them they might send you a coupon for buy one bag get one bag free. I've gotten two so far this year. |
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gwacie

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| 05/21/2008 7:38 AM |
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| So when you write them what to do you say that is winning you the coupons? Hey NV, gimme a coupon? lol. Seriously, what's the trick? |
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gwacie (Bethany) My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ Rescue: http://www.newrattitude.org |
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rattytatty

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| 05/21/2008 8:26 AM |
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| Yes... their website will give guidelines as to how much to feed. It depends on the weight of your dog, and of course.. you'll need to take the activity level of your dog into consideration also. Bailey gets twice as much as my other dogs because of his activity level.. and he's STILL thin. |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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rattytatty

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| 05/21/2008 8:27 AM |
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| Forgot to mention that I often mix green beans in with the raw for my older dogs as a low calorie, nutritious filler. |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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Ski

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| 05/21/2008 10:37 AM |
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I would count the total number of calories you're feeding them. You can use the two calculators in the link to get a basic idea of the number of calories needed.
http://www.mycockerspaniel.com/mer.htm
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yogidiogi

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| 05/21/2008 12:11 PM |
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| I had heard that you shouldn't feed raw and kibble in the same meal because they digest at different rates? I used to feed half and half and fed raw in the morning and kibble at night, does anyone know if there is any truth to this? |
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alice4512

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| 05/21/2008 12:40 PM |
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This is kind of confusing, do you buy raw food or do you make it?
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
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gwacie

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| 05/21/2008 12:50 PM |
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I do both Val (buy prefab raw and make my own). And I have fed kibble with raw mixed on many occasions, esp. when transitioning a dog. No one seemed to have a problem with it. Kind of like saying you should have a raw salad along with a cooked meal.... |
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gwacie (Bethany) My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ Rescue: http://www.newrattitude.org |
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rattytatty

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| 05/21/2008 12:51 PM |
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| I purchase it. They are patties (look like hamburger patties)... 12 of them in a sleeve. Some people make their own (Gwacie does...) but I choose to purchase them ready-made for convenience purposes. |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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rattytatty

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| 05/21/2008 12:52 PM |
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| I have mixed them too.... never had a problem. I did this when I was transitioning to raw. But the kibble I fed was the Nature's Variety brand. |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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yogidiogi

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| 05/21/2008 1:14 PM |
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| I did it as well when transitioning at the advice of the vet who got him started on raw. I was just curious if anyone else had heard such a thing, I'd heard it from several people on another board but not my holistic vet who I do trust. |
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gwacie

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| 05/21/2008 1:29 PM |
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| So what was the logic in their argument to feed kibble and raw meals separately? Now I'm curious (though doubtful). |
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gwacie (Bethany) My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ Rescue: http://www.newrattitude.org |
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gwacie

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| 05/21/2008 1:29 PM |
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| So what was the logic in their argument to feed kibble and raw meals separately? Now I'm curious (though doubtful). |
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gwacie (Bethany) My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ Rescue: http://www.newrattitude.org |
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alice4512

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| 05/21/2008 1:59 PM |
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Where do you get these products?? |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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rattytatty

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| 05/21/2008 2:02 PM |
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Actually, Gwacie... my Nature's Variety distributor, who also does agility with her dogs and feeds raw (and who is very knowledgeable concerning canine nutrition)... says not to mix them. I told her I had mixed them during the transition period. She told me I should have switched to raw cold turkey after 24 hours of fasting. (I guess I didn't think to ask that question at the time).
She explained that kibble and raw food are digested differently, and so should never be fed together, in the same meal. If you feed dry kibble at the same meal as the raw meat, you are increasing the amount of time the food is in the body, and increasing the possibility of illness from bacteria. I did not know this, but she said it can be confusing to the dog's body when trying to digest kibble which pulls moisture from the body to digest it. Moisture is supplied with a raw natural diet. When carbohydrates and proteins are eaten at the same time, the protein enzymes go to work first, and the digestion of carbohydrates must wait. While the carbohydrates are waiting around to be digested, they ferment and release toxins in the body. So she told me that if I felt I needed to feed both... to feed kibble one meal and the raw natural diet the next meal.
Edited to add: (I took this from an email she sent to me...it's not my explanation). She has taken numerous canine nutrition courses and from my perspective is the expert in the field -- not me! But now I don't mix them. Hubby doesn't like to fool with the raw, so when he feeds them (if I'm not home) he feeds the Nature's Variety Salmon & Brown Rice kibble... but he feeds the kibble only.
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rattytatty

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| 05/21/2008 2:03 PM |
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Val... here's a website for Nature's Variety. You can check to see if there is a distributor near you.
http://www.naturesvariety.com/
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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alice4512

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| 05/21/2008 2:13 PM |
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They carry it at the store I get the Canidae from. so now what do I do? I only feed Fred the medallions? Is it all soft food or will there be kibble to help clean his teeth too? |
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The great pleasure of a dog is that you may make a fool of yourself with him and not only will he not scold you, but he will make a fool of himself too
~Mom to my good boy Fred and my crazy girl Alice~ Proud applications coordinator for Ratbone Rescue |
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rattytatty

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| 05/21/2008 2:19 PM |
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You'll find that by feeding raw...it helps with the dental issue. It also helps with the breath issue! And... as an added bonus, the dogs don't poop nearly as often! You can always give your dogs raw bones to chew on... or bully sticks... (Nature's Variety has great bully sticks)... to help.
If I were you and you are going to switch. I'd feed both dogs the same thing -- either the patties or the medallions. They have crushed bone in them too btw. The patties are the same consistency as hamburger meat.
What I do is... purchase a sleeve of 12 patties. I take the frozen patties out of the sleeve and put each pattie in a ziplock bag. I put the ziplock bags in the freezer. I put two in the refrigerator to thaw out overnight and by the next evening they thawed and ready to feed. When I feed the two thawed patties, I then take two more out of the freezer and put them in the refrigerator for the next night (I only feed once a day). This is how I do it. It is advised not to microwave them.... |
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~Nora~ Mom to Hoss, Lil'Bit, Buster & Bailey, CGC, OA, OAJ |
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gwacie

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| 05/21/2008 2:34 PM |
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| Interesting reasoning Nora, thanks for posting that! I always fill up their bowls with water too, esp if there is kibble - I have a couple of very fast eaters and it slows them down. Maybe the extra water kept their from being a problem. Plus I never fed any high carb kibble, only grain free high protein. Anyway, good info. |
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Teddy's Mom

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| 05/21/2008 4:45 PM |
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| Hey Nora is it better to feed once a day or twice a day? I feed Teddy the raw in the morning and then at night like I did with his kibble. He's gets 2 1/2 - 3 medallions a meal. |
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yogidiogi

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| 05/22/2008 4:38 PM |
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Gwacie, I was told they digest at different rates, but not why that is a bad thing. I just Googled "kibble and raw at same meal" and came up with a lot of sites though that explained it more. If you've been doing it though and others have successfully as well it's probably fine, I do think there might be some basis of it now that I've googled it though. |
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gwacie

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| 05/22/2008 5:12 PM |
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| I haven't done it tons but yes,it's been ok. I also did some research after Nora's post and I agree it could be problematic, especially with higher carb. content kibbles. I will likely not use that method with future change overs knowing now that there is some risk. |
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gwacie (Bethany) My Doggies: http://www.myadams.net/dogs/ Rescue: http://www.newrattitude.org |
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yogidiogi

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| 05/22/2008 5:52 PM |
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| Oh I totally missed Nora's post, that was explained very well and does make sense. |
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